Controversial General Political Discussion

[HerreraIsBack]

From post-WW2 to the 1980s there was no job on earth and no baby boom either because there weren't enough billionaires

Worst era of human history

NEVER AGAIN.​

People from Soviet Union agree with that

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Of course, you can't just have a normal conversation; you have to get on a high horse and pretend you are so much better than me because you care about workers' rights and all that jazz. You say I'm insensitive and egotistical. I don't give a shit what you think of me. I know for a fact both you and logiko are envious narcissists that only believe the shit you say you believe because you hate your position on the social hierarchy. You have admitted to coming in here to bully people in the past. You have also admitted to having narcissistic tendencies. You are an asshole, and you don't make any effort to hide it, so please, do us both a favor and get off this high horse. Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole, but i don't go around pretending i care about shit that i don't for validation. All this virtue signaling makes you look like an attention starved adolescent. You are the last guy in here that should preach to anyone about morals. You do all this preaching to feed your ego. Touch grass and keep going to therapy.

I don't need validation from a bunch of strangers in a forum, more than half the forum wouldn't agree with me and my way of thinking in the first place. It's easy for you to dismiss people who actually feel outrage against those who abuse power because you are incapable of feeling empathy for others in the first place.

But if I am being totally honest, you do care what I think. Because you can't help but get immensely triggered every time I call you out. You are the one who seeks validation, but you're unwilling to do any sort of real introspection. You've somehow deluded yourself into thinking you're part of the owner class, and you use you're half assed faith as a way to connect with other chuds on a cultural level. That's why I find you massively contemptible. You believe in power and excuse your selfishness by accusing others of being as sociopathic as you are. I don't pretend to be a bastion of morality, I simply say what I think as I always have, regardless of the opinions of chuds or the tankies to my left.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

By the way, Europeans only really made a big comeback thnx to American money. Gtfo here with social democracy is what caused prosperity. Correlation isn't causation. Social democracy arises after prosperity. If all of you were dead broke, none would talk about giving your hard-earned money to someone else. If social democracy were the secret to development and prosperity, Latin America wouldn't have a single third-world nation.

They always forget about France for example putting taxes at super rich and then removing when seeing the governament earnings lowering because of it.

That's why they are coming up with that bullshit of taxes no matter if the people leave their country and no matter when they do it.

 

[Mathias]

They always forget about France for example putting taxes at super rich and then removing when seeing the governament earnings lowering because of it.

No lol. They removed it because they're fanatics who ride the cock of trickle down economics. It's an ideological decision that wants to make the rich way richer.

That's why they are coming up with that bullshit of taxes no matter if the people leave their country and no matter when they do it.

You mean like the US does ?

 

[ClovenHoofClown]

Of course, you can't just have a normal conversation; you have to get on a high horse and pretend you are so much better than me because you care about workers' rights and all that jazz. You say I'm insensitive and egotistical. I don't give a shit what you think of me. I know for a fact both you and logiko are envious narcissists that only believe the shit you say you believe because you hate your position on the social hierarchy. You have admitted to coming in here to bully people in the past. You have also admitted to having narcissistic tendencies. You are an asshole, and you don't make any effort to hide it, so please, do us both a favor and get off this high horse. Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole, but i don't go around pretending i care about shit that i don't for validation. All this virtue signaling makes you look like an attention starved adolescent. You are the last guy in here that should preach to anyone about morals. You do all this preaching to feed your ego. Touch grass and keep going to therapy.
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Candle makers bitching about eletricity all over again.
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Can a small local business provide the necessary logistics to mass produce all the shit we need? NO. There is your answer. Billionaires rich cause they solve complex and big puzzles.

Maybe you should question the necessity of a great deal of that which is mass produced.

Besides, you don't need billionaires to have entities capable of mass production.

 

[Logiko]

@HerreraIsBack

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I will not talk about all the magic thinking about technology you are displaying to solve all your problems in your system, I wanna concentrate on the real stuff: You are talking about the fact that I lack nuance. Why not. And to explain that you are invoking the fact that the world is is not only about being rich, it's about wealth, knowledge, informations or even luck.

This is good, because you are talking here about something scientifics call "capitals", without entering in the detail right now (it's will be for another discussion I think) Capitals are composed of different factors that are economic, social and cultural. And you are right in the sense that those capitals are what push us toward wealth and health and overall a potential happyness

Now, here comes my interrogation:

No matter how lucky or knowledgeable you are in your world, one's financial wealth will ALWAYS get first access to ressources and technologies, and will always remain the main potential gatekeeper. As long as someone can block access to key resources, you cannot compete with an absolute monopoly, no matter if it’s a city block wide or the size of an entire galaxy !

All the luck or knowledge in the world doesn’t change that. Your system is still black and white: there are those who get there first, and everyone else.

As such... If financial wealth always allow the controls and access of key ressources and key assets & can allow people to create infinite needs and robotic or human exploitation, how do you prevent someone from monopolizing everything and thus perpetuating a cycle of inequalities ?

Also :
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People from Soviet Union agree with that

UNICEF and IRC estimated an certain number of victim due to the introduction of capitalism and a "Choc Therapy" in URSS.
Do you want to know the number ?

@NAMELESS , are you really aware of the difference between 1 Million and 1 Billion ?

 

[Mathias]

You are an asshole, (...) Don't get me wrong, i'm also an asshole

Politics thread in a nutshell

 

[Logiko]

Politics thread in a nutshell

 

[ClovenHoofClown]

Excluding here, I've only had one short conversation with someone other than my parents in the last 7 days. I love you
assholes. Could be a bit more toxic though.

 

[Mathias]

Excluding here, I've only had one short conversation with someone other than my parents in the last 7 days. I love you
assholes. Could be a bit more toxic though.

Join an NGO and make sure hundreds of thousands cross the border in the good direction. You'll make lots of friends.

Great adventure time guaranteed
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To be serious. Social exclusion is serious. Joining an orgnaziation is always nice. Wether it's sports or citizen stuff or whatever.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't need validation from a bunch of strangers in a forum, more than half the forum wouldn't agree with me and my way of thinking in the first place. It's easy for you to dismiss people who actually feel outrage against those who abuse power because you are incapable of feeling empathy for others in the first place.

But if I am being totally honest, you do care what I think. Because you can't help but get immensely triggered every time I call you out. You are the one who seeks validation, but you're unwilling to do any sort of real introspection. You've somehow deluded yourself into thinking you're part of the owner class, and you use you're half assed faith as a way to connect with other chuds on a cultural level. That's why I find you massively contemptible. You believe in power and excuse your selfishness by accusing others of being as sociopathic as you are. I don't pretend to be a bastion of morality, I simply say what I think as I always have, regardless of the opinions of chuds or the tankies to my left.

Wrong, I always answer because I like the back and forth. I'm simply bored. I keep forgetting you are a tsundere. Connect with people on a cultural level? LOL I was an atheist for about 8 years because of the behavior of religious people. I'm Catholic despite other people, not because of them. You have the bad habit of pretending to know me. I hear it's characteristic of narcissistic people to gaslight people. I don't believe in power. I believe in freedom. It's the left that preaches for government-sponsored solutions to every human problem.
You are really projecting here. No, bro, you are not totally honest. In fact, you're pretty fucking dishonest. You accused me of believing and saying shit I never did multiple times. You fit people in this little picture that you created in your mind. You are pretty prejudiced actually. Also, take your own advice; do some introspection. You don't feel outrage. What you feel is hate for people that do not have a narrow and sick mind like yours. I have never seen you approach someone with a diverging thought in here with actual education and manners. You always resort to insults. In these rants, you denounce that you hate a certain stereotype of political and religious thought. You are just a hateful man. @Blax Blah This guy here has takes that make my blood boil, yet I make an effort to try to be respectful to him because he speaks with education and never really tried to insult me. I, on the other hand, have been disrespectful to him because I get angry when I talk about politics. Difference between you and me? I do introspection. I recognize my mistakes and try to amend them when necessary. You don't care about any of that. You are just rotten to the core.

 

[Logiko]

To be serious. Social exclusion is serious.

this

 

[HerreraIsBack]

No lol. They removed it because they're fanatics who ride the cock of trickle down economics. It's an ideological decision that wants to make the rich way richer.



You mean like the US does ?

Yup like US does. And it is ridiculous.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/15/AR2006071501010.html

Stop denying reality. Politicians wouldn't be to bad at taxation if they just focused on income tax as the only tax.
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@HerreraIsBack

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Also :
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UNICEF and IRC estimated an certain number of victim due to the introduction of capitalism and a "Choc Therapy" in URSS.
Do you want to know the number ?

@NAMELESS , are you really aware of the difference between 1 Million and 1 Billion ?

I already answered about that. Go search it.

Numbers of victims in the introduction of capitalism? Wtf this means? Go ahead spill whatever you want. Soviet Union broke for a reason. And people don't ever want to come back to that economic politic. Including current Russia. Not even China is economical communist.

 

[NAMELESS]

Join an NGO and make sure hundreds of thousands cross the border in the good direction. You'll make lots of friends.

Great adventure time guaranteed
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To be serious. Social exclusion is serious. Joining an orgnaziation is always nice. Wether it's sports or citizen stuff or whatever.

That is actually great advice. Charity work is good for people that feel alone.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

That is actually great advice. Charity work is good for people that feel alone.

I can definitely vouch for that. I've done charity work for years.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Wrong, I always answer because I like the back and forth. I'm simply bored. I keep forgetting you are a tsundere. Connect with people on a cultural level? LOL I was an atheist for about 8 years because of the behavior of religious people. I'm Catholic despite other people, not because of them. You have the bad habit of pretending to know me. I hear it's characteristic of narcissistic people to gaslight people. I don't believe in power. I believe in freedom. It's the left that preaches for government-sponsored solutions to every human problem.
You are really projecting here. No, bro, you are not totally honest. In fact, you're pretty fucking dishonest. You accused me of believing and saying shit I never did multiple times. You fit people in this little picture that you created in your mind. You are pretty prejudiced actually. Also, take your own advice; do some introspection. You don't feel outrage. What you feel is hate for people that do not have a narrow and sick mind like yours. I have never seen you approach someone with a diverging thought in here with actual education and manners. You always resort to insults. In these rants, you denounce that you hate a certain stereotype of political and religious thought. You are just a hateful man. @Blax Blah This guy here has takes that make my blood boil, yet I make an effort to try to be respectful to him because he speaks with education and never really tried to insult me. I, on the other hand, have been disrespectful to him because I get angry when I talk about politics. Difference between you and me? I do introspection. I recognize my mistakes and try to amend them when necessary. You don't care about any of that. You are just rotten to the core.

I don't recall being as insulting and disrespectful as I've been in the past. I use sharp words. In my first post I simply pointed out the contradiction of your worldview.

I do hold contempt for you and others, but I do try to have respectful convos with people I disagree with, such as Logiko and the Gaimon guy. But it does get heated from time to time. But how do you expect me to hold any sort of respect for a guy like you, who has displayed sociopahtic behavior in more than one occasion? Or Lerrera who is a straight up pedophile? Am I supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya with people like you?

I'll keep it as civil as I can possibly be, but I don't owe you any sort of apology. I don't respect the way you see other people, the way you think you can hash it as much as you want but simultaneously being the biggest pearl clutcher in this thread, or how you use chatgpt to try to win arguments.

 

[NAMELESS]

Maybe you should question the necessity of a great deal of that which is mass produced.

Besides, you don't need billionaires to have entities capable of mass production.

All private entities that mass produce will inevitably become millionaires and billionaires, even governmental agents. You guys hate on billionaires too much. There is no billionaire that makes trillions every year, and yet multiple governments earn that much every year due to taxes.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I don't recall being as insulting and disrespectful as I've been in the past. I use sharp words. In my first post I simply pointed out the contradiction of your worldview.

I do hold contempt for you and others, but I do try to have respectful convos with people I disagree with, such as Logiko and the Gaimon guy. But it does get heated from time to time. But how do you expect me to hold any sort of respect for people like you who has displayed sociopahtic behavior in more than one occasion? Or Lerrera who is a straight up pedophile? Am I supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya with people like you?

I'll keep it as civil as I can possibly be, but I don't owe you any sort of apology. I don't respect the way you see other people, the way you think you can hash it as much as you want but simultaneously being the biggest pearl clutcher in this thread.

Don't you ever fucking put me in the same phrase as C4N.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't recall being as insulting and disrespectful as I've been in the past. I use sharp words. In my first post I simply pointed out the contradiction of your worldview.

I do hold contempt for you and others, but I do try to have respectful convos with people I disagree with, such as Logiko and the Gaimon guy. But it does get heated from time to time. But how do you expect me to hold any sort of respect for a guy like you, who has displayed sociopahtic behavior in more than one occasion? Or Lerrera who is a straight up pedophile? Am I supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya with people like you?

I'll keep it as civil as I can possibly be, but I don't owe you any sort of apology. I don't respect the way you see other people, the way you think you can hash it as much as you want but simultaneously being the biggest pearl clutcher in this thread, or how you use chatgpt to try to win arguments.

Oh sorry, I apologize if you think I was expecting an apology or education from you. No, that wasn't it. I was just pointing out that you do what you do because you are a hateful narcissist. And you should not be accusing people of being sociopaths because you are probably one too, Mr. I-bully-people-online-to-vent-about-my-sad-life.
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Don't you ever fucking put me in the same phrase as C4N.

C4N being used as an insult from everyone on both sides of the political spectrum is fucking gold

 

[Ravagerblade]

Oh sorry, I apologize if you think I was expecting an apology or education from you. No, that wasn't it. I was just pointing out that you do what you do because you are a hateful narcissist. And you should not be accusing people of being sociopaths because you are probably one too, Mr. I-bully-people-online-to-vent-about-my-sad-life.

If only I could believe a word he says.