Controversial General Political Discussion

[Mathias]

Palestine vs Israel is very binary. Write your own creative plan of peace or war in this thread. What would be the best ?

I have 10 ideas ! Let’s solve this conflict NOW !!

-Turkey back with Ottowoman and everyone :))
-Everyone evacuates and we sink everything into the sea so that holy land disappears.
-Gaza and Israel and West Bank become part of the USA and we build a bridge to connect it to Los Angeles !!!
-Neighboring countries read the Talmud and become Jewish and love Israel now. They just couldn’t get it before.
-Everyone watches the film 300 and they all convert to Greek myths.
-Or become atheists because of secret spice mix in their humus. No one will ever know the recipe.
-They decide to make love and not genocide because they are all very hot actually.
-The chosen one finally arrives and turns every Jews into a newer religion. Mazel tov !
-Hamas new leader falls in love with Netanyahu and so he does. Gay > heterosexual.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1974569082935513437

Blame them of what you are. This is so pathethic

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Pretty sure the point is for Greta to get attention and make a conflict that has nothing to do with her about her.

So basically "influencer" 101 tactics.

I'm more inclined to believe she is just paid to do stuff like that. Seems we also had Brazillians congress woman going there and getting jail. Hope she really loses her mandate when/if she comes back. People here lost for much less reasons.

 

[Mathias]

Having déjà vu. As if this thread with its 3000+ pages were actually the same arguments being repeated.

Spoiler

And I'm having déjà vu by writing this very comment too

Spoiler: Am I high as fuck ?

 

[Logiko]

Meanwhile in fascist patriarchy:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1974620466947236316

(Don't expect a full memorial stadium for them, it won't happen)

You don't have to tell me that they don't care about Gaza's life but only to do anything they can to oppose Israel because they are nazis. I already know that.

What you just said is not even relevant on a troll level mate

Read the tweet Israel defender

Pretty sure the point is for Greta to get attention and make a conflict that has nothing to do with her about her.

So basically "influencer" 101 tactics.

It's the parade of Israel defenders here or what ?

-Gaza and Israel and West Bank become part of the USA and we build a bridge to connect it to Los Angeles !!!

LMAO

And I'm having déjà vu by writing this very comment too

It's time

DId you follow the race?

 

[Peepooman]

Trump just said he wants to use blue states as training grounds for the millitary and ice and all i see from democrats is shock, this party is too weak. The left are weak in general, if it was the right they'd be calling for civil war

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Trunp just said he wants to use blue states a training grounds for the millitary and ice and all i see from democrats is shock, this party is too weak. The left are weak in general, if it was the right they'd be calling for civil war

The thing is, the right actually wants a civil war so they can install a fascist regime.

I’m certain Trump is trying to engineer some sort of a crisis at this point.

 

[Uncle Van]

The thing is, the right actually wants a civil war so they can install a fascist regime.

I’m certain Trump is trying to engineer some sort of a crisis at this point.

Nothing new. This is usually what happens during late stage capitalism. As more wealth gets hoarded and extracted from the people, the government becomes more and more unable to meet the needs of the citizens. Lack of basic necessities means way more social unrest, so the government needs to redirect the ire of the people while consolidating more power to the oligarchs.

Facist Italy blamed the left and the US. Nazi Germany blamed the left and jews. The Trump administration is hardcore blaming the left and singling out trans people. They used government sites and mass federal emails claiming the left for the govenrment shutdown, and encouraging federal workers not to support the democrats.

 

[Logiko]

Trunp just said he wants to use blue states a training grounds for the millitary and ice and all i see from democrats is shock, this party is too weak. The left are weak in general, if it was the right they'd be calling for civil war

That's because it's not the left. The left is indeed weak in America, but democrats's shock is only a result of them not being leftist enough to understand the problem and the fact that it has being prepared for a looooooooooong time.

Centrist and liberal combined with rightist and generation of conservatist, are the agent that allowed fascism to happen in the first place. Their combined politics created the situation of crisis that we are in (because it's not just in America, it's Europe too). It's sadly a political constant.

Capitalism needs to survive and all of these actors are the steps this system needs to walk on to stay afloat. Until the situation becomes too extrem for people not to be able to maintain the spread of hate and inequalities without pushing capitalism into it's limits and finally... overdrive.. with a complete fascist takeover.

All of this is sadly as predictable as the weather. Which is highly frustrating.

Systemic problems are to be resolved through systemic solutions. As long people won't understand this, oppressive systemic cycle will repeat themselves in any kind of environement.

Whether it's a world, a country, a city, an institution or a social circle like this forum.

 

[Reborn]

Nothing new. This is usually what happens during late stage capitalism. As more wealth gets hoarded and extracted from the people, the government becomes more and more unable to meet the needs of the citizens. Lack of basic necessities means way more social unrest, so the government needs to redirect the ire of the people while consolidating more power to the oligarchs.

Facist Italy blamed the left and the US. Nazi Germany blamed the left and jews. The Trump administration is hardcore blaming the left and singling out trans people. They used government sites and mass federal emails claiming the left for the govenrment shutdown, and encouraging federal workers not to support the democrats.

Is it really the right though?

We live in a democracy where majority sentiments prevail.

Right is simply being opportunistic because Left is leaving the vacuum for the Right to fill in.


Let's be real - Left though talk about progressive values and minority rights, but they are often too idealistic or disconnected with ground realities.

People have traditional values in which they take pride on. And, any progressive change comes gradually and from within. Left has been pushing them from the top and you know what happens when we challenge people's values or comfort zone? They resist. More so, when Left has developed tendency to throw labels like candies.

Majority simply feels disconnected with the Left and Right fills that vacuum. Result? Rising rightist governments across the World.

Even their focus on redistribution and welfare makes people feel disconnected because what people actually cares about is individual growth, job, stability and efficiency. Left simply doesn't connect with the majority.

 

[Logiko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1974884901750223067

Let's be real - Left though talk about progressive values and minority rights, but they are often too idealistic or disconnected with ground realities.

Please... for the love of Usopp, look up the difference between idealism and materialism, between individualism and systemism.

I don't ask for much

And, any progressive change comes gradually and from within

This is idealistic for ex.

 

[Zenos7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1974884901750223067

either thats a dude that is getting his hair pulled or the guy screaming in the video is misgendering that person.

also need some more context to accuse a random police officer of being a fascist.

 

[Logiko]

either thats a dude that is getting his hair pulled or the guy screaming in the video is misgendering that person.

also need some more context to accuse a random police officer of being a fascist.

Usually, those who repress people who are protesting against a genocide are closer to fascist that peace keeper.

This is but an exemple of a systemic problem. We don't necessarily call individual fascists, we call the repression - of the activism against a genocide - fascist.

There is no non-fascist way to oppose a protest that tries to stop a genocide. In a country where the interests of the power are aligned to the genociders, the repression of such movement is fascist systematically by nature.

As such, anyone who participate in such repression is fascist. It's - for once - really simple political logic.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Meanwhile in fascist patriarchy:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1974620466947236316

(Don't expect a full memorial stadium for them, it won't happen)

Give violence receive more violence. This is what the left was looking for.

What you just said is not even relevant on a troll level mate

Read the tweet Israel defender

Yes it is. You said with all words. Their goal was never to help Gaza.

Imagine having a whole population acknowledging the left is violent and then you try to pull the "data" on them to prove the right is violent only to get easily debunked by your own data

 

[Logiko]

Give violence receive more violence. This is what the left was looking for.

Wow... You just equated women talking shit of Kirk and them being killed by a stalker.

You just descended to the lowest and most hideous level of creep and assholery.

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I tried to be nice with you and explain stuff in the simplest way possible, but that's even too hard for you and you reached the limit of my patience, this is disgusting.

Yes it is. You said with all words. Their goal was never to help Gaza.

So you read "their goal is not to save gaza but to break the blocus (which means saving Gaza)" (implied with humanitary food) and you interprete "their goal was never to help Gaza".

On top of your complete inability to read a simple sentence, you are falling lower and lower in term of the respect I can give you right now.

Imagine having a whole population acknowledging the left is violent and then you try to pull the "data" on them to prove the right is violent only to get easily debunked by your own data

Imagine defending fascism.

No, just kidding, that's what you are doing.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Wow... You just equated women talking shit of Kirk and them being killed by a stalker.

You just descended to the lowest and most hideous level of creep and assholery.

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I tried to be nice with you and explain stuff in the simplest way possible, but that's even too hard for you and you reached the limit of my patience, this is disgusting.

I wasn't referring to the women talking shit but to the Charlie Kirk killing. Of course I will never say it is justified to kill someone for words. But this is something you yourself preaches. Unlike you I'm a freedom of speech, and freedom overall, defender.

So you read "their goal is not to save gaza but to break the blocus (which means saving Gaza)" (implied with humanitary food) and you interprete "their goal was never to help Gaza".

On top of your complete inability to read a simple sentence, you are falling lower and lower in term of the respect I can give you right now.

Yea. Again you are saying it. Their goal wasn't to save gaza.

Imagine defending fascism.

No, just kidding, that's what you are doing.

If anything you the one defending fascism by calling what you and the left does as not fascist

 

[Logiko]

Yea. Again you are saying it. Their goal wasn't to save gaza.

Ok so you simply don't know how to read..
Breaking the blocus means saving Gaza.

I wasn't referring to the women talking shit but to the Charlie Kirk killing. Of course I will never say it is justified to kill someone for words. But this is something you yourself preaches. Unlike you I'm a freedom of speech, and freedom overall, defender.

Something I preach ? Where did you see me justifying the murder of a man ?
Understanding is not agreeing. In this case, there was no rationnal reason to kill this fascist, it was dumb, plain and simple and didn't help the left in anyway.

If anything you the one defending fascism by calling what you and the left does as not fascist

I think you do not know how to think either.

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Ok so you simply don't know how to read..
Breaking the blocus means saving Gaza.

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"

Something I preach ? Where did you see me justifying the murder of a man ?
Understanding is not agreeing. In this case, there was no rationnal reason to kill this fascist, it was dumb, plain and simple and did help the left in anyway.

So killing him helped the left?

I think you do not know how to think either.

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

 

[Logiko]

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"

Context matter while reading. This is why most people do not understand One Piece.

You affirmed that humanitarian ressources were not on ships, I debunked your lie by showing you that yes they are but OFC there are no enough ressources to save gazan which is logical since you can't save Gaza's hunger with just a few ship of humanitarian ressources, you would need thousands and thousands of ships.

But what they want to do is save Gaza by breaking the blocus (which I explained just earlier and something you did not understand).

So I repeat, you can't read.

So killing him helped the left?

(I can't seems to write myself) but you definitely can't understand context whatsoever.
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didn't help the left in anyway.

Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

Keep talking your nonsense, all I interprete here is "I agree with fascists".

 

[Reborn]

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"


So killing him helped the left?


Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

So if his killing would have helped the Left in any way would it be justified?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

So if his killing would have helped the Left in any way would it be justified?

That's my point!

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Context matter while reading. This is why most people do not understand One Piece.

You affirmed that humanitarian ressources were not on ships, I debunked your lie by showing you that yes they are but OFC there are no enough ressources to save gazan which is logical since you can't save Gaza's hunger with just a few ship of humanitarian ressources, you would need thousands and thousands of ships.

But what they want to do is save Gaza by breaking the blocus (which I explained just earlier and something you did not understand).

So I repeat, you can't read.

So far I only saw the video of no humanitarian aid at those ships when it got there. If they really wanted to send any aid they'd have accepted the cooperating of UN but no the denied.

Now tell me how breaking the blocus saved Gaza? And tell me how they broke the blocus? Because they didn't broke anything and they didn't saved anything either.

Keep talking your nonsense, all I interprete here is "I agree with fascists".

That what you do. You agree with fascists.