Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1164 Spoilers Discussion

[Blahmigooo]

That 100% translates to someone who’s equal to WB and Roger? That’s kinda the point of being equal?

Like Kaido and Mom don't know Shiki? And how they don't give him the same portrayal as Roger or WB

You act like Shiki is WB, Roger....a gold medalist that every pirate put them on separate pedestal.
No, he also capped out at "Yonko lvl", a top lvl pirate who fails to topple Roger or WB even tho he actively tries to claim supremacy in the seas

 

[OPKnK]

Imagine Roger being Xebec's subordinate.

We already knew that WB was someone subordinate.
So better it was someone that cool character than some trash no name pirate .

 

[Konstantis]

Let's be honest, Imu was never afraid of Xebec, even when he was thinking that Xebec was Davy himself. But he was afraid of Nika, Same Gunko said.

It seems that Imu has a personal grudge against Davy Clan, but when it comes to fear, he fears only Nika.

@MonsterKaido @Cross_Marian @TheAncientCenturion

 

[sanjikun]

That's too far

WB still has years of experience with his fruit and advanced haki at that point in his life

BB knew the Gura Gura inside and out even at MF. He watched WB using it for 30+ years.

 

[kekaro]

Can scholars tell us who WB defeats after GV to get that giga haki boost in their head?

 

[soupongo]

@Kurozumi Wiwi @EmperorKinyagi @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @soupongo @MarineHQ @Elder Lee Hung @ZenZu @TheAncientCenturion @Sir Yasheen @Jailer @park_min young @Ven437

Is Shiki set up to take an L from Gaban? Based on the spoilers, we know that Shiki now has all the treasure, but we also know that by the end of GV, the Roger Pirates walk away with all the treasure.

Roger is busy with Xebec, and Ray is busy with Shakky, so Waban is the only one left to fight Shiki

Whiki doesn´t have time for the bum in that treasure chest probably

 

[MonochromeYoru]

All the Kaido tards and meme tards who thought it was fake and were so happy lmfao

 

[HellBlazer04]

I just don't see being loyal as being a dog .
Rocks did not order him like a dog to stay and fight .
Being true leader is making choices for your self and WB choses to stay there and put his life on the line with rocks.

In the case of pirates, being loyal is the same as being a dog. You are subservient to the captain if you are a subordinate.
Rocks doesn't need to order WB, because WB already feels indebted to him. The dialogue from 1162 indicates that clearly.

If anything pre time skip WB was more relax as leader .
Since he did not go after BB and let ace do want he wanted which end up with both of them dying .

Preskip WB felt way different than this. His interaction with Shanks clear indication of that

 

[sanjikun]

All the Kaido tards and meme tards who thought it was fake and were so happy lmfao

It was fake. Nothing on GarLing.

 

[comrade]

It's almost like they're not all the same age.

How is that relevant? Even as a rookie, Roger would not have ran errands for another man. Not to mention there is literally just a 3 year age difference between Roger and Whitebeard.

 

[OPKnK]

It really means nothing for waido or BM though. Waido is rookie and way weaker compared to prime self. I really hoped oda would give us a more clear picture of how strong xebec was but now its would be harder given he is amped by domi reversi.

Don't see how this make Kaido or BM look bad.
I don't care what anyone said BM was not in her prime but even prime BM knew she could not take WB.
So we have rocks that Domi so of course he going to beat them .

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

The 4 Yonko crew are the major players. I do think Shanks is dying soon to Teach, that’s just a given.

Yes, but when and where? I dare say it *has* to be Shanks intercepting Teach to get Luffy a shot at Laugh Tale. The drama of Luffy achieving his dream at the lost of his mentor is succinct.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

It was fake. Nothing on GarLing.

Kaido got defeated by collateral diff lmao

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Like Kaido and Mom don't know Shiki? And how they don't give him the same portrayal as Roger..

You act like Shiki is WB, Roger....a gold medalist that every pirate put them on separate pedestal.
No, he also capped out at "Yonko lvl", a top lvl pirate who fails to topple Roger or WB even tho he actively tries to claim supremacy in the seas

Shiki never tried to topple either? He tried to work alongside Roger and when the two couldn’t, they fought to a draw. That’s literally equality.

Shiki is alike WB and Roger. However, he retired before the great pirate era. Trying to dilute him to “yonko level” is so disingenuous as the Yonko are just those chasing Roger’s legacy, Shiki never did so. He matched Roger and fought for a different dream.

Idk why Shiki hurts you so much

 

[sanjikun]

How is that relevant? Even as a rookie, Roger would not have ran errands for another man. Not to mention there is literally just a 3 year age difference between Roger and Whitebeard.

Yeah but there's probably a bigger gap with Xebec too. Xebec is easily 5-10 years older than WB, and clearly an older brother type of figure.

 

[moreha9685]

Again, you are applying rules to Imu who has broken every threshold in this series lol.

- Is Immortal
- Gifts immortality and devil powers to others
- Controls people
- Can create objects similar to Nika

And has literally shown zero limit to doing any of the above even after being jumped by the world's strongest characters together.

IMU either has a DF, or is a pure devil not bound to any fruit or object.
Either way, Oda phrased BB's description of the Yami as being able to affect any devil.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Nah, BB fans are just looking for crumbs to cope and seek validation from others and wherever they can so that BB can be the ultimate villain. What's clear from following this plot is that the big problem has always been Imu, and that he continues to exist today. And that both Joyboy (Luffy/Rocks) and Davy Jones (Xebec/BB) have been other alternate forces that have tried to stop him but have failed.

Only this time, the outcome will obviously change. But everything points to Imu being the great enemy that the entire world needs to defeat in different ways.

Come on, the writing is on the wall here.
How many times have we seen people say that Imu will be dragged off the throne and that Teach/Davy Jones is the true ruler of the world? Do you really think Teach will fail where his father failed?
In these types of stories, they're always written so where two people from the past failed, their descendants will finish the job for them.
That's true for Luffy, and it'll be true for Teach. They're the characters who were specifically shown to be a parallel to Roger/Joyboy/Nika and Xebec/Davy Jones for a reason.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

It really means nothing for waido or BM though. Waido is rookie and way weaker compared to prime self. I really hoped oda would give us a more clear picture of how strong xebec was but now its would be harder given he is amped by domi reversi.

Lmao the COPE

You fuckers were literally claiming kaido was on Xebec's level based on that retarded "you wanna destroy the island" statement. But now kaido is a rookie and weak?

Keep changing your stance to cover kaido's Ls

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Idk how people think the Yami just won't be a crucial part in Imu's downfall. Too deep into the Imu cope

 

[sanjikun]

Lmao the COPE

You fuckers were literally claiming kaido was on Xebec's level based on that retarded "you wanna destroy the island" statement. But now kaido is a rookie and weak?

Keep changing your stance to cover kaido's Ls

Dude, Sengoku called Kaido a "cabin boy" on Rocks' crew (basically what Shanks was to Roger). He said both him and BM got "significantly stronger" since those days.