Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Give violence receive more violence. This is what the left was looking for.

Wow... You just equated women talking shit of Kirk and them being killed by a stalker.

You just descended to the lowest and most hideous level of creep and assholery.

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I tried to be nice with you and explain stuff in the simplest way possible, but that's even too hard for you and you reached the limit of my patience, this is disgusting.

Yes it is. You said with all words. Their goal was never to help Gaza.

So you read "their goal is not to save gaza but to break the blocus (which means saving Gaza)" (implied with humanitary food) and you interprete "their goal was never to help Gaza".

On top of your complete inability to read a simple sentence, you are falling lower and lower in term of the respect I can give you right now.

Imagine having a whole population acknowledging the left is violent and then you try to pull the "data" on them to prove the right is violent only to get easily debunked by your own data

Imagine defending fascism.

No, just kidding, that's what you are doing.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Wow... You just equated women talking shit of Kirk and them being killed by a stalker.

You just descended to the lowest and most hideous level of creep and assholery.

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I tried to be nice with you and explain stuff in the simplest way possible, but that's even too hard for you and you reached the limit of my patience, this is disgusting.

I wasn't referring to the women talking shit but to the Charlie Kirk killing. Of course I will never say it is justified to kill someone for words. But this is something you yourself preaches. Unlike you I'm a freedom of speech, and freedom overall, defender.

So you read "their goal is not to save gaza but to break the blocus (which means saving Gaza)" (implied with humanitary food) and you interprete "their goal was never to help Gaza".

On top of your complete inability to read a simple sentence, you are falling lower and lower in term of the respect I can give you right now.

Yea. Again you are saying it. Their goal wasn't to save gaza.

Imagine defending fascism.

No, just kidding, that's what you are doing.

If anything you the one defending fascism by calling what you and the left does as not fascist

 

[Logiko]

Yea. Again you are saying it. Their goal wasn't to save gaza.

Ok so you simply don't know how to read..
Breaking the blocus means saving Gaza.

I wasn't referring to the women talking shit but to the Charlie Kirk killing. Of course I will never say it is justified to kill someone for words. But this is something you yourself preaches. Unlike you I'm a freedom of speech, and freedom overall, defender.

Something I preach ? Where did you see me justifying the murder of a man ?
Understanding is not agreeing. In this case, there was no rationnal reason to kill this fascist, it was dumb, plain and simple and didn't help the left in anyway.

If anything you the one defending fascism by calling what you and the left does as not fascist

I think you do not know how to think either.

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Ok so you simply don't know how to read..
Breaking the blocus means saving Gaza.

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"

Something I preach ? Where did you see me justifying the murder of a man ?
Understanding is not agreeing. In this case, there was no rationnal reason to kill this fascist, it was dumb, plain and simple and did help the left in anyway.

So killing him helped the left?

I think you do not know how to think either.

What you are saying doesn't make sense.

Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

 

[Logiko]

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"

Context matter while reading. This is why most people do not understand One Piece.

You affirmed that humanitarian ressources were not on ships, I debunked your lie by showing you that yes they are but OFC there are no enough ressources to save gazan which is logical since you can't save Gaza's hunger with just a few ship of humanitarian ressources, you would need thousands and thousands of ships.

But what they want to do is save Gaza by breaking the blocus (which I explained just earlier and something you did not understand).

So I repeat, you can't read.

So killing him helped the left?

(I can't seems to write myself) but you definitely can't understand context whatsoever.
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didn't help the left in anyway.

Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

Keep talking your nonsense, all I interprete here is "I agree with fascists".

 

[Reborn]

Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is not to save Gaza"
Also Logiko "The point of the freedom flotilla is to save Gaza"


So killing him helped the left?


Of course it doesn't. Just like that "data" saying it doesn't makes sense to call Charlie Kirk murder as a political violence from the left.

So if his killing would have helped the Left in any way would it be justified?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

So if his killing would have helped the Left in any way would it be justified?

That's my point!
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Context matter while reading. This is why most people do not understand One Piece.

You affirmed that humanitarian ressources were not on ships, I debunked your lie by showing you that yes they are but OFC there are no enough ressources to save gazan which is logical since you can't save Gaza's hunger with just a few ship of humanitarian ressources, you would need thousands and thousands of ships.

But what they want to do is save Gaza by breaking the blocus (which I explained just earlier and something you did not understand).

So I repeat, you can't read.

So far I only saw the video of no humanitarian aid at those ships when it got there. If they really wanted to send any aid they'd have accepted the cooperating of UN but no the denied.

Now tell me how breaking the blocus saved Gaza? And tell me how they broke the blocus? Because they didn't broke anything and they didn't saved anything either.

Keep talking your nonsense, all I interprete here is "I agree with fascists".

That what you do. You agree with fascists.

 

[Logiko]

So if his killing would have helped the Left in any way would it be justified?

That's my point!

It depend on the context. It's up to fighters to understand if killing someone is the right thing to do or not.

That's why I keep bringing upsomething called ETHICS.

As long as you will see the world in the narrow windows of morals, you will risk becoming fascists.

So far I only saw the video of no humanitarian aid at those ships when it got there. If they really wanted to send any aid they'd have accepted the cooperating of UN but no the denied.

Ships were intercepted. They didn't reach Gaza. The video you saw are Israelian propaganda. Meanwhile, I gave you EVIDENCES showing you that there were indeed humanitarian ressources on ships.

Now tell me how breaking the blocus saved Gaza? And tell me how they broke the blocus? Because they didn't broke anything and they didn't saved anything either.

It did NOT break Einstein!! For the Fucking love of Chopperman!
Israel intercepted the ships and kidnapped ALL their occupant.

That what you do. You agree with fascists.

You do not understand this word, don't use it.

 

[Reborn]

It depend on the context. It's up to fighters to understand if killing someone is the right thing to do or not.

That's why I keep bringing upsomething called ETHICS.

As long as you will see the world in the narrow windows of morals, you will risk becoming fascists.


Ships were intercepted. They didn't reach Gaza. The video you saw are Israelian propaganda. Meanwhile, I gave you EVIDENCES showing you that there were indeed humanitarian ressources on ships.



It did NOT break Einstein!! For the Fucking love of Chopperman!
Israel intercepted the ships and kidnapped ALL their occupant.

You do not understand this word, don't use it.

I didn't ask all of that.

You said killing kirk wasn't justified as it didn't help left in anyway.


So, my question is simple - if killing kirk would have helped Left in anyway would it be justified?

 

[Peepooman]

The governor of Texas just posted a tweet where he bragged abt sending 400 troops to Chicago. Democrats have no backbone because if any democrat did that to them they would use the millitary to defend themselves
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Whatever the left decides to do in America, this cant continue for much longer. The right needs to be dealt with un-diplomaticly

 

[HerreraIsBack]

It depend on the context. It's up to fighters to understand if killing someone is the right thing to do or not.

That's why I keep bringing upsomething called ETHICS.

As long as you will see the world in the narrow windows of morals, you will risk becoming fascists.

So you just said it is justified to kill if it helps your political goals.

Ships were intercepted. They didn't reach Gaza. The video you saw are Israelian propaganda. Meanwhile, I gave you EVIDENCES showing you that there were indeed humanitarian ressources on ships.

And the video you showed is nazi propaganda. Great!

It did NOT break Einstein!! For the Fucking love of Chopperman!
Israel intercepted the ships and kidnapped ALL their occupant.

AKA they didn't helped a shit. And they knew they wouldn't. That's why we are saying they did all that just for the headlines to show how nazi they are.

You do not understand this word, don't use it.

That's literally you dude. You don't understand half the shit, at minimium, you are saying. You just repeating what you listen.

 

[Logiko]

You said killing kirk wasn't justified as it didn't help left in anyway.

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there was no rationnal reason to kill this fascist, it was dumb, plain and simple and didn't help the left in anyway.

AND it didn't help the left in anyway. FFS read.

So, my question is simple - if killing kirk would have helped Left in anyway would it be justified?

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It depend on the context. It's up to fighters to understand if killing someone is the right thing to do or not.

That's why I keep bringing upsomething called ETHICS.

Whatever the left decides to do in America, this cant continue for much longer. The right needs to be dealt with un-diplomaticly

I would be on the American Left, I would start thinking about the creation of self defense milicia against ICE agents. This is becoming a concrete safety problem for the population and fascism can't be dealt with through rationnal means once it's installed.

So you just said it is justified to kill if it helps your political goals.

Never said that. Learn to read.

And the video you showed is nazi propaganda. Great!

Are you calling people who want to end a genocide.. "Nazi" ?

AKA they didn't helped a shit. And they knew they wouldn't. That's why we are saying they did all that just for the headlines to show how nazi they are.

@AL sama @Uncle Van when is it too much ?

That's literally you dude. You don't understand half the shit, at minimium, you are saying. You just repeating what you listen.

Stop ragebating, learn history.

 

[Reborn]

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AND it didn't help the left in anyway. FFS read.



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I would be on the American Left, I would start thinking about the creation of self defense milicia against ICE agents. This is becoming a concrete safety problem for the population and fascism can't be dealt with through rationnal means once it's installed.



Never said that. Learn to read.



Are you calling people who want to end a genocide.. "Nazi" ?




@AL sama @Uncle Van when is it too much ?



Stop ragebating, learn history.

I know how to read

Stop trying to justify your stupid takes every time.

Even a toddler can understand that your statement implied - killing kirk was dumb and your reasoning which followed after that was "it didn't help left in anyway".


Your reduced the killing to strategic or political benefits to the Left.

 

[Logiko]

I know how to read

Stop trying to justify your stupid takes every time.

Even a toddler can understand that your statement implied - killing kirk was dumb and your reasoning which followed after that was "it didn't help left in anyway".


Your reduced the killing to strategic or political benefits to the Left.

It's a new game for you to search for absent (and actually opposite) intent into the words of others?

I suggest you stop that right now. First because it completely ridiculize your rethorics. Second because it puts you on the path of looking at every rethorics through that lens and making you completely numb to truth.

In other words, you are radicalizing to the far right post-truth way of interacting with others. Careful.

1. Be more careful when you read
2. Don't invent intent and understand the context of a discourse (I used this phrasing to explain why the motivation of the killer was missguided)
3. Understand what ethics mean.

Do all of that and be respected. Or don't, and be ridiculized.

 

[Reborn]

It's a new game for you to search for absent (and actually opposite) intent into the words of others?

I suggest you stop that right now. First because it completely ridiculize your rethorics. Second because it puts you on the path of looking at every rethorics through that lens and making you completely numb to truth.

In other words, you are radicalizing to the far right post-truth way of interacting with others. Careful.

1. Be more careful when you read
2. Don't invent intent and understand the context of a discourse (I used this phrasing to explain why the motivation of the killer was missguided)
3. Understand what ethics mean.

Do all of that and be respected. Or don't, and be ridiculized.

You are so full of BS lmao

I better be ridiculed for stating facts than to act like a clown to justify my BS

 

[Uncle Van]

Is it really the right though?

We live in a democracy where majority sentiments prevail.

Right is simply being opportunistic because Left is leaving the vacuum for the Right to fill in.


Let's be real - Left though talk about progressive values and minority rights, but they are often too idealistic or disconnected with ground realities.

People have traditional values in which they take pride on. And, any progressive change comes gradually and from within. Left has been pushing them from the top and you know what happens when we challenge people's values or comfort zone? They resist. More so, when Left has developed tendency to throw labels like candies.

Majority simply feels disconnected with the Left and Right fills that vacuum. Result? Rising rightist governments across the World.

Even their focus on redistribution and welfare makes people feel disconnected because what people actually cares about is individual growth, job, stability and efficiency. Left simply doesn't connect with the majority.

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I just noticed I've never gave my full stance on right wing, left wing, America etc. because I've spent so much time correcting dudes who uses terms wrong by definition lol.

Back in the day, America and Europe functioned under a Monarchy. The Monarchy was the status quo, and preserving the status quo made one a conservative. As usual, the status quo leans more and more to the right, more cracks and flaws being to show, and radical leftist have to enforce change for the better(against the Monarchy, it was Liberalism). Liberalism was the radical left ideology that took down the American Monarchy. Over time, Liberalism was combined with Capitalism and become the new status quo.

In today's America, it leans to the right on social politics, and leans HEAVILY to the right on economic politics. There are many problems with right wing America that's getting worse over time, and is in strong need of leftist policies. MLK Jr. was a radical leftist who said African Americans won't reach prosperity as long as captialism exists and that it needs to go. Throughout history, it's always the radical leftist that changes things for the better. This is why Liberalism, Moderatism and Centrism are useless in America, as they still push right wing policies in an already right leaning nation. All 3 of them, where they know it or not, are still pushing/enforcing the right wing status quo which also makes them conservative.

With that said, how come radical leftists today are only making things more right wing? BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING STUPID!!!! Male rapist identifying as trans right before their trail and getting sent to a female prison? Pedophiles trying to get renamed to "minor attracted persons"? Teaching children about sex? The crazy appeal to narcissism and changing of definitions for convenience? Trying to stop oil by using oil products? Demonizing men and saying are superior? Forcing transparent politics in entertainment? Not all change is for the betterment of society as you can see. These morons push so much dumb shit so that right wing media can spam it everywhere to create outrage, masking all the real issues. America is pushing more right wing for a reason.

@Zemmi @AL sama @Okamakama

 

[Reborn]

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I would be blunt

America needs more proactive version of Lefties like you (not like Logiko) to counter the right

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1nzf3kq
The true terrorists attacking America were never poor Muslim gangs, but Washington DC funding them in the first place.

It was always rich religious fundamentalists forcing their crap into kids when they never wanted it. I detest Israel, but, who created them? DC and London.

The true terrorists were the people who founded America off of two genocides on different continents, and dragged the Africans across the Atlantic to trade their children in public as child sex slaves.

It was always the white Christian invaders saying they loved Jesus while doing nothing Jesus did, and acting like Satanists, using the law to "legally" rape and kill their slaves. Rules for fools. Justice? What Justice?

Lynching black kids.
Bombing hospitals and abortion clinics.
Profiting off of starving children in foreign countries, and getting paid big bucks by Israel to do it.
Like, US politicians profit off of live-streaming child murder. Where do you even start with how evil that is?

The religious cults and authority in the USA has always been its greatest sources of terrorism.

That's a fact, but liars will call it fiction.

I think that's the biggest problem:

Some of ya'll have NO IDEA what lying is.

 

[Blax Blah]

Reborn really dislikes Logiko man

 

[Mathias]

And the video you showed is nazi propaganda. Great!


AKA they didn't helped a shit. And they knew they wouldn't. That's why we are saying they did all that just for the headlines to show how nazi they are.

We support them so that makes us what ? :)

Reborn really dislikes Logiko man

Not very original