Powers & Abilities Do Black Blades Require Conqueror Haki?

There's no need for timelines

Mohawk said PK was above his title. Goofy said wss would be PK underling. And mohawk considered old wb above him as per his comments in mf.

The portrayal is crystal clear. No need to "consider timeline" or whatever bullshit yall wanna use to cope because oda sure as hell wasn't doing that shit.


Lol

So you agree WB with gura is above mohawk.

but then say dodger wasn't strong enough?

Dodger was the equal of prime Gura wb. How is he not strong enough? He's stronger than mohawk by your own admission here.

Make it make sense.
That's not what I mean. Harald > WB = Garp yet WB had the title because of said fruit and mastery of it. Mihawk > Roger because one reached the pinnacle of strength while the other failed.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
But mohawk himself says otherwise. I'll take mohawk's words over yours Nik-san
What did he say otherwise? What are you talking about?
It is a fact that WSM and WSC were obtained long ago and that both were false in the present.

You debunked nothing nik-san.
I did, you simply want the delusions to continue.
Mohawk did not know this. He considered PK to be the superior title to wss.
And the fact that goofy says PK would have wss under him. We know for a fact that goofy considers PK to be strength related.



so yes. We know that pk is also a strength related title.
Wrong, Mihawk never said PK title is superior strength title.
He said it is a more difficult PATH.
You want to make it about strength while we all know it had nothing to do with strength.

No matter how strong you are, if you dont have Oden/Robin, your strength will not make you into PK.
Goofy says something else, he says that he NEEDS a WSS, just like he needs Robin and others.
Without others, there is no PK Luffy because it is a group achievement. Reading comprehension issue as always...

mohawk will be defeated before the final fight against imu.

you are delusion personified nik-san. Nothing i say will change that, i know. But there is one thing that will. That is the story proving you wrong. It did so in spectacular faction when zkk was crumbled down. And it will do so again when we see mohawk is not the end all be all that you guys are propping him up to be.
We will see.
If Mihawk falls before Imu and Oda shows Imu stronger than Mihawk/Zoro, I will admit that I was wrong.
Surely, ZKK didnt end up happening but what did happen showed me that Oda very much intended ZKK to happen.
If other Strawhats have impossible dreams, Zoro's dream also is and that means Mihawk is the strongest in the show.
 
I presume Oda is hinting that the highest form of CoC is forging or weaving it into a physical object, such as a knot, as Joyboy did. Therefore, to forge a black blade is to imbue the sword with physical CoC and then coat it with CoA.
 
I think the explanation is more likely than not going to include some metaphysical and spiritual components and it will go deeper than basic haki based-explanations.
When swords are said to have personalities, fruits have souls inside them and a blade can obtain supernatural powers because it was forged with a lot of "be good at killing"-mantra, it only makes sense to include such things.

I think a crucial aspect will be the relationship between the owner and his blade.
Most "swordsmen" or weapon users only use their weapons as a tool and not live by the blade. Whereas Mihawk and Zoro really live by the blade and follow a specific inverse swordsmen (honor) code even. They really go all in on it.

Imo CoC will be the substance that transfers their will "do not break" on or into their blade. The blade, after accepting them as their master, recognizes their determination and passion and will and therefore slowly adapt to it.
-> The substance with which they protected it through multiple battles will get absorbed and the sword pretty much "evolves" into a permanently CoA hardened blade, merging with the owner's will and power.

Something along those lines. Similar to the concepts of "Zoans choosing their users" and DF awakenings in general.

The participation of CoC explains why non CoC users forged one (otherwise: Vista? Wano folks?) and the importance of the owner's attune to life and their relationship to their blade explain why most other top tier weapon users never forged a blackened weapon (also includes guys like Gaban and WB).

It cannot just be a quantative argument such as "haki often on sword -> sword gets black" otherwise it would be a common phenomenon.
its going to be about this yeah. the black blade gets forged when you carry the will of the sword to its end or something. not the swordsman being happy but the sword itself. like zoro will make wado a black blade by carrying kuina's dream to its end. kuina's soul is probably literally with the sword waiting for it or something.

probably also why green bull seems to have a black blade. his tattoo implies the suicide of his lover and references an old rakugo story about lovers throwing themselves into the river together so he may have carried on his dead wife's will. something like that must have happened with mihawk as well.
 
CoA is the driving force, CoC and the wielder's will and mastery of the sword might be supplementary. Hence blades coated in CoA gain the same features as permanent black blades (color + hardened state). This is further reinforced by the fact Mihawk said that any blade can become a black blade and Zoro would be prohibited from drinking alcohol until he mastered that feat, which he did through CoA, allowing him to drink again.

There is also the Greenbull controversy, where black blade proponents place their hopes on the appearance of Greenbull's blade being reminiscent of a black blade just being an inaccuraccy on Oda's and the official colorizations (e.g. Vivre Card) part.
 
its going to be about this yeah. the black blade gets forged when you carry the will of the sword to its end or something. not the swordsman being happy but the sword itself. like zoro will make wado a black blade by carrying kuina's dream to its end. kuina's soul is probably literally with the sword waiting for it or something.

probably also why green bull seems to have a black blade. his tattoo implies the suicide of his lover and references an old rakugo story about lovers throwing themselves into the river together so he may have carried on his dead wife's will. something like that must have happened with mihawk as well.
if it was that simple there would be numerous black blades, the amount of trauma and the like that happens in the verse daily would have caused many characters to have back blades
 
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