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i mean all of that didnt answer my question. . . so people stop being themselves in heaven?
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that is incredibly cruel of god, ngl
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obviously everyone uses fallacies, but you use them very regularly, without the capability of reflecting upon them.
its not about who makes the most, but if you constantly use them, there is a clear issue with your critical thinking ability since its not rooted in logic.
And well, if you are not willing to listen due to your biases, i cant help you ;D
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that is incredibly cruel of god, ngl
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obviously everyone uses fallacies, but you use them very regularly, without the capability of reflecting upon them.
its not about who makes the most, but if you constantly use them, there is a clear issue with your critical thinking ability since its not rooted in logic.
And well, if you are not willing to listen due to your biases, i cant help you ;D
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A kind advice. Stop with this "you are irrational because you make fallacies, therefore I have a better critical thinking mindset" shtix to contradict me. As I explained to you before, I took the same path myself YEARS AGO. I dove very deep into what we call zetetic (the art of critical thinking). I learned the advantage, and I learned why it's a problem. You won't teach me anything about it. Stop and listen.
Again. This game of looking at the fallacies of the opponent is the level 1 of critical thinking and debate. It's time to go beyond and understand what is ethical and what is not. Critical thinking has nothing to do with fallacies. You won't prevent yourself from doing them. Critical thinking is about managing our capacity to absorb/reject specific sets of information. A closed mind is as bad as a fully open one.
lmao
Again. This game of looking at the fallacies of the opponent is the level 1 of critical thinking and debate. It's time to go beyond and understand what is ethical and what is not. Critical thinking has nothing to do with fallacies. You won't prevent yourself from doing them. Critical thinking is about managing our capacity to absorb/reject specific sets of information. A closed mind is as bad as a fully open one.
lmao
Oh ok sorry, I thought your question was asking if there are any humans in heaven
I'm going to bring up some verses and you can see for yourself, in a sense they do, in a sense they don't, something changes but it's not that you stop being yourself
Like, a person who is addicted to drugs, stops being themselves when they let go of drugs, in the sense that they stop being their addicted self, not in the sense that they stop being themselves as their person
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Romans 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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1 Corinthians 13:9-12
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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The Bible compares it to a person growing from a child to an adult
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And I don't really know what to say about this, but there is a fire theme with God, that may have to do with what hell is:
Hebrews 12:29
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
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1 Peter 1:7
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
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Revelation 19:12-13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
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This is talking to christians:
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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Look at what it says
Jesus Christ is a consuming fire, and he has eyes as a flame of fire
At the judgement seat of Christ, christians' work get judged
Their works are revealed by fire and the fire tries every man's work of what sort it is
If the work abides, they get a reward, if it gets burned, the person is still saved, yet so as by fire
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Psalms 104:1-4
1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. 2Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Jeremiah 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 20:9 - Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Exodus 3:2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
I'm going to bring up some verses and you can see for yourself, in a sense they do, in a sense they don't, something changes but it's not that you stop being yourself
Like, a person who is addicted to drugs, stops being themselves when they let go of drugs, in the sense that they stop being their addicted self, not in the sense that they stop being themselves as their person
.
Romans 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
.
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
.
2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
.
1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
.
The Bible compares it to a person growing from a child to an adult
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And I don't really know what to say about this, but there is a fire theme with God, that may have to do with what hell is:
Hebrews 12:29
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
.
1 Peter 1:7
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
.
Revelation 19:12-13
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
.
This is talking to christians:
2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
.
1 John 3:2-3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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Look at what it says
Jesus Christ is a consuming fire, and he has eyes as a flame of fire
At the judgement seat of Christ, christians' work get judged
Their works are revealed by fire and the fire tries every man's work of what sort it is
If the work abides, they get a reward, if it gets burned, the person is still saved, yet so as by fire
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Psalms 104:1-4
1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. 2Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind: 4Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Jeremiah 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
Jeremiah 20:9 - Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Exodus 3:2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
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why not both? i dont have to throw out logic out of the window when convenient like you are doing.
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but it is inherent to humans that we have bad desires, so a place where supposedly everyone only has good desires, sounds alot like people are not themselves anymore if they enter that place. It quite literally robs us of being human and fallible?
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but it is inherent to humans that we have bad desires, so a place where supposedly everyone only has good desires, sounds alot like people are not themselves anymore if they enter that place. It quite literally robs us of being human and fallible?
Logic is part of the process of ethical seeking. That's why my name is Logiko and my pp Shaka and not simply Stella. Ethics and logic work together. But if you only concentrate on one and thus overestimate your critical thinking, you will miss your own biases and create someone like York. This is why, very early in this thread, I talked to you about the danger of Richard Dawkins and his eugenist mindset.
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ok, christopher hitchens
Omfg no you didn't.... Ok you know what? This is useless, you do not seem to have anymore brain space for ethical reasonning or self-critic capacity. I'm talking to a literal talking wall. (and this is an argumentum ad pesonam btw, this one is free of charge)
Why didnt god just make humans only have good desires on earth?
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ok then, suddenly heaven doesnt really sound that great anymore if i stop being myself.
But just out of curiosity because you didnt answer that one (or maybe i missed it?): how do i get into heaven for free as you claimed?
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ok then, suddenly heaven doesnt really sound that great anymore if i stop being myself.
But just out of curiosity because you didnt answer that one (or maybe i missed it?): how do i get into heaven for free as you claimed?
These are two of God's precious promises:
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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1. All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose
2. Once you are saved you are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Romans 8:28-29
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
.
1. All things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose
2. Once you are saved you are predestinated to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ
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1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.