Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I mean the action of worldbuilding. Not necessarily writing, but creating a coherent world.


Well, I feel the germ of the same obsessive mind yeah, but that's not the reason.

World-building is one of the main reason why I got out of conspirationnism and this is also what pushed me to politicize. Basically, without the need to create fiction, I would also still be talking about ancient astronauts.

A good worldbuilding - nowadays - require the understanding of the world as a global system. Geographically, historically, socially etc. Not as an entirety necessarily, but in its essence. This knowledge then can be reproduced on fictional world to allows for better and more interesting stories.

So when I ask about it, my goal is to know if CoC: Color of Clowns is interested in trying to learn more about the world. Because while all of their theories are fun and whimsical, even in the bad side, they are nothing compared to the complex and beautiful reality of the world. A good worldbuilding will have a very hard time staying a conspiracy theorist.

But I see that they have a health problem, and might be in a dangerous position.. maybe it's not the best idea to completely shift their vision of the world.

I forgot to add the most important:

Worldbuilding (and the need to create a good and progressive fiction through it) is always challenging, so we are constantly questioning ourselves and our biases or knowledge.

This mindset is amazing to politicize and get out of conspirationnist or weird theories.

A simple example: Analyze the political reasons why the time zone are structured the way they are.. then imagine a world with different time zones and different reason for it and consequences. This simple exercice is amazing to challenge our own beliefs.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Mi general augusto Pinochet

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-mortgage-fraud-florida-principal-residences
Beyond parody…where’s the outrage @Ravagerblade? The sitting president is committing fraud in front of your eyes, but tell me more about how Democrats are the ones enabling criminals, I’m sure you’ll craft as flimsy and useless a defense as always

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1997915309403996340

 

[Monkey D Theories]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1997915309403996340

This is true, but only if the journalist is in Palestine

 

[Midnight Delight]

This is true, but only if the journalist is in Palestine

Tbh Fatah and Hamas both Butcher people for showing support for the other party in each other's territory

Like Fatah would literally burn down your house and kill your kids if you posted anything Pro Hamas

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://apnews.com/article/alina-ha...um=push&utm_campaign=2025-12-08-Breaking+News
Crooks defending crooks is standard procedure in the Grand Ole Party, and @Ravagerblade has conveniently disappeared…I keep showing him mine, wonder why he can’t show me his

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trumps...farmers-hit-hard-by-his-trade-war-with-china/
First decent thing he’s ever done for American farmers, and he’ll demand praise and obeisance from the entire country even though all he’s doing is fixing a totally unnecessary problem HE recklessly caused

 

[NAMELESS]

Bump.

 

[NikaInParis]

Members of the Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) party on the Knesset National Security Committee wore noose-shaped pins during a discussion on a bill to execute Palestinian detainees.

 

[Zenos7]

Members of the Otzma Yehudit (Jewish Power) party on the Knesset National Security Committee wore noose-shaped pins during a discussion on a bill to execute Palestinian detainees.

so they support execution by hanging?

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

You say that like I’m experiencing this for the first time…I remember when he would drop the hammer on both sides, but there’s ample demonstrative proof that he’s no longer interested in punishing actual bigots, really disappointing shit from a mod staff that’s already famously incompetent

@AL sama got replaced by the Reptilians, it's obvious /s

Looooooooooooooooool this is very accurate.

Could also put "sex slaves" in for Yacht money, which makes it a lot less funny, and even more accurate.

 

[Roo]

chimpanzees are also a social species and they fucking wage war against other chimpanzees.

the social aspect is within our tribe/in-group, so people can be bad towards other people they dont consider to be part of their tribe/in-group and we are still considered a social species.

humans are inherently violent creatures as we evolved to kill other animals for survival

Doesn't mean we have to be limited to our biological desires. Anybody with a brain knows murder and rape is bad. Arguing against a basic observation of biological inclinations is so stupid when we can easily acknowledge it and just move on

 

[Logiko]

humans are inherently violent creatures as we evolved to kill other animals for survival

Wrong

Doesn't mean we have to be limited to our biological desires.

That you invented.

Anybody with a brain knows murder and rape is bad.

And yet this is something done systematically by very intelligent people.

Arguing against a basic observation of biological inclinations is so stupid when we can easily acknowledge it and just move on

You based your reasonning on fallacious idea. That's not basic observations or reasonning, that's the basis for political missinformation.

 

[Roo]

Wrong

It's literally theorized our brains evolved after we started eating meat...

And yet this is something done systematically by very intelligent people.

Because very intelligent people run simple cost and benefit analysis? You realize you can do bad things for what you might perceive as "greater good?" There are literal philosophical arguments about this

You based your reasonning on fallacious idea. That's not basic observations or reasonning, that's the basis for political missinformation.

I am basing it off intensive anthropological research and thousands of years of observed human history

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Wrong

And yet this is something done systematically by very intelligent people.

is there a gas leak in your house

 

[Logiko]

It's literally theorized our brains evolved after we started eating meat...

I'm talking about the inherence of violence that is false. Killing stuff to survive doesn't make one inherently violent, it's a simple material necessity. You should be careful using evo-psy and pre-neolithical societies to justify bad political takes. Primitive human societies were actually a lot less violent and pushed toward less domination systems than today.

If anything, what prehistoric groups can teach us, it's the value of shared ressources/task and group management through needs.

Because very intelligent people run simple cost and benefit analysis? You realize you can do bad things for what you might perceive as "greater good?" There are literal philosophical arguments about this

Which is exactly what I'm telling you. Violence is not a question of intelligence, it's a question of domination.

As such, people with empathy and intelligence can be violent, rape or murder because they can.

The point is : The problem of violence is not our nature, it's our systems.

I am basing it off intensive anthropological research and thousands of years of observed human history

No. You took anthropology and twisted it to make a point about human nature. Yes the brain most likely developped because of the accesibilities to more calories and a change of diet, but it didn't make us violent. Simply more conscious and intelligent.

is there a gas leak in your house

The first step to understand horrible action in order to stop them is to stop dehumanizing ourselves or the people who commit these actions.

Human who do horrible stuff are human like me and you, not less intelligent and not less wired. While they might dehumanize their victims, they will empathize with their own group just as well as you or me.

So the first step to stop these behavior is to stop treating people who do horrible stuff like monsters that appear out of nowhere and understand that they are every day humans that act based on a combinaison of material interests and behaviors related to domination systems..

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I'm talking about the inherence of violence that is false. Killing stuff to survive doesn't make one inherently violent, it's a simple material necessity. You should be careful using evo-psy and pre-neolithical societies to justify bad political takes. Primitive human societies were actually a lot less violent and pushed toward less domination systems than today.

If anything, what prehistoric groups can teach us, it's the value of shared ressources/task and group management through needs.


Which is exactly what I'm telling you. Violence is not a question of intelligence, it's a question of domination.

As such, people with empathy and intelligence can be violent, rape or murder because they can.

The point is : The problem of violence is not our nature, it's our systems.


No. You took anthropology and twisted it to make a point about human nature. Yes the brain most likely developped because of the accesibilities to more calories and a change of diet, but it didn't make us violent. Simply more conscious and intelligent.



The first step to understand horrible action in order to stop them is to stop dehumanizing ourselves or the people who commit these actions.

Human who do horrible stuff are human like me and you, not less intelligent and not less wired. While they might dehumanize their victims, they will empathize with their own group just as well as you or me.

So the first step to stop these behavior is to stop treating people who do horrible stuff like monsters that appear out of nowhere and understand that they act based on a combinaison of material interests and behaviors related to domination systems..

I will absolutely treat them like monsters?? Why would I treat rapists or murderers like normal, rational people? They're demons.

 

[Logiko]

I will absolutely treat them like monsters?? Why would I treat rapists or murderers like normal, rational people? They're demons

You do what you want personnally. I'm telling you what not to do if you want to stop the problem.

Treating systemic problems as individual problems is the step in the misunderstanding of the world. People who do horrible things are human. Which means that if dehumanize them, you will miss the entire reason why they act the way they do.

Remember when I told you that your vision of systemic racism was flawed? This is the same issue. Your vision individualize problems that are related to oppressive systemic structures, material interests and structures of domination. This can only make you miss the bigger picture.

You must look outside of the individuals toward systems a nd understand the material interests that play in the domination relationships. If you do that, yes, you will be angry at rapist or racists, but your focus will shift and target the domination systems that push these behaviors.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You do what you want personnally. I'm telling you what not to do if you want to stop the problem.

Treating systemic problems as individual problems is the step in the misunderstanding of the world. People who do horrible things are human. Which means that if dehumanize them, you will miss the entire reason why they act the way they do.

Remember when I told you that your vision of systemic racism was flawed? This is the same issue. Your vision individualize problems that are related to oppressive systemic structures, material interests and structures of domination. This can only make you miss the bigger picture.

You must look outside of the individuals toward systems a nd understand the material interests that play in the domination relationships. If you do that, yes, you will be angry at rapist or racists, but your focus will shift and target the domination systems that push these behaviors.

So if someone raped you or heavily assaulted you with the intent of murdering you, you'd still say they're a human being that didn't just do it out of primal motives?

 

[Logiko]

So if someone raped you or heavily assaulted you with the intent of murdering you, you'd still say they're a human being that didn't just do it out of primal motives?

Anger and the urge to seek justice is one thing. But blindly falling into the dehumanization of an individual based on an event is completely different.

That's the difference between a radical leftist and everyone else, as dehumanization is what lead people to stop seeing others as human, even when they have done nothing.

Politicization is not just a tool that make you understand politics. It's a tool that makes you understand the social world to a deep level. So no matter what a person will do to me, I'll never be able to dehumanize them in my mind.

Politicizing allows us to trade dehumanization for solutions.