Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

he was kinda good for france. but also kinda bad.

But there were revolutions after him too.

A country does not simply fix all it's problems with one single revolution. It's a long process.

it's just funny you used probably the most unhinged revolution that lead to a bigger empire as the example lmao

 

[Mathias]

Even if France had a socialist leader, it still was largely a capitalist society. Just like Mandami is a socialist who runs a hyper capitalist city.

France after two or three years came back to capitalism because of its pussy socialist leader.
But it had a real socialist program during the elections and was applying it in the beginning.
Socialism isn't just Yugoslavia and whatnot.
I'm not even trying to make a case for Mitterrand.
But it can very well work with democracy imo.

About Mamdani : he is MAYOR and he has been in office for literally 3 days...

 

[Natalija]

Can you tell me what is scaring you in socialism? Maybe I can clear a few fears

That would take at least two days to write

It doesn't work, it always leads to economic collapse. Companies could never sink due to losses, banks would lent to failing companies, everything depended on the state, then the state went into massive debt to maintain this somehow.

THEN you get inflation and shortages as a consequence. Then the economy collapses. And then you don't have food.

 

[Roo]

France after two or three years came back to capitalism because of its pussy socialist leader.
But it had a real socialist program during the elections and was applying it in the beginning.

Socialism isn't when the goverment does stuff. What exactly do you mean by that?

Socialism's goal is generally the abolition or reduction of commodification

And no, Mamdani will never achieve anywhere near close even as Mayor because American Identity is built upon privatization

 

[Uncle Van]

"This economic system/legislation wouldn't work!"
*uses a dictatorship/authoritarian regime to prove it*

Some things never change

 

[Roo]

"This economic system/legislation wouldn't work!"
*uses a dictatorship/authoritarian regime to prove it*

Some things never change

who's this a response too?

 

[Natalija]

"This economic system/legislation wouldn't work!"
*uses a dictatorship/authoritarian regime to prove it*

Some things never change

Dear Van.

Socialist countries often morphed into authoritarian regimes BECAUSE they needed to enforce economic control.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Capitalism is the most successful economic system out of everything which was tried in history, but if you think of something better, make a suggestion. As long as it isn't socialism.

If a system needs constant population growth to not collapse, it's a bad one.

 

[Roo]

Dear Van.

Socialist countries often morphed into authoritarian regimes BECAUSE they needed to enforce economic control.

Maoism, Marxist-Leninism necessitates a one party rule. It's quite literally a feature of Marxism

 

[Mathias]

Socialism isn't when the goverment does stuff. What exactly do you mean by that?

Socialism's goal is generally the abolition or reduction of commodification

And no, Mamdani will never achieve anywhere near close even as Mayor because American Identity is built upon privatization

Socialism is defined with two words only now ? You don't need to have achieved the goal to be a socialist country.

I didn't say that about Mamdani.

 

[Roo]

Socialism is defined with two words only now ? You don't need to have achieved the goal to be a socialist country.

Words need to have meaning, and socialism has only been defined as "government doing stuff" by right wingers when fearmongering during the red scare era. For the most part my definition follows Marx's because that's what socialism is

Name a socialist country, and tell me why exactly it is one

 

[Natalija]

Maoism, Marxist-Leninism necessitates a one party rule. It's quite literally a feature of Marxism

Yes, it's meant to enforce socialist policies efficiently and so it becomes dictatorial.

Why doesn't everyone know that

 

[Uncle Van]

Dear Van.

Socialist countries often morphed into authoritarian regimes BECAUSE they needed to enforce economic control.

I simply find the tactic of always arguing the absolute worst of a system to prove a point pretty dishonest. That's like saying capitalism cant work at all, and only speak of the most heinous moments from the 1800s to prove it.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

I still dont know if mathias is a snail eater or a kebab eater

 

[Natalija]

I simply find the tactic of always arguing the absolute worst of a system to prove a point pretty dishonest. That's like saying capitalism cant work at all, and only speak of the most heinous moments from the 1800s to prove it.

There's no good example though.

 

[Roo]

I simply find the tactic of always arguing the absolute worst of a system to prove a point pretty dishonest. That's like saying capitalism cant work at all, and only speak of the most heinous moments from the 1800s to prove it.

But like Nat says Socialism requires a vanguard party in order to work

 

[Mathias]

who's this a response too?

You.

I still dont know if mathias is a snail eater or a kebab eater

I eat pork kebab and vomit snails.

 

[Roo]

You.

Then he's wrong and should pick up our favorite book

 

[Mathias]

Then he's wrong and should pick up our favorite book

Lame read. But doesn't say anything about dictatorship. You probably didn't even read it.

 

[Roo]

Lame read. But doesn't say anything about dictatorship. You probably didn't even read it.

Marx quite literally pushes for the abolishment of the state, lenin just brought to its natural conclusion

plus i was being cheeky