Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

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WB portrayal was doomed the moment it was revealed he was subordinate to Xebec in 957. What happened overall in this flashback was only inevitable judging by how this clown author treats subordinates. Pissleigh and Gabum also some others examples from this fb.
WB portrayal is still top notch .
In the rocks crew he always look like him was him .
It's not like we did not know WB was a subordinate in his younger days.
At least we know is not under some no name pirate.
 
Wait how is rocks talking shit to imu after being turned
because he's the goat?!
As much as I like Xebec, Teach is so much more, far more calculating and shrewd as well as having a unique body and completely different abilities, if anyone has a chance against Imu, it's gonna be him.
You are correct but Teach is even more actually evil than his father whom I'd consider more neutral.
Teach's goal is to recreate his father's plan but do it right this time.
Only that Xebec's plan was already doomed to fail, not because he didn't have the DFs etc but because he followed a wrong approach from the get go.
 
Why are you trying to portray big mom as some young pirate. She and Whitebeard are close in age and no Whitebeard isn’t “closer to his prime” this is just your headcanon cause you don’t agree with the direction oda took here.

Shiki and the other equals don’t need anything cause we already know everything. All oda needs to do is acknowledge the gap between those deemed as equals to the PK and those who spent twenty years chasing his legacy. And oda did that.
You don't need anything that's because you can't find anything more concrete evidence to support it.

WB and Garp are several times stated to be able to match Roger.
It also shows they're equally clashing and no signs of beating each other or definitive victory over the other. There's no complaint
Others ppl on Roger lvl are your headcanon.

If Shiki is equal with Roger by the fact he can match them while Roger got 2 Yonko lvl+ dudes on his crew.
Either Shiki is too powerful on his own or Roger is a fraud. Whatever suits your agenda
 
- Blackbeard has 1 plan, to take over the world.

- To take over the world, as we know it, requires the WG to be taken down.

- To take down the WG, requires one to obtain The One Piece.

- To obtain the One Piece, one must become Pirate King. The ancient weapons are presumably tied to this.

- To become Pirate King, one must reach Laugh Tale

- To reach Laugh Tale, one must claim all 4 Road Poneglyphs.

Teach actively took Law's RPs. Consider the fact that his father made it to the Room of Flowers and still did jack shit to Imu lol. This is my point, something needs to happen before Imu can even be fought. Cutting corners doesnt work, as shown by Rocks.
But Rocks didn't cut corners. He tried to, but didn't gather the DFs he needed, then IMU ambushed him in his hometown before he was ready.

Also, I don't think what's left on Laugh Tale is a weapon left behind by JB to use to topple the WG. I think it's a cultural treasure to restore the AK after IMU is gone.
 
because he's the goat?!

You are correct but Teach is even more actually evil than his father whom I'd consider more neutral.
Teach's goal is to recreate his father's plan but do it right this time.
Only that Xebec's plan was already doomed to fail, not because he didn't have the DFs etc but because he followed a wrong approach from the get go.
That's why I have high hopes for Teach, Rocks is a very cool character, but never gave me the vibes that he can actually succeed.

His biggest success was saving his son, which will in return lead to the usurping of Imu.
 
Larald betrayed him mf, also those are probly the fruits necessary to get Imu in a mess
And its still clearly not the only thing, given the fact that Roger flat out gives up even after finding One Piece, because Shirahoshi was not born yet and evidently "Nika" needed to be revived through Luffy. Beyond this we dont even know what One Piece is or does and how that counters Imu's hold on the world.

There is a specific time, place and objects needed to defeat the WG. And again, this means Blackbeard cant circumvent it, he can only take it all by force. The issue is he'll fail because Luffy will become Pirate King lol.
 
Rocks skipped it, did nothing, believing 2 Devil Fruits (Luffy's and presumably Loki's) is the answer to it, then proceeded to get Domi'ed by Imu and will likely be dead next chapter.

What did any of that accomplish lol
That's a serious narrative problem, but not on that front.

Rocks and Roger somehow did the same thing: they give birth/inspired the next gen, which is Luffy for Roger and BB for Rocks; they are the ones who are going to do it.

The problem with Rocks is that his plotline about his fight against Imu/the WG ended so abruptly, without a real conclusion. He didn't issue a final challenge against Imu, he didn't manage to even wound him in the end.
Yes, he was stopped and ended like that only because he wanted to save his family, but I wanted a more respectful ending.
 
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Are you that attention hungry?

Bestie out of all the character, All of them are Yonkou, or will be in future.

Admirals didn't even know haki at Kaidou age.
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And just think, despite Akainu not knowing Haki at 25, every Admiral still has massively better Haki than Crydo who’s Haki was matched by a rookie Luffy making shit up on the fly at 19
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- Blackbeard has 1 plan, to take over the world.

- To take over the world, as we know it, requires the WG to be taken down.

- To take down the WG, requires one to obtain The One Piece.

- To obtain the One Piece, one must become Pirate King. The ancient weapons are presumably tied to this.

- To become Pirate King, one must reach Laugh Tale

- To reach Laugh Tale, one must claim all 4 Road Poneglyphs.

Teach actively took Law's RPs. Consider the fact that his father made it to the Room of Flowers and still did jack shit to Imu lol. This is my point, something needs to happen before Imu can even be fought. Cutting corners doesnt work, as shown by Rocks.
yep
This flashback show taking down Imu not simple and the VC not simple either .
With VP said he could not choice a side with there being joyboy , davy jones , lily , Imu and 20 kings and a war that last so long .
So much chaos or backstabbing could have happen in VC lol .
 
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You don't need anything that's because you can't find anything more concrete evidence to support it.

WB and Garp are several times stated to be able to match Roger.
It also shows they're equally clashing and no signs of beating each other or definitive victory over the other. There's no complaint
Others ppl on Roger lvl are your headcanon.

If Shiki is equal with Roger by the fact he can match them while Roger got 2 Yonko lvl+ dudes on his crew.
Either Shiki is too powerful on his own or Roger is a fraud. Whatever suits your agenda
We are literally told that Shiki in his prime is equal to Roger and Whitebeard, why would we need more unless you deny the manga?

You can try and say the manga canon doesn’t make sense to you, but it doesn’t discount the canon about these characters.
 
Atleast Roger did something.

Rocks entire being was pointless. He accomplished nothing
Im of the mindset that he was created solely because Oda wanted Blackbeard to the exact opposite ambition of Luffy after becoming Pirate King.

"Pirate King and then...." is the mindset. Luffy has a secret dream, Blackbeard, like his father, want to take back a throne they allegedly had 800 years ago.

But the fundamental issue with this is it means someone must become Pirate King, which its going to be Luffy no matter what lol. People think Blackbeard is going to circumvent this expect Oda to break his ironclad rule about the WG not wanting someone to find the True History and the One Piece itself. Defeating them without this makes this entire point....pointless.
 
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