Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1163 Spoilers Discussion

[Mathias]

Prime Garp who already fought battles with Roger, Imu and others , went doing specific training to increase his Attack power, smashing mountains to defeat Chinjao drill in direct clash. He was in prime yet he improved specific area for a specific opponent.

Same in real world where UFC fighters in his prime had to level up his wrestling skills for specific opponent , or world champion boxer who had to use tactic to develop his stamina further in order to carry out special plan against opponent.

Football player forward in his prime years . There is a situation where his team changes coach who follows different tactics so said player develops his defensive capabilites even further . Not to mention when a still in his prime changes his role developing certain skills even further.

Being in prime still leaves room for further development in certain areas.

Roger was in his prime at GV when he was 39 its not like he gained Devil fruit later that would require further development of his DF skills / powers.

Jinbei bounty was increased not his power , he simply had actual screentime to demonstrate his powers.

Brook got stronger because his devil fruit powers become active after he dies .

Blackbeard is growing in strength because he recently gained his devil fruits so controlling them takes time.

Nico Robin is 30 now so her becoming stronger after timeskip is perfectly understandable.

Prime = his strongest self in his lifetime

Comparing with real life doesn’t make sense because it’s a shonen manga.

Chinjao vs Garp looks like a massive plot hole for now.

Other comparisons like Jinbei and Robin aren’t working very well because Oda already said that Jinbei could improve more in sbs. Robin is improving despite having been running way from Imu’s lackeys her whole life.


Roger and WB and Xebec have taken decades to develop their power level because Oda needed to flesh out their history in long term in order to put flashbacks here and there. Meanwhile Goofy gets to beat Kaido in 2 years and a few months from Goa kingdom.

 

[Djordje]

Prime = his strongest self in his lifetime

Comparing with real life doesn’t make sense because it’s a shonen manga.

Chinjao vs Garp looks like a massive plot hole for now.

Other comparisons like Jinbei and Robin aren’t working very well because Oda already said that Jinbei could improve more in sbs. Robin is improving despite having been running way from Imu’s lackeys her whole life.


Roger and WB and Xebec have taken decades to develop their power level because Oda needed to flesh out their history in long term in order to put flashbacks here and there. Meanwhile Goofy gets to beat Kaido in 2 years and a few months from Goa kingdom.

Thats peak not prime , prime is extended period of time while peak is single highest point.

There is no plot hole Garp could defeat Chinjao by simply beating his ass yet he wanted to win direct armament clash against his drill which required further development of his AP .

 

[Mathias]

If we take the Harley text literally Imu seems to be only from Joyboy and Davy Jones' era, especially because thats who he is mostly fixated on and when the WG was created.

Nika is far older, and it is likely there is some primordial entity (Earth God?) that either controls Imu or works with him to the point where I dont see the Sun God or the Earth God being above one another.

But they whole history repeating itself/cycle already was apparent with both series years before they reached their endgames. In One Piece its just not shoehorned to the end. We've known at least about Roger and Shanks since the beginning, and Joyboy has been a concept for 15 years already since Fishman Island. It just got more "ancient" with Nika now and possibly the thing that represents Imu thousands of years before.

Yeah Joyboy was a thing but Davy was roughly introduced with Foxy’s game if I recall correctly. The shame is to repeat exactly Naruto. This is over. I’ll die in shame for having read this Loser of an writer for decades. Shame on me, shame on us.

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Thats peak not prime , prime is extended period of time while peak is single highest point.

There is no plot hole Garp could defeat Chinjao by simply beating his ass yet he wanted to win direct armament clash against his drill which required further development of his AP .

Only peak should matter then. What does prime even stands for ? I mean who cares about prime

 

[auem]

OP scan pages aren't all loading. Is there other host websites?

 

[LemonadeCandy]

You’re acting like this isn’t a piece of world building Oda didn’t previously establish?? Whitebeard himself stated that hardly anyone talks about the Roger Pirates anymore. This is just you ignoring previously established world building for some agenda

And yet Brannew found it relevant to bring them up in the very conference we are talking about. When a topic is relevant, like say, in a marines' conference about the history and evolving world of pirates, the Roger Pirates are on people's mind and will, in fact, be mentioned if deemed necessary.

It really isn't that complicated. Oden's pirating career is an obscure episode of history and his participation in Roger's journey even more so. if someone sails with the crew for a single year when their pirating history spans decades of rivalries and battles with notable enemies they had no part in, it's really no surprise that their association with the crew would be nothing more than a curious anecdote to the outside observer.

 

[ZenZu]

@ZenZu Trash like Big Mom being in that panel but not Rayleigh is pretty sad tho.
As much as Oda hyped Rayleigh pre time skip or even recently, Prime Rayleigh is just not reflective of that.

For Prime Rayleigh to justify the hype of Old Rayleigh, he should have been portrayed same way as Xebec. But he seems ordinary.

Tbf Primebeard himself seems ordinary

 

[Jailer]

How was kaidou wrong when the final villain's interaction against a strong haki was this?

Exactly good point

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Our captain is just around the corner, literally. It wouldnt surprise me if he is already close to Loki etc..
Oda is teasing us permanently.

Let me quote master Beerus:
"He is coming."

The Jiki Jiki no Mi being the reason that Shanks ends up joining the Roger pirates is just another connection that hints at Kid being involved in whatever arc focuses on Shanks

Gaban grandmaster of coc haki and future sight struggling with john's basic magnetic pulls

And people were sayin zoro with random coc haki is able to resist kidd whos awakened his fruit? nah we out here Kidd bros @Pantheos @ReggieZoldyck21 @Lukegranders @Jika @Roo

We already knew this. This isn’t new

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How was kaidou wrong when the final villain's interaction against a strong haki was this?

Because he only reacted that way cause it was Joyboys. It’s like how Kaido reacted more to the presence of Oden in Enma than he did Luffys CoC.

 

[Paperchampion23]

When has Imu called Luffy JoyBoy?

Official VIZ translation and Ragnarok scans of 1125 has Imu say to Saturn "You let Joyboy escape".

TCB is wrong here, its not about "Joyboy letting them escape". He literally calls Luffy Joyboy here, like Zunisha and Emeth do.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Tbf Primebeard himself seems ordinary

That's why I can't be harsh on anybody. All these pirates be looking like bum aside from Xebec (and even then he ended up as Imu slave at the end of this chapter)

 

[mmd]

Sekiro>>>>>>>>ghost of tsushima
For ever

 

[ShadowStyle369]

How was kaidou wrong when the final villain's interaction against a strong haki was this?

Haki transcends all @Sir Yasheen @Roo

 

[Djordje]

Yeah Joyboy was a thing but Davy was roughly introduced with Foxy’s game if I recall correctly. The shame is to repeat exactly Naruto. This is over. I’ll die in shame for having read this Loser of an writer for decades. Shame on me, shame on us.

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Only peak should matter then. What does prime even stands for ? I mean who cares about prime

I care about prime because there is no way to tell when someone was at his peak especially those old generations who dont get much screentime. We can say Luffy G5 barjung gun is his peak for now.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Haki transcends all @Sir Yasheen @Roo

Character having PTSD because he sensed a past enemy’s presence…

Yet you think this is a power statement

 

[Roo]

Haki transcends all @Sir Yasheen @Roo

Joyboy the guy who had the Df Kaido dismissed…

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Character having PTSD because he sensed a past enemy’s presence…

Yet you think this is a power statement

So I guess u think luffy,zoro, current people will not be of that same caliber or stronger

 

[Doggo]

Ehhh they are definitely separate people lol. He calls Xebec "Davy Jones" while he calls Luffy "Joyboy" lol.

Like Cavendish and Hakuba

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So I guess u think luffy,zoro, current people will not be of that same caliber or stronger

I’m sure Luffy will be stronger, but no one else will elicit such a strong reaction from Imu cause they’re not Joyboy…

Let it go the haki conquers all and Roger brought Imu to his knees is dead

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Holding back, Sengoku made a 1 vs 9 despite his devil fruit powers being nullified.

Layleigh was going to attack BB when he had his hands full, risking being petrified, and even then, Layleigh said in His own words that he couldn't handle that BB Rolf

Bro Old Gaban dog walks Prime Sengoku
Chill out

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Tbf Primebeard himself seems ordinary

At least he is there in that panel