Break Week Did ZKK not happen due to Oda hating him?
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It was enough to give Kaido PTSD tho
- Zoro should've redeemed Oden by completing the final blow Oden was going to deliver before he failed to subterfuge. Zoro being a pirate should've made that difference where he wouldn't budge on the kill shot.
Oh well. Yamato supposedly redeemed Oden by just existing during the fight. I mean, she didn't. We all hate Oden because he was never really redeemed. If Zoro completed what Oden intended to do, then Oden would've been in better standing. He would've been championing the samurai and piracy at the same time. Since Zoro was pretty anti-climactic with that, so were the samurai.
- Zoro should've redeemed Oden by completing the final blow Oden was going to deliver before he failed to subterfuge. Zoro being a pirate should've made that difference where he wouldn't budge on the kill shot.
Oh well. Yamato supposedly redeemed Oden by just existing during the fight. I mean, she didn't. We all hate Oden because he was never really redeemed. If Zoro completed what Oden intended to do, then Oden would've been in better standing. He would've been championing the samurai and piracy at the same time. Since Zoro was pretty anti-climactic with that, so were the samurai.
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This is pigeonholing the idea a bit. Zoro helping out isn't undermining in itself: he finished Morgan and had the final fight of Thriller Bark, to name just the ones some of us found relevant during Wano. He flat out protected Luffy against Kaido in the first portion of that fight as well... Luffy's never minded that and Zoro sees it as his duty.
I'm saying that Zoro killing Kaido after Luffy defeats him wouldn't have taken away the win from Luffy.
Imagine after Bajarang gun, both Luffy and Kaido are on the ground of the capital exhausted but then Kaido (with white eyes) tries to boro breath the city and Zoro kills him.
This was the scenario that happened with Don Krieg and Gin.
Imagine after Bajarang gun, both Luffy and Kaido are on the ground of the capital exhausted but then Kaido (with white eyes) tries to boro breath the city and Zoro kills him.
This was the scenario that happened with Don Krieg and Gin.
Oda once explained the reason Luffy doesn't kill his enemies. What they represent is a dream, so killing their ambition is the same thing as death.
I think the question then becomes whether someone is hell-bent on their dream and will pursue it even if they're defeated and if they have the means to do it. Kaido existing any further may have implied he was something like a natural disaster that needed to be stopped. Without any dialogue, though, it's just Luffy killing a dude lol
Even Helmeppo himself became much better after his defeat (and Morgan apparently recognized him).
Fair enough, but it doesn't happen like that... 😂
Even Helmeppo himself became much better after his defeat (and Morgan apparently recognized him).
Even Helmeppo himself became much better after his defeat (and Morgan apparently recognized him).
Morgan remained pretty much the same, but his goals couldn't be met anymore for that particular dream that he had previously.
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I don't believe that Oda himself would really have expected these compromises to work for readers. Like throwing a bone by having King make a dragon, lol. It's a case of not doing something but finding a way to say you did.
I think it was an unfounded fear, but a fear nonetheless. Like God forbid Vegeta or Hiei or Saito or whoever asserted themselves right? Then I guess making 90% of the story about the main character would be in vain?
I think it was an unfounded fear, but a fear nonetheless. Like God forbid Vegeta or Hiei or Saito or whoever asserted themselves right? Then I guess making 90% of the story about the main character would be in vain?
Zoro gets mad at Luffy about not being serious enough because he got caught off-guard by Caesar and suggests if that continues they'll get killed and that they can't be doing that in the early stages of the New World.
I feel that if that particular situation happened and Luffy gave Kaido a chance, Zoro would have called him a foolish leader and he may have even said he warned everyone about it when Luffy has gotten them in trouble before.
That was all just speculation. As things stand, Luffy has not failed in that way, so it was just some thoughts I had before ZKK, but he would have cited the Sabaody incident as precedent.
I feel that if that particular situation happened and Luffy gave Kaido a chance, Zoro would have called him a foolish leader and he may have even said he warned everyone about it when Luffy has gotten them in trouble before.
That was all just speculation. As things stand, Luffy has not failed in that way, so it was just some thoughts I had before ZKK, but he would have cited the Sabaody incident as precedent.
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