Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1166 Spoilers Discussion
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Gonna address this first cause that's like the crux of it all. To my mind this kind of gutless-ness is enough to evaluate the marine rank and file as pretty damn terrible people. Like, perhaps this a matter of a cultural difference between Oda and what you may call ethics fostered within current Western society, but this is absolutely enough for a chunk of the fanbase to view marines as a whole as kinda trash.
This is true.
On this paragraph more broadly, I simply don't think we're meant to treat something like Harald's "oh, the marines are overall a force of good" as something totally inscrutable and taken for granted. I don't think he's meant to be totally wrong about this, but I also don't think it fully reflects reality. Harald's opinions on the WG are, let's be fair, somewhat delusional, and the story doesn't forget to make note of that. Just two chapters ago Imu mocked Xebec for it. And while WG isn't exactly the Navy, it's still its most trusty tool, a tool the agenda of which the WG can bend in awful ways at certain moments of "inconvenience".
I think it's more appropriate to consider Harald's platitudes (outside of his pov and within the scope of the story as a whole) as something that would fully represent a Navy that could be, a Navy that someone like Garp (a marine who's exemplary in terms of morality while still being in that kind oh so messy "perhaps-a--bit-too-loyal-of-a-dog" bracket) wants to make possible.
This is true.
On this paragraph more broadly, I simply don't think we're meant to treat something like Harald's "oh, the marines are overall a force of good" as something totally inscrutable and taken for granted. I don't think he's meant to be totally wrong about this, but I also don't think it fully reflects reality. Harald's opinions on the WG are, let's be fair, somewhat delusional, and the story doesn't forget to make note of that. Just two chapters ago Imu mocked Xebec for it. And while WG isn't exactly the Navy, it's still its most trusty tool, a tool the agenda of which the WG can bend in awful ways at certain moments of "inconvenience".
I think it's more appropriate to consider Harald's platitudes (outside of his pov and within the scope of the story as a whole) as something that would fully represent a Navy that could be, a Navy that someone like Garp (a marine who's exemplary in terms of morality while still being in that kind oh so messy "perhaps-a--bit-too-loyal-of-a-dog" bracket) wants to make possible.
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Kaido never got humiliated like Garling did.
And in fact had tons of hype and buildup before the Oden flashback as well. His buildup in fact is unmatched YET in the series, with the entire post TS slowly building him up, culminating in the one shot of "5th emperor" Luffy with his base form.
Even in Oden flashback, Oden had a one up on Kaido, but he still got up and came back for more.
Garling just got stomped inspite of the regen, WHILE he had backup.
Kaido stocks took a dip, while Garling stocks went down by 99%.
And in fact had tons of hype and buildup before the Oden flashback as well. His buildup in fact is unmatched YET in the series, with the entire post TS slowly building him up, culminating in the one shot of "5th emperor" Luffy with his base form.
Even in Oden flashback, Oden had a one up on Kaido, but he still got up and came back for more.
Garling just got stomped inspite of the regen, WHILE he had backup.
Kaido stocks took a dip, while Garling stocks went down by 99%.
Oda has people say a lot of times in the manga that the marines are a force for good .
The rank file just want help but is can't disobey people stronger or high up than them a lot of the time.
One of the first arc is OP about that with axe hand guy and then how town was good back with the marine protecting them.
the marines help loads of people but Oda should have show more along with the evil they do.
Like coby help people but that was off screen , the marines help people after WB dead but that was off screen etc etc etc .
The rank file just want help but is can't disobey people stronger or high up than them a lot of the time.
One of the first arc is OP about that with axe hand guy and then how town was good back with the marine protecting them.
the marines help loads of people but Oda should have show more along with the evil they do.
Like coby help people but that was off screen , the marines help people after WB dead but that was off screen etc etc etc .
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