A kind advice. Stop with this "you are irrational because you make fallacies, therefore I have a better critical thinking mindset" shtix to contradict me. As I explained to you before, I took the same path myself YEARS AGO. I dove very deep into what we call zetetic (the art of critical thinking). I learned the advantage, and I learned why it's a problem. You won't teach me anything about it. Stop and listen.
its not about who makes the most, but if you constantly use them, there is a clear issue with your critical thinking ability since its not rooted in logic.
And well, if you are not willing to listen due to your biases, i cant help you ;D
Again. This game of looking at the fallacies of the opponent is the level 1 of critical thinking and debate. It's time to go beyond and understand what is ethical and what is not. Critical thinking has nothing to do with fallacies. You won't prevent yourself from doing them. Critical thinking is about managing our capacity to absorb/reject specific sets of information. A closed mind is as bad as a fully open one.
Oh ok sorry, I thought your question was asking if there are any humans in heaven
I'm going to bring up some verses and you can see for yourself, in a sense they do, in a sense they don't, something changes but it's not that you stop being yourself
Like, a person who is addicted to drugs, stops being themselves when they let go of drugs, in the sense that they stop being their addicted self, not in the sense that they stop being themselves as their person
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Romans 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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1 Corinthians 13:9-12
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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The Bible compares it to a person growing from a child to an adult
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And I don't really know what to say about this, but there is a fire theme with God, that may have to do with what hell is:
Hebrews 12:29
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
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1 Peter 1:7
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
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Revelation 19:12-13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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This is talking to christians:
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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Look at what it says
Jesus Christ is a consuming fire, and he has eyes as a flame of fire
At the judgement seat of Christ, christians' work get judged
Their works are revealed by fire and the fire tries every man's work of what sort it is
If the work abides, they get a reward, if it gets burned, the person is still saved, yet so as by fire
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Psalms 104:1-4 1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. 2Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Jeremiah 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 20:9 - Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Exodus 3:2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Oh ok sorry, I thought your question was asking if there are any humans in heaven
I'm going to bring up some verses and you can see for yourself, in a sense they do, in a sense they don't, something changes but it's not that you stop being yourself
Like, a person who is addicted to drugs, stops being themselves when they let go of drugs, in the sense that they stop being their addicted self, not in the sense that they stop being themselves as their person
but it is inherent to humans that we have bad desires, so a place where supposedly everyone only has good desires, sounds alot like people are not themselves anymore if they enter that place. It quite literally robs us of being human and fallible?
Logic is part of the process of ethical seeking. That's why my name is Logiko and my pp Shaka and not simply Stella. Ethics and logic work together. But if you only concentrate on one and thus overestimate your critical thinking, you will miss your own biases and create someone like York. This is why, very early in this thread, I talked to you about the danger of Richard Dawkins and his eugenist mindset.
Logic is part of the process of ethical seeking. That's why my name is Logiko and my pp Shaka and not simply Stella. Ethics and logic work together. But if you only concentrate on one and thus overestimate your critical thinking, you will miss your own biases and create someone like York. This is why, very early in this thread, I talked to you about the danger of Richard Dawkins and his eugenist mindset.
1) whatever dude, have fun with your appeals to emotion
2) and i have corrected you on richard dawkins supporting eugenics when all he did was saying that it would work in humans
1) whatever dude, have fun with your appeals to emotion
2) and i have corrected you on richard dawkins supporting eugenics when all he did was saying that it would work in humans
Omfg no you didn't.... Ok you know what? This is useless, you do not seem to have anymore brain space for ethical reasonning or self-critic capacity. I'm talking to a literal talking wall. (and this is an argumentum ad personam btw, this one is free of charge)
but it is inherent to humans that we have bad desires, so a place where supposedly everyone only has good desires, sounds alot like people are not themselves anymore if they enter that place. It quite literally robs us of being human and fallible?
Omfg no you didn't.... Ok you know what? This is useless, you do not seem to have anymore brain space for ethical reasonning or self-critic capacity. I'm talking to a literal talking wall. (and this is an argumentum ad pesonam btw, this one is free of charge)
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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1. All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose
2. Once you are saved you are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
and still no surprise that we again didnt get any explanation of logiko on the topics of the last couple days, and neither did he follow up on his little thought experiment about reactionaries in our families even though i was really curious since i am actually experiencing that. . . .
He did make humans have only good desires, but he also gave them free will to choose whether they would sin or not
No I didn't answer it yet, it's very simple and I will lay out 5 points:
1. Everyone is a sinner
Romans 3:23: ‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God’
2. The punishment for sin is a burning hell
Revelation 21:8: ‘But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death’
3. Jesus died to save your soul from death
Romans 5:8-9: ‘But God commandeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.’
4. You can not earn your way to heaven with good works
Ephesians 2:8-9: ‘For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.’
5. Say that you believe that Jesus died for your sins
Romans 10:9: ‘That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.’
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If you want to I can show you where in the Bible it says that you can not lose your salvation, but this is how you receive it ^
and still no surprise that we again didnt get any explanation of logiko on the topics of the last couple days, and neither did he follow up on his little thought experiment about reactionaries in our families even though i was really curious since i am actually experiencing that. . . .
Yeah. You won't get one with this level a mind this closed. I don't wanna work for nothing this time. Especially when I will just repeat with other words what i've already explained multiple time before. As for the thought experiment, I told you what I know, meaning that to be able to learn something that challenges you, you need to take a leap of faith toward the other person.
no i will happily call out your bs whenever i see it.
i personally think its not ethical at all to alienate half the population and make big accusations against them due to their bad luck of being born in a patriarchal society. but you do you i guess
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