Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I thought Xebec would have a moment of clarity where he manages to resist Imu's control to avoid killing Eris and Teach but now that they're gone from the island he might be done for good tbh

 

[OPKnK]

Only way Oda could have had Gaban appear more casual if he was swinging his axe from behind without looking

Oda had Gaban whole flashback nothing was a issue.
Last chapter the man not even got blood or dirt that Oda like to show at least fodder or someone did something lol .

 

[GeneralP123]

Yeah, narrative wise, I get this.

I would have just wanted a little more "recognition" by Oda. I would have likied that even in defeat, Xebec was able to challenge Imu in something.

Instead Imu came, embarassed everybody and left.

Imu is a monster, It's not a powerlevel problem, but I would have wanted that, idk, Xebec wounded him for the first time in centuries. Even if It was just a papercut.

I still hope we kinda get that moment, I hope we will, some kind of last terrifying showing of Rocks.

 

[The DevilMaster]

Without a doubt, they escape god valleys anyways so we know they aint KOd. Imagine fighting a demi-god and living to tell the tale - that's the markings of a GREAT pirate, why Sengoku put these two alongside WB and Garp and Roger as the main contestants of GV

And if the trio do come back to weaken DR Xebec before the final blow... lets js say we warned everybody

Yeah, throwing Kaidou onto a mountain — what’s that going to do to him? Like, that shit wouldn’t even scratch him.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

Not that it would have changed.

At least, Harald would have to have eaten the fruit to change something.

It would, certain motherfuckers milks the plan sometimes

Spoiler: I hate One Piece traitors

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What feats? Threw an attack at imu?
Rocks pirates top 3 are always rocks wb shiki
Meme is just colateral dmg

According to Sengoku the most important Rocks Pirates were WB, BM, and Kaido

Shiki is mentioned alongside John and Wang Zhi

He is still probably a top tier , but his rivalry with Roger looks akin to Kid’s rivalry with Luffy, as in it’s practically nonexistent.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I'll tell you this Bananji this arc is gonna go wild, a rampage like we've never seen before @Owl Ki @Elder Lee Hung @TheKnightOfTheSea @Xione

Bananji might as well put Yoko Yoko in his place. A tragedy will beset Zhao

This is Bananji’s last chance to show us his full strength really, this is the most existential battle for Zhao in Zhao history

Hara really has the chance to show us all of Zhao’s key generals going all out, we’ll see if he follows through with it. I can’t imagine what the logic would be in not letting us see Zhao’s full power unless Riboku just really curb stomps Qin that hard.

I do think as big of a blow as Seika Un delivered, Mouten will save the mountain armies from collapse and the battle will continue. I also think the mountain tribes will be even more bloodlusted after Yotanwa and Danto getting shot, I don’t think this will demoralize them but will only make them more dangerous

 

[Paperchampion23]

The will is to take that world government down. Luffy and Teach are key to it. Xebec successfully passed his will via backshots on Eris.

And Im fine with the idea, but for that to happen, assuming Teach has the "destruction" Zoan fruit and not Loki, Teach still needs to lose first. Because again, the only way either of them challenge Imu requires someone to become Pirate King.

 

[sanjikun]

According to Sengoku the most important Rocks Pirates were WB, BM, and Kaido

Shiki is mentioned alongside John and Wang Zhi

He is still probably a top tier , but his rivalry with Roger looks akin to Kid’s rivalry with Luffy, as in it’s practically nonexistent.

I think Oda emphasized those 3 because they became the future Yonko.

 

[Francher Styles]

Oda himself could come to this forum personally and say "Yes Teach is intended to be the true final villain" and people would still think he's lying and say he was just drunk when he said it

Nah, BB fans are just looking for crumbs to cope and seek validation from others and wherever they can so that BB can be the ultimate villain. What's clear from following this plot is that the big problem has always been Imu, and that he continues to exist today. And that both Joyboy (Luffy/Rocks) and Davy Jones (Xebec/BB) have been other alternate forces that have tried to stop him but have failed.

Only this time, the outcome will obviously change. But everything points to Imu being the great enemy that the entire world needs to defeat in different ways.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

According to Sengoku the most important Rocks Pirates were WB, BM, and Kaido

Shiki is mentioned alongside John and Wang Zhi

He is still probably a top tier , but his rivalry with Roger looks akin to Kid’s rivalry with Luffy, as in it’s practically nonexistent.

Sengoku said that to a bunch of marines who likely weren’t even marines when Shiki was on the sea but actively fought against WB BM and Beast pirates.

 

[sanjikun]

They’re both older than Shanks

Oda is old as hell, he probably thinks a 40 year old is young

I said this before, but there's no formula in One Piece for "peak age". It could be anywhere from 38 (Shanks) to 68 (Big Mom).

At the end of the day, it's just when it's relevant to hit their peak.

 

[Dragon777]

I still hope we kinda get that moment, I hope we will, some kind of last terrifying showing of Rocks.

Same.
Let's hope.

 

[thisnewtechnique]

So, @TheAncientCenturion you are a big fan of Naruto, where two men who are destined rivals and the inheritors of their ancestor's legacy have a mutual enemy in an ancient God-like being who was their ancestor's foe.

And now, here we are in One Piece where...two men who are destined rivals and the inheritors of their ancestor's legacy have a mutual enemy in an ancient God-like being who was their ancestor's foe.

And yet, even with this current flashback practically slapping us in the face saying Teach is as much of a child of fate and destiny as Luffy is...you believe he's just going to bow out the next arc or two?

 

[moreha9685]

And Im fine with the idea, but for that to happen, assuming Teach has the "destruction" Zoan fruit and not Loki, Teach still needs to lose first. Because again, the only way either of them challenge Imu requires someone to become Pirate King.

The PK title is the fame; the ability to unite the entire pirate population against the tyrant WG.

But you don't need to wage war on the WG itself if you only want to usurp IMU, and can find a way to backstab him with all the teleporting and doppleganging DFs you're ammassing.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

That's a serious narrative problem, but not on that front.

Rocks and Roger somehow did the same thing: they give birth/inspired the next gen, which is Luffy for Roger and BV for Rocks; they are the one who are going to do it.

The problem with Rocks is that is plotline about his fight against Imu/teh WG ended so abruptly, without a real conclusion. he didn't issue a final challenge against Imu, he didn't manage to even wound him in the end.
Yes, he was stopped and ended like that only because he wanted to save his family, but I wanted a more respectful ending.

That's fair but Xebecs's character got a better conclusion than any other top tier because his presence was so short. No chance for Oda to mess it up like with Loden

 

[OPKnK]

He still wasn't prepared tho, far from it actually, but willingly sacrificed his goal to save his family.

Even with that the point is rocks did not leave mark in history .
Plus Roger and rocks dreams were very differnt roger did not care about ruling the world .
It took him 19 years find Oden then find laugh tale and OP in 1 year while dying .

 

[HellBlazer04]

And its pathetic and boring

Can't believe Bleach got more slander than these 2. Still my favourite series out of the big 3 of shonen

 

[Blazing Lion]

@Blackbeard @Paperchampion23 all I see is more BB as FV hype with Davy being King of the Wolrd

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

Yes, because Oda is equipping Blackbeard to go after the One Piece has his next big objective & the One Piece is the next big story point; Oda specifically listed characters permeates kicked out of the race for it, unlike ever before.

Blackbeard has three rubbings, a woman who can read them & is scouting out for the burned scar man.

Oda is not going to suddenly drop all these elements to have Teach go after King of the World next. So we’re in a situation—a very real race to be PK—where Luffy and Blackbeard are the front runners and are required to clash if they both want it.

Blackbeard helping against Imu isn’t impossible but I’m not signing onto that when Oda’s pushed Teach towards Laugh Tale too hard for it to be a forgotten plot line. And even then I don’t think he’d be the main villain of the series, just a wannabe Sasuke.

See, you keep forgetting one thing about his personality, however. Teach is a pragmatic, underhanded schemer with a love for power.

So, Luffy finds the One Piece? Well, then he finds Pluton. And for the average pirate, what's more impressive? Treasure or a WMD?

And Luffy wants to fight Imu? That's perfect for him, because he lie in wait and finish them off.