Speaking of kidnapping too:
https://www.inquisitr.com/mom-stage...eveals-disturbing-reason-behind-chilling-plan
https://www.inquisitr.com/mom-stage...eveals-disturbing-reason-behind-chilling-plan
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I understand. While there is no "absolute truth" in this case, intersectionnal materialism is the framing that allows us the best to understand the world at the moment. The rest is not really viable. See it as leftist having the picture of the entire picture of the puzzle in mind, in the big shapes, while we are all trying to find the pieces and build. It's a attempt of persuasion yes, but a necessary one.
The problem is that settler colonialism, in all cases is passed on even after people are born on the land. It's a form of exploitative and extrative domination, so what was created by ancestor is still happening and still make people on the land colonist. Be it in US or Israel. That's why the only way to stop it, is the path of full reparation and acceptation of the situation.
And. I don't want to accept that. Forum are crumbling because of their own toxicity, not because of the subjects they are talking about.
Basically is like saying "so yeah a man with a virus is dying... so what?" Welll.... get the virus under control if you wanna save the man!
It feels like despite being the one that criticized it the most, I'm the only one who really want(ed) to save this forum
No, this means that you have contradicting beliefs or knowledge at least and you don't see that. And you can tell me "you make assumptions" all you want. I had the SAME contradicting beliefs/knowledge, so I know that at one point they gotta align
There is no such thing as non capitalist nations. All nations, even communists ones are partly capitalist or autoritarian. Communism doesn't exist on this planet as a complete and functionning system for the moment. So cops are used for the state and capitalists interest, just like other capitalists states.
Ok so you are agreeing with me then? Why are we fighting? Why are you constantly contradicting me if you agree with me that cops are part of the problem and responsible in the systemic oppression of people?
if only
yeah I know. I had a lot of contradicting stuff in my mind too when I was young
Nah, there are ways to deal without the police.
It's called class interest. It's basic marxism dude. It's like saying "billionnaire have the interest to stay rich". This is not an assumption it's a material reality. It's a very cold analysis to be honest, I'm not even talking about your values or anything else here, simply the basic interest that come with this class. Unless you tell me that you are on your way out and things could be different then.
Nah, I'm only stating the current material reality of what is the police, nothing more. It contradicts what you believe, yes (and it's good). But that's not because of me. I'm not responsible for this contradiction.
Good, so you are already in the phase where you are actively contradicting the interest of your own class. Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is not something you learned to do in the police, right?
Losing a job.... is part of the deal. You are not alone in protecting the interest of the ruling class. Which means that going against this, (for ex helping thieves) will create conflict, will make you risk your job, will make your risk your social circle and social status. This is what happens when we contradict our own class interests or the social normal of our in-groups. We all have the interest to keep that. Unless..
You don't care about keeping that job.....
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This?
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Or this ?
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One contradicts the other if you wanna change the world and be a leftist, so you tell me. Which one do you keep?
I mean... yeah it's true, but you certainly have an amazing ability to deal with contradicting thoughts.
I would not be able to deal with that myself. I need things to be coherent.
Yeah if you want... but it's true. You have everything to be an even better leftist than I am. With your knowledge, you could transform this forum in a heartbeat if you let that baseless assumptions of leftists like me go.
I'm did not focus on you specifically for no reason. I know that you have an amazing potential. (here, i made it even more cheezy)
The problem is that settler colonialism, in all cases is passed on even after people are born on the land. It's a form of exploitative and extrative domination, so what was created by ancestor is still happening and still make people on the land colonist. Be it in US or Israel. That's why the only way to stop it, is the path of full reparation and acceptation of the situation.
And. I don't want to accept that. Forum are crumbling because of their own toxicity, not because of the subjects they are talking about.
Basically is like saying "so yeah a man with a virus is dying... so what?" Welll.... get the virus under control if you wanna save the man!
It feels like despite being the one that criticized it the most, I'm the only one who really want(ed) to save this forum
No, this means that you have contradicting beliefs or knowledge at least and you don't see that. And you can tell me "you make assumptions" all you want. I had the SAME contradicting beliefs/knowledge, so I know that at one point they gotta align
There is no such thing as non capitalist nations. All nations, even communists ones are partly capitalist or autoritarian. Communism doesn't exist on this planet as a complete and functionning system for the moment. So cops are used for the state and capitalists interest, just like other capitalists states.
Ok so you are agreeing with me then? Why are we fighting? Why are you constantly contradicting me if you agree with me that cops are part of the problem and responsible in the systemic oppression of people?
if only
yeah I know. I had a lot of contradicting stuff in my mind too when I was young
Nah, there are ways to deal without the police.
It's called class interest. It's basic marxism dude. It's like saying "billionnaire have the interest to stay rich". This is not an assumption it's a material reality. It's a very cold analysis to be honest, I'm not even talking about your values or anything else here, simply the basic interest that come with this class. Unless you tell me that you are on your way out and things could be different then.
Nah, I'm only stating the current material reality of what is the police, nothing more. It contradicts what you believe, yes (and it's good). But that's not because of me. I'm not responsible for this contradiction.
Good, so you are already in the phase where you are actively contradicting the interest of your own class. Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is not something you learned to do in the police, right?
Losing a job.... is part of the deal. You are not alone in protecting the interest of the ruling class. Which means that going against this, (for ex helping thieves) will create conflict, will make you risk your job, will make your risk your social circle and social status. This is what happens when we contradict our own class interests or the social normal of our in-groups. We all have the interest to keep that. Unless..
You don't care about keeping that job.....
>>>
This?
>>
Or this ?
>>
One contradicts the other if you wanna change the world and be a leftist, so you tell me. Which one do you keep?
I mean... yeah it's true, but you certainly have an amazing ability to deal with contradicting thoughts.
I would not be able to deal with that myself. I need things to be coherent.
Yeah if you want... but it's true. You have everything to be an even better leftist than I am. With your knowledge, you could transform this forum in a heartbeat if you let that baseless assumptions of leftists like me go.
I'm did not focus on you specifically for no reason. I know that you have an amazing potential. (here, i made it even more cheezy)
Because you keep assuming my values and interests as an individual. You obsessed with the idea that all cops must be liberal or right wing in values, or will adopt liberal or right wing values to continue the job. There is no rule book that dictates that leftists won't ever become a cop, join the military, be an investigator etc.. They are just jobs.
And finally, once again, the police are absolutely mandatory in the current system. This isnt a post-capitalist society; it is a hard right wing capitalist one that breeds criminals by design. Case in point:
Saying the circumstances dont matter and continously punishes the symptoms. Until the problem is fixed, the police are needed to deal with the symptoms.
I know that mate... That's not new info for me, you didn't listen. I know that. What I'm telling you is that believing in leftism doesn't make someone a leftist. That's all. Being on the other side of the barricade makes cops political enemies of leftism in practice. And being on the other side means that there are still values that hold you on. That's all. Nothing complicated or assumed. It's a practical reality.
Not as an individual, as a person belonging to a class with material interests. This is something that is beyond your own belief. Just like my interest right now is to take down psychiatric institutions, yours is to protect the system, even in you do not believe in this principle.
As long that you will be a cop your material interests will be the protection of the system & the ruling class first and foremost by design.
Systems, groups and environment forge people, not the other way around. So being right wing or mildly centrist as a cop is not related to your personnal life in this case, but the environment in which you evolve and the interest of your class. You will be a leftist and thus a REAL ally the moment you will quit and align your beliefs and actions. At least from the pov of an anticapitalist like me.
Yes.. but no, I'm sorry this is specifically why the Police must go. The absolute necessity of the police is a myth. In this system, the police is weapon of capitalism first and foremost. Capitalism relies on the repression. It can't hold without it. It can work without it.
The symptoms "being dealt with by the police" is THE myth. It's not being "dealt with". So no, again, the police is not needed.
The idea that the police is necessary IS PART OF the material interests that I talked about. It's a myth created by the system and the ruling class to push cops to defend and justify their positions and itself. The police must be defund first, the funds reinvested where it matters, then.. the police must go. Repression must not be the answer against the result of marginalization, domination systems and capitalism.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...campaign-funds-see-kid-rock-fec-filings-show/
So she’s an embezzler AND has atrocious taste in music…I’m sure @Ravagerblade will be here real soon to condemn this crime since he’s got such a strong sense of justice and fairness
https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/12...toys-for-children-weeks-before-christmas.html
More devastating news for Ravager…now his mom not only has to explain why his dad still refuses to come visit him for the holidays, he won’t even get a cool toy to soften the blow
So she’s an embezzler AND has atrocious taste in music…I’m sure @Ravagerblade will be here real soon to condemn this crime since he’s got such a strong sense of justice and fairness
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More devastating news for Ravager…now his mom not only has to explain why his dad still refuses to come visit him for the holidays, he won’t even get a cool toy to soften the blow
I know that mate... That's not new info for me, you didn't listen. I know that. What I'm telling you is that believing in leftism doesn't make someone a leftist. That's all. Being on the other side of the barricade makes cops political enemies of leftism in practice. And being on the other side means that there are still values that hold you on. That's all. Nothing complicated or assumed. It's a practical reality.
Not as an individual, as a person belonging to a class with material interests. This is something that is beyond your own belief. Just like my interest right now is to take down psychiatric institutions, yours is to protect the system, even in you do not believe in this principle.
As long that you will be a cop your material interests will be the protection of the system & the ruling class first and foremost by design.
Systems, groups and environment forge people, not the other way around. So being right wing or mildly centrist as a cop is not related to your personnal life in this case, but the environment in which you evolve and the interest of your class. You will be a leftist and thus a REAL ally the moment you will quit and align your beliefs and actions. At least from the pov of an anticapitalist like me.
Yes.. but no, I'm sorry this is specifically why the Police must go. The absolute necessity of the police is a myth. In this system, the police is weapon of capitalism first and foremost. Capitalism relies on the repression. It can't hold without it. It can work without it.
The symptoms "being dealt with by the police" is THE myth. It's not being "dealt with". So no, again, the police is not needed.
"My pov" yes. Your personal view and not the facts and words by defintion.
Anticapitalists can't ally with cops that also not my pov but a necessary praxis. As for me, I'm waiting for you to understand.
Asking all the hard-hitting questions here. Soft-on-crime policies would tell the cashier to let the perpetrator take all the cash at hand and then call the police afterward to deal with the issue. However, chances are, if firearms are involved, that cashier isn't walking away with their life intact.
In the absence of police or an effective deterrent in that particular moment, the two 6'1" robbers in a robbery scenario with magnums out are not going to pause whether to consider the structural violence of capitalism; they're going to prioritze retrieval of cash + blow holes through the chest of that cashier if it's a really unlucky day for him.
In the absence of police or an effective deterrent in that particular moment, the two 6'1" robbers in a robbery scenario with magnums out are not going to pause whether to consider the structural violence of capitalism; they're going to prioritze retrieval of cash + blow holes through the chest of that cashier if it's a really unlucky day for him.
To be honest, any discussion with you is pointless since you always change the goalpost and make assumptions whenever you're wrong. You're the one who always saying you are surprised at what I say, always has to assume, and always forget what I said.
This recent debate has been nothing but you repeating what I said and assuming, cause you always need to find some sort of wrongdoing to cling to and educate someone with your enlightenment(and you yourself admitted to your stubbornness about always wanting to "win")
This recent debate has been nothing but you repeating what I said and assuming, cause you always need to find some sort of wrongdoing to cling to and educate someone with your enlightenment(and you yourself admitted to your stubbornness about always wanting to "win")
What idiot robber would take out someone's eyeballs? They have no use for them. 
Yes I agree with you. We should replace the police with citizen-organized neighborhood watch teams, each of them armed, in fact every citizen should be armed to the teeth so they can defend themselves as well as anyone else in danger. Europe needs a second amendment NOW!
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Yes I agree with you. We should replace the police with citizen-organized neighborhood watch teams, each of them armed, in fact every citizen should be armed to the teeth so they can defend themselves as well as anyone else in danger. Europe needs a second amendment NOW!
The problem is your short sided vision. You don't understand that when I say "defund the police" I only say "defund the police" when in reality I say a lot more things like "create the conditions for crimes not to exist", "destroy domination systems", "end capitalism". Getting rid of the police alone is stupid. This must be done alongside many other political change in society.
As for the evidences, you will understand that it is hard in a capitalist society where the police and the results of capitalism is everywhere to create the condition to understand if getting rid of the police is viable. It's like saying "water is useless to make things grow, it evaporates when we throw it on the ground (that is all in fire)". First you can go look Here you will have a better understanding already.
There is nothing "hard hitting" in these question. It's a dumb question taht apoliticized liberal usually make because they don't understand the root cause of these problematics in the first place and thus they don't understand the value of multi-tasking.
Defund the police, means also destroying capitalism, raising social services, creating the material condition for crimes not to happen.
yea yea sure
Look closer. You miss the important part. You live with unethical contradictions I wouldn't be able to live with. So yeah, I'm surprised. But this only means that I listen and understand your words, something you do not with mine. And here lie the problem. I always work on my shortcomings, but you seems to think you have all of them figured out. Like many of people here, this makes you blind.
As explained. I know & even state my shortcomings. I can adjust and even reflect when I'm wrong or pushy (three lines?). None of you people seems to be able to do this. So it's useless, I can't be the only one to make efforts and reflect. It goes both ways. Sadly.. I've pointed out enough evidence of shortcomings with you. As long as you won't accept self reflection, this will be useless indeed.
As for the evidences, you will understand that it is hard in a capitalist society where the police and the results of capitalism is everywhere to create the condition to understand if getting rid of the police is viable. It's like saying "water is useless to make things grow, it evaporates when we throw it on the ground (that is all in fire)". First you can go look Here you will have a better understanding already.
There is nothing "hard hitting" in these question. It's a dumb question taht apoliticized liberal usually make because they don't understand the root cause of these problematics in the first place and thus they don't understand the value of multi-tasking.
Defund the police, means also destroying capitalism, raising social services, creating the material condition for crimes not to happen.
yea yea sure
Look closer. You miss the important part. You live with unethical contradictions I wouldn't be able to live with. So yeah, I'm surprised. But this only means that I listen and understand your words, something you do not with mine. And here lie the problem. I always work on my shortcomings, but you seems to think you have all of them figured out. Like many of people here, this makes you blind.
This recent debate has been nothing but you repeating what I said and assuming, cause you always need to find some sort of wrongdoing to cling to and educate someone with your enlightenment(and you yourself admitted to your stubbornness about always wanting to "win")
Terrorist attack are the product of domination systems just as much as crime. And they are not stopped by the police, but intelligence agencies. We create our own condition of lack of security. Anticapitalism implies the fight against imperialism, which breeds terrorism. So while it won't stop everything all together, it will reduce the risk. For the rest, we can create defensive alternatives.
It's over for my american dream 
It can’t be solved at once, it’s decades of works. Intelligence service are police too by the way.
It can’t be solved at once, it’s decades of works. Intelligence service are police too by the way.