Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I feel like people expect Blackbeard to win for some reason lol. Rocks is a narrative tool to allow Teach to become aware of Imu (either through Eris or something else).

He still needs (and is actively looking for) One Piece and Ancient Weapons. As made clear by Whitebeard's death speech, Roger in Oden's Flashback, and even Big Mom and Kaido, you need to conquer the seas (i.e. Get One Piece and learn about Imu/Void Century) in order to topple the World Government.

Blackbeard isnt doing this, because Luffy is doing it lol, it’s his story.
My thoughts exactly, I’m surprised by the depth of Teach’s origins but everything in the story paints him as Luffy’s last pirate rival in the PK race. A race Oda is emphasizing by having characters formally kicked out of it—Kidd, Law.
 
Joyboy also has his own Will

D is either Dawn or Dusk, maybe even a symbol of Half Moon people

But we did find out Will of Davy not Joyboy’s
It that's even his true Will
Xebec only thinks that's the case
Joyboy's will might've been connected to the Nika fruit

D looking like a half moon and Dawn might be one of Oda's mysterious coincidences he likes to write into his story
 
Why was someone weak included on a team against two yonko? Again you’re just saying the same stuff people used to justify scaling killer > Marco and Sanji
:seriously:

Of the characters involved in the Imu attack, Oda immediately separated the character who became PK level after GV out. Whitebeard Roger and Garp. Now it’s literally canon that Shiki is on the same level as Whitebeard and Roger prior to the great pirate era.

It’s not surface level, it’s pretty cut and dry that these characters who became PK level are above the ones who capped at the yonko position.
Stop bringing Marco and Sanjino. Those guys did something productive and doing their jobs that helps the alliance downstairs
GV is a complete different scenario.
Oda likes to draw his future 3 Yonko with strongest people of that era Xebec, Roger and Garp fighting Imu, while everybody are sidelined or do minor activity.
You act as if Shiki and others will do something crazy later and getting more focus.

Your elements to forever put Kaido or Mom below Shiki or even guys like Gaban is baseless headcanon.
"Oh 21 yo Kaido and BM are getting tossed while WB closer to reaching prime has put up some fight, Oda separate PK lvl to mere Yonko lvl🙌"
I see, only if GV rookie Kaido and Big mom have equivalent feats with WB you'll change your opinion?

Oda has done enough justice to especially Kaido in the GV.
Easily believable that the dude at his prime will be a menace and around the lvl of those legendary pirates.
It's Shiki and the other Roger's equal that need better focus and feats at this time not some rookie pirate supposed to be weaker than all these pirates even at his primes.
 
Pretty much this

Admiral jiaga was so irrelevant he was used as a hypetool for civilian Xebec. Had any admiral taken the hits that BM and kaido took getting BFRd they'd die on the spot :josad:
the weakest no name admiral was literally introduced as Xebec's biggest achivement in life

he's not introduced as someone who claimed Whitebeard
not someone who threatened Imu
Hell, he's currently not even known for bitch slapping meme and kaido across the island

his biggest accomplishment is literally killing the weakest admiral (and obviously while using 5 hostages)
 
Stop bringing Marco and Sanjino. Those guys did something productive and doing their jobs that helps the alliance downstairs
GV is a complete different scenario.
Oda likes to draw his future 3 Yonko with strongest people of that era Xebec, Roger and Garp fighting Imu, while everybody are sidelined or do minor activity.
You act as if Shiki and others will do something crazy later and getting more focus.

Your elements to forever put Kaido or Mom below Shiki or even guys like Gaban is baseless headcanon.
"Oh 21 yo Kaido and BM are getting tossed while WB closer to reaching prime has put up some fight, Oda separate PK lvl to mere Yonko lvl🙌"
I see, only if GV rookie Kaido and Big mom have equivalent feats with WB you'll change your opinion?

Oda has done enough justice to especially Kaido in the GV.
Easily believable that the dude at his prime will be a menace and around the lvl of those legendary pirates.
It's Shiki and the other Roger's equal that need better focus and feats at this time not some rookie pirate supposed to be weaker than all these pirates even at his primes.
Why are you trying to portray big mom as some young pirate. She and Whitebeard are close in age and no Whitebeard isn’t “closer to his prime” this is just your headcanon cause you don’t agree with the direction oda took here.

Shiki and the other equals don’t need anything cause we already know everything. All oda needs to do is acknowledge the gap between those deemed as equals to the PK and those who spent twenty years chasing his legacy. And oda did that.
 
Domi Reverso Xebec is nothing less than DEMI-GOD tier for sure

He stomped (bfro'd?) two top tiers and proceeded to low-diff another

Now he's gonna fight arguably the two strongest top tiers of his era besides him, both who have advanced conqueror's

On top of that he's already gotten a mental nerf by resisting control over possession. Oda really can't any Ls to this gigabeast Webec
 
But Luffy doesn't want to be King of the whole World
Because he also has Joyboy's will to liberate.
If Davy Jones was the ancient kingdom's king Xebec's / BB's interpretation of the will of D focuses on his role as the king and
Luffy's on what the ak stood for against the 20 kings+Imu perhaps.

I can see 2 possible scenarios: either Davy&JB were the same person, both the ak king and the Nika user
Or
There was a 3 way conflict akin to today's Imu / BB / Luffy or even the WG/navy/revo constellation.
In this scenario, Davy might not have been a good guy or at least morally grey, similar to Xebec
 
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