Claim everything you disagree with is not supported by science and scientists. See the scientists explaining why the science is against your believes. Proceeds to keep disagreeing with it anyway.

Fantastic Logiko.
First. You shared a teacher, I'm still waiting for you to share a scientist.
Second, I didn't disagree with everything he said. Like I said, you would benefit from listening to him a little bit more. But the guy has biases, like most historian centrists leaning on the side of the horseshoe theory.

If you want a scientist, I can give you one. Like I explained, the horseshoe theory is a baseless theory just like it is baseless to explain that nazism is leftism as it's an invizibilization that fascism fought leftism and leftism value. Like I said, go look for Nazism experts. And not those who are explaining that the right and the left are the same things because I won't give them any credits.


I also know they are violent,
Violence is not necessarily unethical or illegitimate.

In the case of antifa. The violence is completely legitimated.

And Antifa are not dead, they are not a group, this is a movement. Antifa means antifascism. As long as you fight fascism, you can be antifa. I, for ex, am Antifa.


THis completely invisibilized how much they actually participated in that massacre.

But you don't care about that. Truth is not something you seek. You prefer to insibilize a genocide.

I mean, he did use the Death Star as an example of "the end justifies the means" implying that he doesn't care about Hamas's actions as long as he views these cause as "right"
The point was to show you the importance of context and the fact framing and ethics are two very different things. I don't think you would try to explain how the rebellion is a terrorist organization, right ? ANd yet, they murdered million of people by destroying the death start.

So what does this means? Well for one it doesn't means that the end justify the mean. It means that in this CONTEXT, this was the only solution to stop a genocide.

So when you are framing the hamas as a terrorist organization, you adopt the oppressor's rethoric. Not the ethical one.

Did hamas Went to far and perpetuated a war crime that was absolutely not necessary ? YES.
Did this make them a terrorist organization ? NO

Hamas, just like the french resistance or the rebels in Star wars are a group of resistance. They are not perfect, in fact no resistance group in the world is perfect or pure. The french resistance made war crimes, they did bad stuff, but they were still fighting for their country. Now, does this means that Hamas must go once the country is liberated ? (which will need more than a recognition of Palestine)

Not necessarily. But it's not for us, westerners and outside agent to decide.


They never wanted freedom of speech

They want freedom to silence those they hate.

They want to own slaves and silence those enslaved peoples with courts, prisons, torture, and death.
Yup, they never cared about freedom of speech. They always had it and we were always silenced.

The "woke are controlling the media" was a self projection


They were all leftists not long ago. Since when Zuckerberg changed? I don't know that Ellison or Murdochs.
Lmao. Billionaires being leftists ?

I want what you are smokin

:Luffy_Roll:
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
Lmao. Billionaires being leftists ?

I want what you are smokin
Zuckerberg has done nothing but donate to Republicans and mainstream Democrats, nobody more than an inch left of center
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=mark+zuckerberg
Ellison has also donated almost exclusively to conservatives and their causes
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Lawrence+ellison&order=asc&page=5&sort=A
And the Murdochs have been running Fox News for over three decades, it takes a true smooth brain to accuse them of being anything but the Republican propaganda machine’s biggest and most vital cog :seriously:
 
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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
If you want a scientist, I can give you one. Like I explained, the horseshoe theory is a baseless theory just like it is baseless to explain that nazism is leftism as it's an invizibilization that fascism fought leftism and leftism value. Like I said, go look for Nazism experts. And not those who are explaining that the right and the left are the same things because I won't give them any credits.
Via definiton and ideological differences, it is impossible for the far left and the far fight to be the same. The 1:1 comparison stems from the actions of dictators, and only compares actions within the context of body count.

The left taken to the extreme means to bring equality by any means necessary. The right taken to the extreme always results in the subjugation and/or annihilation of whole populations of people.

Think of murdering a hate group to prevent more horrible crimes from them vs murdering a group of people for their skin color
 
Ngl

D4vd should be executed. He’s the exact type of dude the death penalty was meant for.

He’s going to get brutally murdered in prison. Not every pedo or child killer does, but d4vd is a very public figure and his case is high profile.

He would legitimately be better off if they just executed him
 
Zuckerberg has done nothing but donate to Republicans and mainstream Democrats, nobody more than an inch left of center
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=mark+zuckerberg
Ellison has also donated almost exclusively to conservatives and their causes
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Lawrence+ellison&order=asc&page=5&sort=A
And the Murdochs have been running Fox News for over three decades, it takes a true smooth brain to accuse them of being anything but the Republican propaganda machine’s biggest and most vital cog :seriously:
I swear, when I tell them that I don't listen nor read media outlets owned by billlionaires but only independent journalists.

They just fucking implode from within.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
I swear, when I tell them that I don't listen nor read media outlets owned by billlionaires but only independent journalists.

They just fucking implode from within.
I’m just stunned to see someone call THE FUCKING CEO OF FOX NEWS a leftist, how does he expect anyone to take him seriously after saying something that wildly off base?? Christ, I know coma patients with more brain activity!! :nicagesmile:
 
And Antifa are not dead, they are not a group, this is a movement. Antifa means antifascism. As long as you fight fascism, you can be antifa. I, for ex, am Antifa.
I'm sure you felt very smart reiterating that. "Anyone who is anti fascist is Antifa!!".

Like if I asked my boomer uncle on the street "Do you support fascism" he would say "No, I'm Antifa"
:lulz::lulz::lulz:

It's funny how dumb you are
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
Adolf Hitler gets called a leftist. What did you expect lol
You can expect heart disease if you eat a lot of red meat, but that doesn’t stop people from being surprised when they go into cardiac arrest after a Burger King run…even knowing what utter tripe Herrera has puked up in the past, that is still comically deluded :kaidowhat:
 
You can judge whether I am arrogant or not, but if I made up some lies about Nietzsche, and you debunked them, is that you being arrogant?
I didn't say arrogance because you feel like you debunked philosophers' anti-christian thoughts.
I said arrogant because you said philosophers are garbage tier and that they basically all look stupid.
 
Like @RyoQ @NAMELESS if you may not know this, I didn't know it either, antifa just means anti-fascist, and you can look into the history of the fights between antifa and Hitler's supporters


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion


"Antifaschistische Aktion (German: [ˌantifaˈʃɪstɪʃə ʔakˈtsi̯oːn], lit. 'Anti-fascist Action') was a communist militant organisation in the Weimar Republic, founded and controlled by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD).[1][2] Antifaschistische Aktion opposed anti-Nazi resistance efforts by moderate parties, such as the Eiserne Front, which included the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold and others,[3] and pro-Nazi paramilitary forces, like the Sturmabteilung (SA).[4] The group strongly opposed the Social Democratic Party of Germany and sought to establish a council republic in Germany. "
you literally posted how it actually means "antifascist action" though?
 
Via definiton and ideological differences, it is impossible for the far left and the far fight to be the same. The 1:1 comparison stems from the actions of dictators, and only compares actions within the context of body count.

The left taken to the extreme means to bring equality by any means necessary. The right taken to the extreme always results in the subjugation and/or annihilation of whole populations of people.

Think of murdering a hate group to prevent more horrible crimes from them vs murdering a group of people for their skin color
I completely agree

This horseshoe theory is a big problem that prevents people from really politicizing (and people like Macron use it very well to prevent anyone getting out of their own proximity). If Staline was raising today, the left would literally trash on the guy every single day of the week.


I'm sure you felt very smart reiterating that. "Anyone who is anti fascist is Antifa!!".
What do you want me to say? It's literally in the name

:usoprice:


It's funny how dumb you are
It's dumb to say "if you fight fascism, you are antifa" ?

Like I said... I don't know what you guyz are smokin in this thread but damn, that's not regular grass


:Luffy_Pass:
 
"So here's why we aren't a movement"
Antifa are a movement.
What are you trying to say dude?

:suresure:
i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.
 
i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.
Antifa (as in antifascists) is a spectrum.
Antifa is a decentrilized movement and not one group. As such it's an idea and a mode of action first. If you simply say "I'm against fascism but never really active about it or if you have reactionnary biases like many rightists", yeah, you are not really following the movement. That's why antifa who use this symbols are leftists.

But if you do some activist work, or try to counter antifascist rethoric, you are an antifa in essence. Weither you wear the symbols or not.

Antifa is not about socialism or anarchism, it's fighting fascism through leftism.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
i guess he is saying that the statement "antifa = antifascism/antifascist" is an oversimplification of the political movement "antifascist action" (Antifaschistische Aktion) , showing their logo where the flags represent anarchy and socialism each. And since not everyone who is against fascism is in favor of anarchy and/or socialism, not every antifascist is necessarily antifa.
Tbf, Antifa is just a radical political movement. There are different groups within the movement, with different methods driving them. Some seek to fight facism via socialism, communism, anarchism, and/or Marxism. Some simply seek to weaken capitalism.
 
Antifa (as in antifascists) is a spectrum.
Antifa is a decentrilized movement and not one group. As such it's an idea and a mode of action first. If you simply say "I'm against fascism but never really active about it or if you have reactionnary biases like many rightists", yeah, you are not really following the movement. That's why antifa who use this symbols are leftists.

But if you do some activist work, or try to counter antifascist rethoric, you are an antifa in essence. Weither you wear the symbols or not.

Antifa is not about socialism or anarchism, it's fighting fascism through leftism.
Yes, I agree Antifa is specifically a movement about fighting fascism via leftism.

Thus my point about not everyone against fascism = being Antifa because there are many people that are not left-wing but still are against fascism
 
Yes, I agree Antifa is specifically a movement about fighting fascism via leftism.

Thus my point about not everyone against fascism = being Antifa because there are many people that are not left-wing but still are against fascism
Being antifscist means acting against fascism not just being against fascism. It is the reason why it's a leftist movement an not a rightist one.

People who the right who say "I'm against fascism", usually share reactionnary values that helps fascism. Hence why being antifascist and therefore antifa, is a radical leftist thing to do, and not a rightist or depoliticized leftist one.
 
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