Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

I’m just stunned to see someone call THE FUCKING CEO OF FOX NEWS a leftist, how does he expect anyone to take him seriously after saying something that wildly off base?? Christ, I know coma patients with more brain activity!!

Adolf Hitler gets called a leftist. What did you expect lol

 

[RyoQ]

And Antifa are not dead, they are not a group, this is a movement. Antifa means antifascism. As long as you fight fascism, you can be antifa. I, for ex, am Antifa.

I'm sure you felt very smart reiterating that. "Anyone who is anti fascist is Antifa!!".

Like if I asked my boomer uncle on the street "Do you support fascism" he would say "No, I'm Antifa"


It's funny how dumb you are

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Adolf Hitler gets called a leftist. What did you expect lol

You can expect heart disease if you eat a lot of red meat, but that doesn’t stop people from being surprised when they go into cardiac arrest after a Burger King run…even knowing what utter tripe Herrera has puked up in the past, that is still comically deluded

 

[Mathias]

You can judge whether I am arrogant or not, but if I made up some lies about Nietzsche, and you debunked them, is that you being arrogant?

I didn't say arrogance because you feel like you debunked philosophers' anti-christian thoughts.
I said arrogant because you said philosophers are garbage tier and that they basically all look stupid.

 

[Zenos7]

Like @RyoQ @NAMELESS if you may not know this, I didn't know it either, antifa just means anti-fascist, and you can look into the history of the fights between antifa and Hitler's supporters


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion


"Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [ˌantifaˈʃɪstɪʃə ʔakˈtsi̯oːn], lit. 'Anti-fascist Action') was a communist militant organisation in the Weimar Republic, founded and controlled by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD).[1][2] Antifaschistische Aktion opposed anti-Nazi resistance efforts by moderate parties, such as the Eiserne Front, which included the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold and others,[3] and pro-Nazi paramilitary forces, like the Sturmabteilung (SA).[4] The group strongly opposed the Social Democratic Party of Germany and sought to establish a council republic in Germany. "

you literally posted how it actually means "antifascist action" though?

 

[Logiko]

Via definiton and ideological differences, it is impossible for the far left and the far fight to be the same. The 1:1 comparison stems from the actions of dictators, and only compares actions within the context of body count.

The left taken to the extreme means to bring equality by any means necessary. The right taken to the extreme always results in the subjugation and/or annihilation of whole populations of people.

Think of murdering a hate group to prevent more horrible crimes from them vs murdering a group of people for their skin color

I completely agree

This horseshoe theory is a big problem that prevents people from really politicizing (and people like Macron use it very well to prevent anyone getting out of their own proximity). If Staline was raising today, the left would literally trash on the guy every single day of the week.

I'm sure you felt very smart reiterating that. "Anyone who is anti fascist is Antifa!!".

What do you want me to say? It's literally in the name

It's funny how dumb you are

It's dumb to say "if you fight fascism, you are antifa" ?

Like I said... I don't know what you guyz are smokin in this thread but damn, that's not regular grass

 

[RyoQ]

It's dumb to say "if you fight fascism, you are antifa" ?

Like I said... I don't know what you guyz are smokin in this thread but damn, that's not regular grass

"So here's why we aren't a movement"

 

[Logiko]

"So here's why we aren't a movement"

Antifa are a movement.
What are you trying to say dude?

 

[Zenos7]

"So here's why we aren't a movement"

Antifa are a movement.
What are you trying to say dude?

i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.

 

[Logiko]

i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.

Antifa (as in antifascists) is a spectrum.
Antifa is a decentrilized movement and not one group. As such it's an idea and a mode of action first. If you simply say "I'm against fascism but never really active about it or if you have reactionnary biases like many rightists", yeah, you are not really following the movement. That's why antifa who use this symbols are leftists.

But if you do some activist work, or try to counter antifascist rethoric, you are an antifa in essence. Weither you wear the symbols or not.

Antifa is not about socialism or anarchism, it's fighting fascism through leftism.

 

[Uncle Van]

i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.

Tbf, Antifa is just a radical political movement. There are different groups within the movement, with different methods driving them. Some seek to fight facism via socialism, communism, anarchism, and/or Marxism. Some simply seek to weaken capitalism.

 

[RyoQ]

Antifa (as in antifascists) is a spectrum.
Antifa is a decentrilized movement and not one group. As such it's an idea and a mode of action first. If you simply say "I'm against fascism but never really active about it or if you have reactionnary biases like many rightists", yeah, you are not really following the movement. That's why antifa who use this symbols are leftists.

But if you do some activist work, or try to counter antifascist rethoric, you are an antifa in essence. Weither you wear the symbols or not.

Antifa is not about socialism or anarchism, it's fighting fascism through leftism.

Yes, I agree Antifa is specifically a movement about fighting fascism via leftism.

Thus my point about not everyone against fascism = being Antifa because there are many people that are not left-wing but still are against fascism

 

[Logiko]

Yes, I agree Antifa is specifically a movement about fighting fascism via leftism.

Thus my point about not everyone against fascism = being Antifa because there are many people that are not left-wing but still are against fascism

Being antifscist means acting against fascism not just being against fascism. It is the reason why it's a leftist movement an not a rightist one.

People who the right who say "I'm against fascism", usually share reactionnary values that helps fascism. Hence why being antifascist and therefore antifa, is a radical leftist thing to do, and not a rightist or depoliticized leftist one.

 

[RyoQ]

People who the right who say "I'm against fascism", usually share reactionnary values that helps fascism.

"Everyone who isn't a leftist is a fascist"

 

[Logiko]

"Everyone who isn't a leftist is a fascist"

Well if you say so, but that's not what I'm saying here.

 

[RyoQ]

Well if you say so, but that's not what I'm saying here.

You're saying someone can't be right wing or not-left but be anti-fascist

 

[HerreraIsBack]

First. You shared a teacher, I'm still waiting for you to share a scientist.
Second, I didn't disagree with everything he said. Like I said, you would benefit from listening to him a little bit more. But the guy has biases, like most historian centrists leaning on the side of the horseshoe theory.

If you want a scientist, I can give you one. Like I explained, the horseshoe theory is a baseless theory just like it is baseless to explain that nazism is leftism as it's an invizibilization that fascism fought leftism and leftism value. Like I said, go look for Nazism experts. And not those who are explaining that the right and the left are the same things because I won't give them any credits.

Every teacher is a scientist.

And sure you are the only person in world without any biases.

 

[Uncle Van]

You can be right wing and against facism. To oversimplify, since Facism is a far right ideology, being right wing is to only address the symptoms. Leftism is what tackles the source.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://franknez.com/gop-member-now-faces-100-years-for-distributing-child-sexual-abuse-material/
At this point, it really is easier to count the number of Republican politicians who *AREN’T* child predators…they should all be presumed guilty until proven innocent

 

[Zenos7]

Antifa (as in antifascists) is a spectrum.
Antifa is a decentrilized movement and not one group. As such it's an idea and a mode of action first. If you simply say "I'm against fascism but never really active about it or if you have reactionnary biases like many rightists", yeah, you are not really following the movement. That's why antifa who use this symbols are leftists.

But if you do some activist work, or try to counter antifascist rethoric, you are an antifa in essence. Weither you wear the symbols or not.

Antifa is not about socialism or anarchism, it's fighting fascism through leftism.

Tbf, Antifa is just a radical political movement. There are different groups within the movement, with different methods driving them. Some seek to fight facism via socialism, communism, anarchism, and/or Marxism. Some simply seek to weaken capitalism.

im well aware that there are multiple diverse groups that consider themselves antifa. and due to that the symbols might actually differ as well (which color of the flags is more pronounced for example)

fun fact: the initial movement used 2 red flags as their symbol

Antifa (as in antifascists)

yeah but thats still not what antifa stands for