Just because France and US decided to kill gheddafi, but let's remain on topic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/623514/migrant-arrivals-to-italy/

In 10 years more than a million, and these are the ones we know, and you will agree that many might go undetected.
And this doesn't take into consideration the ones that come in container and are proper human trafficking victims.

I am not xenophobic, I repeat. Immigration should help a country thrive by importing the best and by including and integrating the newcomers, not use them as slaves and cheap labour.
Check who works at tills, check the corner shops where people work in the front and live in a room in the back .
(This "leftist" who somehow talks like Macron put me on ignore lol)

At some point, workers will have to choose between having rights or having jobs. Excessive bureaucracy kills the economy. Most of the economy is run by small and medium-sized businesses. You guys love the billionaire straw man.
Nameless.. When is the last time a social study made you question your vision of the world ?
 
Literally people died for workers rights, are you insane
Are you retarded? I said excessive bureocracy. Workers rights need to be a thing to avoid stuff like slave and children work, but what we have here right now is insanity.
Something about Jesus and loving thy neighbor. Anyway, Billionaires have the divine right to make us wage slaves, so commandeth god.
Work relations are not charity. Who would work 40 hours a week to literally have no financial return by the end of the month? Profit is what keeps businesses running.
 
Work relations are not charity. Who would work 40 hours a week to literally have no financial return by the end of the month? Profit is what keeps businesses running.
Therefore you go as far as to defend wage slavery and outsourcing cuz somehow the workers are unreasonable. At least you don't pretend to be a good Christian who cares for the common good. Jesus would be proud.
 
Are you retarded? I said excessive bureocracy. Workers rights need to be a thing to avoid stuff like slave and children work, but what we have here right now is insanity.

Work relations are not charity. Who would work 40 hours a week to literally have no financial return by the end of the month? Profit is what keeps businesses running.
What we have now is to prevent slavery from existing
 
Just because France and US decided to kill gheddafi, but let's remain on topic.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/623514/migrant-arrivals-to-italy/

In 10 years more than a million, and these are the ones we know, and you will agree that many might go undetected.
And this doesn't take into consideration the ones that come in container and are proper human trafficking victims.

I am not xenophobic, I repeat. Immigration should help a country thrive by importing the best and by including and integrating the newcomers, not use them as slaves and cheap labour.
Check who works at tills, check the corner shops where people work in the front and live in a room in the back .
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So the worker wanting rights are to be replaced by workers that will never complain. Thank you for proving the point.
Your link doesn’t say anything about how NGOs are bringing all of these migrants by their own force
 
Therefore you go as far as to defend wage slavery and outsourcing cuz somehow the workers are unreasonable. At least you don't pretend to be a good Christian who cares for the common good. Jesus would be proud.
No profit, no business. No business, no work. I'm going to flip this to you: Are you in favor of unemployment? Do you want to have an economic environment where the creation of jobs is NOT stimulated? Good intentions can also lead to hell. You left guys have the most BEAUTIFUL and yet IMPRACTICAL ideas. History proves my points. Nobody wants to do business in Brazil. All thanks to our legislation.
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What we have now is to prevent slavery from existing
Down here, what we have now is to prevent PROSPERITY AND CREATE A NATION OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SLAVES TO SOCIAL BENEFITS. Welfare state is the biggest electoral scam of modernity.
Feels like @NAMELESS put me on ignore too.
They can't handle a respectful me

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I have all of you on ignore, but i can't help myself to read this shit from time to time. It's hilarious.
 
Come on herrera, every single billionaire is offshoring all the jobs they can
They still creating jobs but in other countries? Still don't see what's your issue with it?
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I'm still waiting for you to answer me. I demonstrated how this is not possible and asked you something.
As always you make no sense. Be more specific. I already showed you how things happens.
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You should use one of their tech adanvcements like AI to educate yourself. Next time you use ChatGPT, debunk yourself instead of asking for horny comic books pictures. Thanks.
Good point on making no point at all
 
No profit, no business. No business, no work. I'm going to flip this to you: Are you in favor of unemployment? Do you want to have an economic environment where the creation of jobs is NOT stimulated? Good intentions can also lead to hell. You left guys have the most BEAUTIFUL and yet IMPRACTICAL ideas. History proves my points. Nobody wants to do business in Brazil. All thanks to our legislation.
None of this proves your point. Trickledown economics is what got rid of the most prosperous era in America, You'd know this if you actually believed in peer reviewed research, but we all know you don't read. Profit motive undeniably created progress at a certain time, but by all metrics now, its creating economic stagnation for 90% of the people.

You are not educated enough to make a real argument here. You can deny that unions, regulation and wealth distribution is something bad for the economy. But historically speaking, the era of social democracy during and after WW2 was what created the richest economy the world has ever seen.

You're more than welcome to disagree and spout your nonsense. But I think I speak for everyone when I say to please spare us with your false sense of morality. You are an individualistic anarcho-capitalist. Not interested in fair wages and reducing inequality. You believe in the law of the jungle, and you're more than happy to show contempt for those who do care.
 
Without these billionaires, wouldn't smaller businesses, more local, community-based businesses, fill in the void
Society would adapt to the absence of corporate economic monopolization

Also, none of this changes the fact that billionaires shouldn't exist in the first place, and don't even use a fraction of the power they possess to purposely benefit society
 
None of this proves your point. Trickledown economics is what got rid of the most prosperous era in America, You'd know this if you actually believed in peer reviewed research, but we all know you don't read. Profit motive undeniably created progress at a certain time, but by all metrics now, its creating economic stagnation for 90% of the people.

You are not educated enough to make a real argument here. You can deny that unions, regulation and wealth distribution is something bad for the economy. But historically speaking, the era of social democracy during and after WW2 was what created the richest economy the world has ever seen.

You're more than welcome to disagree and spout your nonsense. But I think I speak for everyone when I say to please spare us with your false sense of morality. You are an individualistic anarcho-capitalist. Not interested in fair wages and reducing inequality. You believe in the law of the jungle, and you're more than happy to show contempt for those who do care.
Of course, you can't just have a normal conversation; you have to get on a high horse and pretend you are so much better than me because you care about workers' rights and all that jazz. You say I'm insensitive and egotistical. I don't give a shit what you think of me. I know for a fact both you and logiko are envious narcissists that only believe the shit you say you believe because you hate your position on the social hierarchy. You have admitted to coming in here to bully people in the past. You have also admitted to having narcissistic tendencies. You are an asshole, and you don't make any effort to hide it, so please, do us both a favor and get off this high horse. Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole, but i don't go around pretending i care about shit that i don't for validation. All this virtue signaling makes you look like an attention starved adolescent. You are the last guy in here that should preach to anyone about morals. You do all this preaching to feed your ego. Touch grass and keep going to therapy.
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It's kinda of absurd how they are against offshoring jobs but not against immigrants coming to the country and taking jobs inside there. Like they are totally against technology.
Candle makers bitching about eletricity all over again.
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Without these billionaires, wouldn't smaller businesses, more local, community-based businesses, fill in the void
Society would adapt to the absence of corporate economic monopolization

Also, none of this changes the fact that billionaires shouldn't exist in the first place, and don't even use a fraction of the power they possess to purposely benefit society
Can a small local business provide the necessary logistics to mass produce all the shit we need? NO. There is your answer. Billionaires rich cause they solve complex and big puzzles.
 
None of this proves your point. Trickledown economics is what got rid of the most prosperous era in America, You'd know this if you actually believed in peer reviewed research, but we all know you don't read. Profit motive undeniably created progress at a certain time, but by all metrics now, its creating economic stagnation for 90% of the people.

You are not educated enough to make a real argument here. You can deny that unions, regulation and wealth distribution is something bad for the economy. But historically speaking, the era of social democracy during and after WW2 was what created the richest economy the world has ever seen.

You're more than welcome to disagree and spout your nonsense. But I think I speak for everyone when I say to please spare us with your false sense of morality. You are an individualistic anarcho-capitalist. Not interested in fair wages and reducing inequality. You believe in the law of the jungle, and you're more than happy to show contempt for those who do care.
By the way, Europeans only really made a big comeback thnx to American money. Gtfo here with social democracy is what caused prosperity. Correlation isn't causation. Social democracy arises after prosperity. If all of you were dead broke, none would talk about giving your hard-earned money to someone else. If social democracy were the secret to development and prosperity, Latin America wouldn't have a single third-world nation.
 
Of course, you can't just have a normal conversation; you have to get on a high horse and pretend you are so much better than me because you care about workers' rights and all that jazz. You say I'm insensitive and egotistical. I don't give a shit what you think of me. I know for a fact both you and logiko are envious narcissists that only believe the shit you say you believe because you hate your position on the social hierarchy. You have admitted to coming in here to bully people in the past. You have also admitted to having narcissistic tendencies. You are an asshole, and you don't make any effort to hide it, so please, do us both a favor and get off this high horse. Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole, but i don't go around pretending i care about shit that i don't for validation. All this virtue signaling makes you look like an attention starved adolescent. You are the last guy in here that should preach to anyone about morals. You do all this preaching to feed your ego. Touch grass and keep going to therapy.
I don't need validation from a bunch of strangers in a forum, more than half the forum wouldn't agree with me and my way of thinking in the first place. It's easy for you to dismiss people who actually feel outrage against those who abuse power because you are incapable of feeling empathy for others in the first place.

But if I am being totally honest, you do care what I think. Because you can't help but get immensely triggered every time I call you out. You are the one who seeks validation, but you're unwilling to do any sort of real introspection. You've somehow deluded yourself into thinking you're part of the owner class, and you use you're half assed faith as a way to connect with other chuds on a cultural level. That's why I find you massively contemptible. You believe in power and excuse your selfishness by accusing others of being as sociopathic as you are. I don't pretend to be a bastion of morality, I simply say what I think as I always have, regardless of the opinions of chuds or the tankies to my left.
 
By the way, Europeans only really made a big comeback thnx to American money. Gtfo here with social democracy is what caused prosperity. Correlation isn't causation. Social democracy arises after prosperity. If all of you were dead broke, none would talk about giving your hard-earned money to someone else. If social democracy were the secret to development and prosperity, Latin America wouldn't have a single third-world nation.
They always forget about France for example putting taxes at super rich and then removing when seeing the governament earnings lowering because of it.

That's why they are coming up with that bullshit of taxes no matter if the people leave their country and no matter when they do it.
 
They always forget about France for example putting taxes at super rich and then removing when seeing the governament earnings lowering because of it.
No lol. They removed it because they're fanatics who ride the cock of trickle down economics. It's an ideological decision that wants to make the rich way richer.

That's why they are coming up with that bullshit of taxes no matter if the people leave their country and no matter when they do it.
You mean like the US does ?
 
Of course, you can't just have a normal conversation; you have to get on a high horse and pretend you are so much better than me because you care about workers' rights and all that jazz. You say I'm insensitive and egotistical. I don't give a shit what you think of me. I know for a fact both you and logiko are envious narcissists that only believe the shit you say you believe because you hate your position on the social hierarchy. You have admitted to coming in here to bully people in the past. You have also admitted to having narcissistic tendencies. You are an asshole, and you don't make any effort to hide it, so please, do us both a favor and get off this high horse. Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole, but i don't go around pretending i care about shit that i don't for validation. All this virtue signaling makes you look like an attention starved adolescent. You are the last guy in here that should preach to anyone about morals. You do all this preaching to feed your ego. Touch grass and keep going to therapy.
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Candle makers bitching about eletricity all over again.
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Can a small local business provide the necessary logistics to mass produce all the shit we need? NO. There is your answer. Billionaires rich cause they solve complex and big puzzles.
Maybe you should question the necessity of a great deal of that which is mass produced.

Besides, you don't need billionaires to have entities capable of mass production.
 
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