Controversial General Political Discussion

[RyoQ]

i mean its not really that far off the loopholes you yourself presented lol. im just messing with the absurdity of it all

They aren't loopholes though.

Males and females can engage in sexual acts that culminate in copulation, that is the definition of foreplay, people of the same-sex cannot by definition.

Observing this definition, not only can homosexuals not engage in things like "foreplay", they cannot have sex at all (unless you would count things like masturbation as sex -- it is not lol. Gay sex is really just masturbation, not "sex".)

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Imagine hating gay people so much you get online and argue people down on how they shouldn't have rights from dusk to dawn
Even I eventually just tapped out because I had more important priorities

no, the argument got too complex and you tapped out

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

They aren't loopholes though.

Males and females can engage in sexual acts that culminate in copulation, that is the definition of foreplay, people of the same-sex cannot by definition.

Observing this definition, not only can homosexuals not engage in things like "foreplay", they cannot have sex at all (unless you would count things like masturbation as sex -- it is not lol. Gay sex is really just masturbation, not "sex".)

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no, the argument got too complex and you tapped out

Bro you literally said gay people hurt people more than cigarettes do. I mean we all know I love to argue but I can only argue with idiots so much until I gotta forfeit lol

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Imagine hating gay people so much you get online and argue people down on how they shouldn't have rights from dusk to dawn to dusk once again
Even I eventually just tapped out because I had more important priorities

Like I said, no reason to even respond to such heinously disgusting rhetoric, so why waste your time and energy?? His shit speaks for itself, nothing you can say will make him look like a bigger asshole than he’s already doing himself

 

[RyoQ]

Bro you literally said gay people hurt people more than cigarettes do. I mean we all know I love to argue but I can only argue with idiots so much until I gotta forfeit lol

That's not what I said.

I said corrupting morals is worse than having cigarettes being legal

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Like I said, no reason to even respond to such heinously disgusting rhetoric, so why waste your time and energy?? His shit speaks for itself, nothing you can say will make him look like a bigger asshole than he’s already doing himself

Best part is how he didn't need to say ANY of this at all. Just like he never had to imply that he's a nazi or "that he would be viewed as one" by people here.
Some people really need to keep their skeletons in the closet

 

[Logiko]

@Uncle Van I hope you understand the level of violence that someone from the LGBTQI+ community would have to face by reading this thread.

I have to stop replying to this guy's hatefull rethoric if I want to stop him from spreading hate.



Please.

@RyoQ
Stop talking about things you do not understand.

Ask genuine and sincere question aimed to understand or shut it.

You are LUCKY that I'm not a mod here.

Lying is always wrong

If I were hidding jews in my basement during the Nazi occupation in France and if I told to the Gestapo that I was not hidding jews.. Trust me, it wouldn't be wrong to lie here.

Context matter. That's why you need to stop looking at morality and look at ethics.

An innocent man being executed isn't good or bad ya'll


Holy shit you're crazy

Did you read this ? Or did you just ignore the entire things because it was too hard to understand ?

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> If you take a close system representing a normal society with normal basic behavior (rproduction, work, happyness etc.

> An experience on multiple tic

> You then add a random score from 1 to 10 to each person

> When the score is higher than a certain threashold, the person kill someone close, if not there is no kill.

> Look at the result, note the data and inscrease the threashold (for ex, you go from a 7 to a 9.99 to represent the absolute disdain of society for murder) and note the data again

You will see that the state of society completely improves with a higher threadshold (and therefore a disdain for the murder of a random person). You would probably see a raise of happyness, cooperation, survivability etc.)

Abslutely no concept of right and wrong, just basic mathematics, logic and survival. if you have the time and a programmer at disposition, try it, you will see.

Not murdering innocent is not related to something ideologically superior to us in term of good or bad, it's related to our material conditions of existence. Material conditions that automatically improve when we are not morons and do not kill random or innocent people around us.

Day isn't far when logiko will say - "your existence is the creation of capitalism"

Well...

this is fucking bullshit though because if we are real honest, the T doesnt belong with the LGB, because those represent sexual orientations and gender identity is a completely different concept. there are many people who support the LGB but not the T, even inside the community itself.

Read this >>>

You need to be a materialist to understand what I'm saying here (I'm not joking). I could tell you "the fight of one protects the fight of others" but you wouldn't really get it. It's kind of an advanced leftist thinking.

Basically : The system of the oppression of LGBTQI+ is interconnected which means that there is no fighting one of these groups without oppressing the others, the fight against Trans people (because it's usually trans people that are targeted in the west) is deeply linked to the fight of against LGB people and IQ+ people in general. This is a simple logic of systemic oppression.

If you want a radical allegory, picture a cliff on a snowy mountain:

> LGBTQI+ people here are represented by the two red points (lgb > At the bottom & TQi+ on Top)
> All the snow scattered in an unstable manner on the face of the mountain is the entire spectra of right of ALL LGBTQI+.

Technically the red dots are separated. Right?

But when you look closer, you understand that the entire field is an interconnection of unstable snow (unstable rights). The ENTIRE face of the mountain is - in the case of this ex - connected together just like rights are connected in real life. One right opens the field for another, a liberty opens the window for another etc. And right are stacked up on top of each others as they form a mountain of snow and progress..

Now... What happens when you put an explosive on the top red dot ?? (representing Trans, Queers and Intersex people)

Little spoilers:

In reality, the entire face of the mountain comes crashing down. Because what was the right stacked up just before the top of the "rights mountain" becomes the next visible target to fall.

And since right attacked by oppressive measure are linked by a bigger oppression that is actually an entire system of domination (patriarchy in this case) ...

The entire mountain falls. And the red dot at the bottom end up completely smashed by the domination system combined with the strenghtening of oppressive measures.

This is what I means when I say that you can't be for gay and against Trans.

If you are against one group, your are targeting ALL OF THEM.

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And you know what is even worse ?

The mountain of the right of LGBTQI+ are just part of the unstable snow on the mountain of the rights of the entire population of the planets.

Because ... what do you think happens when Trans people are targeted because they are considered ill? Well.. people with mental situation like me get targeted as well and it's now THEIR turn to lose rights, and when we lose all our rights, it's disabled people LIKE ME who lose their rights... until the one losing their rights are cis white men working in their factories...

Attacking the rights of people who want to simply live in peace, means creating an instability for the right of the entire population of the planet.

Because oppression does no stop when it's finish. Oppression demands more oppression and control. Until the system breaks or reset.

@Jew D. Boy is right, @Zenos7 , @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier let's stop replying to the guy. Let him simmer in his hate. That's all we can do, he will not change and it will just spread hate further.

he is pulling a logiko on us by using "natural" in a different way.

The difference being that I do it based on works of scholars, he does it based on bullshit nonsensical thinking.

I actually feel bad that Nicolas Sarkozy will be jailed. Not that he is innocent. But prisons are scary.

Maybe this will make right-wingers question the prison system.

But they'll probably soon gonna treat Sarkozy like a martyr of corruption.

Prison should be abolished. They are a place of oppression.

For every Sarkozy in jail for 4 years there are 50 racialized people jailed for 10. (I don't know the exact number, but this system is an oppressive and racist one)

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Uncle Van I hope you understand the level of violence that someone from the LGBTQI+ community would have to face by reading this thread.

I have to stop replying to this guy's hatefull rethoric if I want to stop him from spreading hate.



Please.

@RyoQ
Stop talking about things you do not understand.

Ask genuine and sincere question aimed to understand or shut it.

You are LUCKY that I'm not a mod here.



If I were hidding jews in my basement during the Nazi occupation in France and if I told to the Gestapo that I was not hidding jews.. Trust me, it wouldn't be wrong to lie here.

Context matter. That's why you need to stop looking at morality and look at ethics.



Did you read this ? Or did you just ignore the entire things because it was too hard to understand ?

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Well...






Read this >>>






@Jew D. Boy is right, @Zenos7 , @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier let's stop replying to the guy. Let him simmer in his hate. That's all we can do, he will not change and it will just spread hate further.


The difference being that I do it based on works of scholars, he does it based on bullshit nonsensical thinking.



Prison should be abolished. They are a place of oppression.

For every Sarkozy in jail for 4 years there are 50 racialized people jailed for 10. (I don't know the exact number, but this system is an oppressive and racist one)

I don't know if he can be banned simply for being homophobic, as much as I'd love to see his ass get banned I don't know if the mods operate that way. After all there's a couple of users here who are bigoted yet they're still here.
I think, typically, people aren't removed from a community for simply having discriminatory views unless they decide to act on those views (i.e calling a user a racial slur).

 

[AL sama]

Logiko only tagged Van?? I m free

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Logiko only tagged Van?? I m free

@Logiko He thinks he can get away

 

[Logiko]

I don't know if he can be banned simply for being homophobic, as much as I'd love to see his ass get banned I don't know if the mods operate that way. After all there's a couple of users here who are bigoted yet they're still here.
I think, typically, people aren't removed from a community for simply having discriminatory views unless they decide to act on those views (i.e calling a user a racial slur).

He could if mods were actually respecting their own rules

Sharing discriminatory views or "discriminatory remarks" is part of "discrimination" as it targets any people of these communities on this forum.

The fact that it's untargeted doesn't make it right. And a lot of times it's targeted. There are reason why these rules exists, because without it,, the forum would be directly targeted by the laws the country this server is residing in.

Logiko only tagged Van?? I m free

I thought Van would understand it more than you, that's all

 

[Monkey D Theories]

according to humans being sexually dimorphic

sexual dimorphism entails heterosexuality, necessarily

But not all people are heterosexual, so this argument is bogus

 

[Logiko]

But not all people are heterosexual, so this argument is bogus

Please, stop replying to him on this, he will not stop.

 

[AL sama]

I don't know if he can be banned simply for being homophobic, as much as I'd love to see his ass get banned I don't know if the mods operate that way. After all there's a couple of users here who are bigoted yet they're still here.
I think, typically, people aren't removed from a community for simply having discriminatory views unless they decide to act on those views (i.e calling a user a racial slur).

the fact that I didn't delete anything should be telling enough

 

[Logiko]

the fact that I didn't delete anything should be telling enough

Indeed. It's telling a lot

 

[Akai2]

Logiko only tagged Van?? I m free

I typically want people to go off because it's entertaining as fuck

But reading the last 4-5 pages, please nuke this thread AL

Just burn it with fire

 

[Logiko]

I typically want people to go off because it's entertaining as fuck

But reading the last 4-5 pages, please nuke this thread AL

Just burn it with fire

I'm fine with that now, this forum is dying anyway

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He could if mods were actually respecting their own rules

Sharing discriminatory views or "discriminatory remarks" is part of "discrimination" as it targets any people of these communities on this forum.

The fact that it's untargeted doesn't make it right. And a lot of times it's targeted. There are reason why these rules exists, because without it,, the forum would be directly targeted by the laws the country this server is residing in.



I thought Van would understanding it more than you, that's all

Tbf that says "berating users specifically or making vague discriminatory comments to bait a reaction out of users"
I don't remember him attacking any users here for being homosexual or anything.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Best part is how he didn't need to say ANY of this at all. Just like he never had to imply that he's a nazi or "that he would be viewed as one" by people here.
Some people really need to keep their skeletons in the closet

If he wants to keep telling on himself, it’s fine with me! Anyone else who comes into this thread (other than the handful of chuds who agree with him) will look at his posts and immediately see what a miserable cretin he is, we don’t need to guide anyone towards that obvious conclusion

 

[AL sama]

I typically want people to go off because it's entertaining as fuck

But reading the last 4-5 pages, please nuke this thread AL

Just burn it with fire

you know I love banning but I don't have anything to work with here

 

[Akai2]

I'm fine with that now, this forum is dying anyway

I don't think the forum is dying, per se, probably just the frequent breaks and the fact that people have been literally fight over the same 2-3 powerscaling topics for 15+ years now has gotten stale.

However, if you want to restore traffic to prime levels, make this thread public. Fuck it can't be half pregnant and hide it with iffy/inconsistent moderation. Either go all out and invite all the bigots, hardcore righties, hardcore lefties, etc... for an all out war with no modding, or just close it.