Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

"The Utopists won the battle. They proved that they were the really practical people, and that those who pretended to be practical were imbeciles.



And the only regret expressed now by all who know the Russian peasantry is, that too many concessions were made to those practical imbeciles and narrow-minded egotists: that the advice of the left wing of the unpractical camp was not followed in full. "

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You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?


This is the problem with left - labelling others if they don't agree with them

You can keep your blind simping of Logiko to yourself... We have better things to do than this

 

[Blax Blah]

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?


This is the problem with left - labelling others if they don't agree with them

You can keep your blind simping of Logiko to yourself... We have better things to do than this

Better things meaning hating on the GOAT

 

[Reborn]

Better things meaning hating on the GOAT

Still better than sucking upto logiko

 

[Zenos7]

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

what about the non right wingers that also keep hating on him?

 

[Blax Blah]

what about the non right wingers that also keep hating on him?

It is what it is, but

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

What left wingers here hate on him though?

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Also I think I may have heard of him before using the forum, unless I'm mistaken his name used to be Carrot4Nakama or something like that and I heard that being mentioned before in some livestreams or videos, I don't know if it was the person or a hashtag though

 

[Logiko]

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen

You want the left, but not when it's leftist.. in other words, you want the right.

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

So anyone who don't agree with Logiko is a right winger now?

Not necessarily.

I don't agree with people that are even more leftist than me.

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

What left wingers here hate on him though?

Thanks but that is not deserved. I'm nothing special in term of leftist knowledge. In fact I'm a newborn leftist in comparison to people who inspires me. I'm only very stubborn, that might be my only real advantage here

People don't like me because I try to explain stuff a lot. And I can understand them, you would also be triggered if I did the same thing with you or other leftists here

I can't help it, I need to explain everything with 10 paragraph

Also I think I may have heard of him before using the forum, unless I'm mistaken his name used to be Carrot4Nakama or something like that and I heard that being mentioned before in some livestreams or videos, I don't know if it was the person or a hashtag though

It was a my name on Twitter and a lot of people used it from here.

I was a big name in the Carrot fanbase since I was theorizing a lot about her and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

 

[coolio]

You want the left, but not when it's leftist.. in other words, you want the right.

Not necessarily.

I don't agree with people that are even more leftist than me.



Thanks but that is not deserved. I'm nothing special in term of leftist knowledge. In fact I'm a newborn leftist in comparison to people who inspires me. I'm only very stubborn, that might be my only real advantage here

People don't like me because I try to explain stuff a lot. And I can understand them, you would also be triggered if I did the same thing with you or other leftists here

I can't help it, I need to explain everything with 10 paragraph




It was a my name on Twitter and a lot of people used it from here.

I was a big name in the Carrot fanbase since I was theorizing a lot about her and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

I respect and appreciate all fellow Carrot enjoyers. In the end we'll get the reward of her integral role for waiting all these years.

 

[Logiko]

and there is a guy who made an entire channel inspired by my threads on twitter Lmao.

I found the channel. Very cool dude btw, very kind to sources me here, he even kept my avatar from the old time lol:

https://www.youtube.com/@carrotthestrawhat5822/videos

 

[coolio]

I found the channel. Very cool dude btw, very kind to sources me here, he even kept my avatar from the old time lol:

https://www.youtube.com/@carrotthestrawhat5822/videos

My favorite ideas come from AllBlueTiger, Neo Uma, and Darianwn

 

[Mathias]

France about to implode from within. The party created by DeGaulle will probably fully make an alliance with the party of the Nazi Collaboration.

 

[Logiko]

AllBlueTiger

I don't know the other two but this one is a very cool theorist. They had a very cool idea (I quoted them a while ago here)

France about to implode from within. The party created by DeGaulle will probably fully make an alliance with the party of the Nazi Collaboration.

Yup.. Our country is a joke and history repeats itself.

Sometimes I want to succumb to the idea that we are just a very dumb specie.

 

[Uncle Van]

As I said before, you fit into left nicely.

Left needs more like you who can make sense instead of talking too much morality or too extreme which steers away from ground realities.

And, if Leftists give you middle finger then even better - because it tells you the state of Leftist to which they have falllen

History over the past few decades, the left or progressives has always been terrible at organizing. The right always had a set of strong core values, alot of them coinciding with American core values itself. Whether it's pro guns, pro life, Patriotism, nationalism, Anti-immigration, religion etc., right wingers and conservatives tend to support at least majority of these movements at once, allowing them to move as one cohesive unit.

For the left, notice how many separated movements there are. These movements also tend to clash with each other, like how the LGB and feminist movement often clash with the Trans movement. Hell, the Trans movement itself has different factions and infighting. The lack of cohesion is also reflected in the Democratic Party who cant make up their minds and stick to one goal.

You can tell Wogiko is the GOAT of this forum because right wingers keep hating on him the most and trying to dismiss him

People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...

It is what it is, but

Logiko is a smart leftist

And not only that but when I found out about my specific trauma's name and dealt with suicidal ideation he helped me a lot

So for me he's the GOAT of the forum

No offense and not downplaying what he did for me, but you're admitting that you are very biased for him because of it. The fact that you try to deem people who disagree with him as automatic right wingers is dangerously closed minded.

 

[Logiko]

like how the LGB and feminist movement often clash with the Trans movement.

While you are right in the sense that there are a LOTS of beef between leftist (at the moment for ex, there is a battle between trans materialist and the antipsy movement) we still recognize all of us (including some kinda liberal-leftists like progressive influencers) as leftists.

The LGB movement is a far right movement, not leftist at all. It's a rejection of leftism activism and a conservatist radicalism

People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...

Yeah.. That's logikal lol - I have a radical opinion that conflicts with the current status co of the interest of most people here.

The funny thing is that said opinion is radical on both the vision of the story and the politics of this forum

The fact that you try to deem people who disagree with him as automatic right wingers is dangerously closed minded.

I agree that he seems to have a halo effect bias toward me which can be dangerous (and I keep telling you @Blax Blah , I'm really thankfull to see that I'm heard here, but I'm just a dumb leftist with a lot of determination, I'm not a goat or anything lol ).. but that's not what he said.

 

[Reborn]

History over the past few decades, the left or progressives has always been terrible at organizing. The right always had a set of strong core values, alot of them coinciding with American core values itself. Whether it's pro guns, pro life, Patriotism, nationalism, Anti-immigration, religion etc., right wingers and conservatives tend to support at least majority of these movements at once, allowing them to move as one cohesive unit.

For the left, notice how many separated movements there are. These movements also tend to clash with each other, like how the LGB and feminist movement often clash with the Trans movement. Hell, the Trans movement itself has different factions and infighting. The lack of cohesion is also reflected in the Democratic Party who cant make up their minds and stick to one goal.





People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...



No offense and not downplaying what he did for me, but you're admitting that you are very biased for him because of it. The fact that you try to deem people who disagree with him as automatic right wingers is dangerously closed minded.

True

There could be multiple reasons varying from country to country but I feel we can generalize few of them if not all.

What majority wants

• Most people focus more on jobs, opportunities, safe environment (be it against crime, illegal migration or terrorism or drug trafficking), and have less focus or interest in redistribution of wealth.
• They want affordability - be it housing, health and education but at the same time they care about individual growth in their respective careers. Stable, good income means things are affordable.
• Most people care about their traditional value system be it religious or family norms or cultural ethos
• Most people takes pride in the nation's glory

What right is doing

• they have leadership who knows how to move the crowd
• they highlight issues which really matters to the majority
• they dominate social media and electronic media and knows how to corner the liberals and the left as a threat to nation's identity or values
• they resonate well with the values of the majority and instill national pride. After all, tapping into religion or national pride help unify majority emotionally.
• Populists in nature as well. They promise things which majority really wants like more jobs, less inflation, resolving decades long issues.

What Left is doing wrong

• As you said, lack of organization and internal fault lines.
• There is clear lack of charismatic leadership to move the majority
• Too much focus on identity politics and minority rights which often ends up coming across as over - moralizing and steering away from issues which majority faces in form of lack of jobs and inflation.
• They come across as moral preachy and judgemental. They will appeal to emotions and preach morality and empathy which often ends up coming across as having tendency to have moral superiority complex
• Disconnected with the ground realities and issues which matters to the majority. They talk big but don't follow up with having concrete vision and actionable solutions.
• Labelling the critics or disagreeing voices futher pushes the voters (especially the swing voters) away
• Don't know how to inspire majority or instill passion like nationalism does
• They also often sideline traditional values

Right knows how to resonate well with the sentiments of the majority and what tools or means are necessary for this.

You can say politics is like a chess game.

Right is a seasoned player who knows what moves to make, when to make, and do it.

Comman men are like chess pieces on the board.

Left is a dreamy kid who wants to go big but doesn't know how to move the pieces on the board

 

[Logiko]

True

There could be multiple reasons varying from country to country but I feel we can generalize few of them if not all.

What majority wants

• Most people focus more on jobs, opportunities, safe environment (be it against crime, illegal migration or terrorism or drug trafficking), and have less focus or interest in redistribution of wealth.
• They want affordability - be it housing, health and education but at the same time they care about individual growth in their respective careers. Stable, good income means things are affordable.
• Most people care about their traditional value system be it religious or family norms or cultural ethos
• Most people takes pride in the nation's glory

What right is doing

• they have leadership who knows how to move the crowd
• they highlight issues which really matters to the majority
• they dominate social media and electronic media and knows how to corner the liberals and the left as a threat to nation's identity or values
• they resonate well with the values of the majority and instill national pride. After all, tapping into religion or national pride help unify majority emotionally.
• Populists in nature as well. They promise things which majority really wants like more jobs, less inflation, resolving decades long issues.

What Left is doing wrong

• As you said, lack of organization and internal fault lines.
• There is clear lack of charismatic leadership to move the majority
• Too much focus on identity politics and minority rights which often ends up coming across as over - moralizing and steering away from issues which majority faces in form of lack of jobs and inflation.
• They come across as moral preachy and judgemental. They will appeal to emotions and preach morality and empathy which often ends up coming across as having tendency to have moral superiority complex
• Disconnected with the ground realities and issues which matters to the majority. They talk big but don't follow up with having concrete vision and actionable solutions.
• Labelling the critics or disagreeing voices futher pushes the voters (especially the swing voters) away
• Don't know how to inspire majority or instill passion like nationalism does
• They also often sideline traditional values

Right knows how to resonate well with the sentiments of the majority and what tools or means are necessary for this.

You can say politics is like a chess game.

Right is a seasoned player who knows what moves to make, when to make, and do it.

Comman men are like chess pieces on the board.

Left is a dreamy kid who wants to go big but doesn't know how to move the pieces on the board

I prepared a post to debunk the majority of what you said here, but I wonder if it's really a necessity to post it. And I'm on a lazy phase. So I'll just say this:

While there is one or two true (but incomplete point) . Most of what you said here is either false, lack context or information, lack knowledge about the subject or are simple lies.

 

[Reborn]

I prepared a post to debunk the majority of what you said here, but I wonder if it's really a necessity to post it. And I'm on a lazy phase. So I'll just say this:

While there is one or two true (but incomplete point) . Most of what you said here is either false, lack context or information, lack knowledge about the subject or are simple lies.

And, this one is classic example why Left is losing the ground.

Bro spend too much time in his echo chambers and feeding on to the leftist narrative that he lost track of ground realities.

Go and read your daily dose of materialistic beliefs....

 

[Blax Blah]

Reborn is just making stuff up when it comes to the left's issues, there is only one thing he got right, lack of organization, but I imagjne that organization he thinks should be there is some political party, when it should actually be unions


And @Uncle Van I didn't assume people who dislike Logiko are right wingers, otherwise why would I have said "It is what it is" to zenos saying "What about leftists who dislike him?", and why would I have asked "what leftists here dislike him though"?


I just haven't seen leftists here dislike Logiko and Nameless, Reborn, and Ravager and Herrera just hate on him, all right wingers

People's dislike and/or dismissal of him is almost forum wide...lots of them leftist...

Maybe for different reasons, here he is disliked for politics, there he is disliked for liking Carrot, it isn't the same thing

You want the left, but not when it's leftist.. in other words, you want the right.

Exactly, Reborn just makes that stuff up, not based in any understanding of the left

I agree that he seems to have a halo effect bias toward me which can be dangerous (and I keep telling you @Blax Blah , I'm really thankfull to see that I'm heard here, but I'm just a dumb leftist with a lot of determination, I'm not a goat or anything lol ).. but that's not what he said.

First off,

Yes what Reborn and Uncle Van said I'm doing is not what I'm doing, because otherwise my replies to zenos make no sense



Second off,

Yeah I have a halo effect towards you it is what it is, but I'm aware of it so I'm pretty immune, and we disagree on a lot, like about God

 

[Reborn]

Reborn is just making stuff up when it comes to the left's issues, there is only one thing he got right, lack of organization, but I imagjne that organization he thinks should be there is some political party, when it should actually be unions


And @Uncle Van I didn't assume people who dislike Logiko are right wingers, otherwise why would I have said "It is what it is" to zenos saying "What about leftists who dislike him?", and why would I have asked "what leftists here dislike him though"?


I just haven't seen leftists here dislike Logiko and Nameless, Reborn, and Ravager and Herrera just hate on him, all right wingers






Maybe for different reasons, here he is disliked for politics, there he is disliked for liking Carrot, it isn't the same thing





Exactly, Reborn just makes that stuff up, not based in any understanding of the left






First off,

Yes what Reborn and Uncle Van said I'm doing is not what I'm doing, because otherwise my replies to zenos make no sense



Second off,

Yeah I have a halo effect towards you it is what it is, but I'm aware of it so I'm pretty immune, and we disagree on a lot, like about God

There is no making up the issues

You people simply don't read the fucking newspapers it seems

 

[Blax Blah]

There is no making up the issues

You people simply don't read the fucking newspapers it seems

No, it's that you haven't read or watched leftist political theory, so you don't understand leftism, assuming you aren't trolling

 

[Reborn]

No, it's that you haven't read or watched leftist political theory, so you don't understand leftism, assuming you aren't trolling

Either you didn't understand the original post or you seriously need to stop poking your nose.

My post was regarding what's happening across the world which is leading to the rise of rightist.


It has nothing to do with political theory....

For a change, start reading newspapers to see editorials on what's happening in the world