Questions & Mysteries Is Elbaf MUCH older than we think or they also "forgot" ?

[Worst]

So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it! Now sure that's assuming he's a 3rd generation ancient giant, but given how Elbaf's elders are fixated with preserving the royalty's bloodline i wouldn't be surprised if he is....


And yet....even he didn't knew what Elbaf's legendary DF was!

Which is a bit weird cuz you would assume Elbaf fought on JB's side during the void century and someone must've seen this DF in action but even a damn elder of Elbaf didn't seem to know anything about it......

This could mean no one was able to get Ragnir's approval even during the void century and that would also be another reason why Joy Boy lost against the WG cuz they missed this important piece of the puzzle ( which is why Rocks considered it so important and tried to convince Harald so much to join him )

So i wonder if Elbaf simply forgot the history like everyone else or their kingdom is soo much older that maybe no king of elbaf was able to eat the DF in thousands of years ? ( Which is a lot for everyone else but a more " reasonable " time considering giants and ancient giants lifespans )

 

[D. Plant]

So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it! Now sure that's assuming he's a 3rd generation ancient giant, but given how Elbaf's elders are fixated with preserving the royalty's bloodline i wouldn't be surprised if he is....


And yet....even he didn't knew what Elbaf's legendary DF was!

Which is a bit weird cuz you would assume Elbaf fought on JB's side during the void century and someone must've seen this DF in action but even a damn elder of Elbaf didn't seem to know anything about it......

This could mean no one was able to get Ragnir's approval even during the void century and that would also be another reason why Joy Boy lost against the WG cuz they missed this important piece of the puzzle ( which is why Rocks considered it so important and tried to convince Harald so much to join him )

So i wonder if Elbaf simply forgot the history like everyone else or their kingdom is soo much older that maybe no king of elbaf was able to eat the DF in thousands of years ? ( Which is a lot for everyone else but a more " reasonable " time considering giants and ancient giants lifespans )

400 years do not seems like a long time for a giant, but if convert to human years, it will be ~130 which is a long time consider human can live around 70-80 years. This is quite normal consider they do not have scholar to write down history. What they know is purely memory, these memories slowly get less accurate when they pass on to the next person.

However, the problem is not that, even Imu doesn't know about the legendary DF, shouldn't he knows there was a powerful giant with legendary DF exist. He should have noticed a being like that was causing havoc of a scale of massive magnitude. I don't know either he didn't see it on void century or nobody ate it during that time. But funny enough the only person who knows about the DF is Xebec, an outsider.

 

[OykotsTreasure]

Well, we know there's that mysterious old lab that's around 3000 years old that Lilith is exploring. (Chapter 1144). So, Elbaph dates back to at least the First World. According to SBS 113 we know that it is current the year 1541 in the Sea Circle Calendar, and 4131 in the Age of Heaven Calendar. So, that means this facility was built around the year 1131 in the Age of Heaven Calendar, predating a entire calendar system!

And Elbaph is called "The Birthplace of War" (Chapter 1130). I'm expecting that to end up being fairly literal, as Oda likes to be.

So, yeah, Elbpah is at least thousands of years old. Possibly older, depending on what happened during the First World. It's hard to say if Ragnir and the Legendary Devil Fruit are that old, because the Chapter 1138 Mural seems to imply that Devil Fruits weren't created until the time of the Second World. But, maybe the God Fruits are also the First Devil Fruits, and the other Devil Fruits came later? The God Fruits being created during the First World, and the "mass production" of Devil Fruits beginning in the Second World? It's hard to say.

So, chances are, SOMEONE must have eaten that Legendary Devil Fruit before, for them to know it's worth protecting in the first place. But, not for a LONG time. It's possible that only ONE other person has EVER eaten that Fruit before. Someone presumably from the First World. Which is one of the reasons why I think it would make the most sense for the Legendary Devil Fruit to be the Earth God Fruit. We know the Earth God raged during the First World, but wasn't mentioned after that in the Mural, so it'd make sense if that power was "sealed away" in effect. But, we'll see about that.

So, if that Legendary Devil Fruit has only ever been eaten ONCE thousands of years ago, like I think is possible, it'd kind of make sense no one living can remember what it is or what it can do. It would make sense if everyone forgot about it after all that time. But, this is all a lot of speculation with not a lot to go on.

 

[TheD.]

Was confused about that too
,people like jarul should have massive amounts of knowledge about the void century maybe we’ll get more from him when Harlads sword is removed.

 

[Worst]

400 years do not seems like a long time for a giant, but if convert to human years, it will be ~130 which is a long time consider human can live around 70-80 years. This is quite normal consider they do not have scholar to write down history. What they know is purely memory, these memories slowly get less accurate when they pass on to the next person.

However, the problem is not that, even Imu doesn't know about the legendary DF, shouldn't he knows there was a powerful giant with legendary DF exist. He should have noticed a being like that was causing havoc of a scale of massive magnitude. I don't know either he didn't see it on void century or nobody ate it during that time. But funny enough the only person who knows about the DF is Xebec, an outsider.

yeah that as well, i guess Davy Jones figured what Joy Boy missed in order to defeat Imu but he also got defeated before he could gather all he needed like Xebec and he passed down his will & knowledge in the Davy family....

 

[nik87]

This could mean no one was able to get Ragnir's approval even during the void century

This most likely.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Anything is possible when you consider the ancient Kingdoms technology is so highly advanced. It’s completely possible that the Ancient Kingdom wiped the memory of the void century from all people on the planet.

 

[Juanpiz]

Anything is possible when you consider the ancient Kingdoms technology is so highly advanced. It’s completely possible that the Ancient Kingdom wiped the memory of the void century from all people on the planet.

Pudding on steroids

 

[GodofDarkness]

400 years do not seems like a long time for a giant, but if convert to human years, it will be ~130 which is a long time consider human can live around 70-80 years. This is quite normal consider they do not have scholar to write down history. What they know is purely memory, these memories slowly get less accurate when they pass on to the next person.

However, the problem is not that, even Imu doesn't know about the legendary DF, shouldn't he knows there was a powerful giant with legendary DF exist. He should have noticed a being like that was causing havoc of a scale of massive magnitude. I don't know either he didn't see it on void century or nobody ate it during that time. But funny enough the only person who knows about the DF is Xebec, an outsider.

Maybe Elbaf legendary DF is connected to Davey Jones.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Pudding on steroids

Thinking on the line of Vegapunk on steroids since oda named the chapter this was revealed as the “void fortnite”

 

[Juanpiz]

Thinking on the line of Vegapunk on steroids since oda named the chapter this was revealed as the “void fortnite”

Is that some joke i dont get

 

[D. Plant]

Maybe Elbaf legendary DF is connected to Davey Jones.

Probably in some way Davy Jones are descendant of Oars. The triple skulls jolly roger, Oars body found on snowy place, people don't sleep on snowy country, Teach's grandfather looks like a buccaneer, etc..

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Is that some joke i dont get

it referred to the 2 week period that the vegapunks erased from their memories

 

[Juanpiz]

A

it referred to the 2 week period that the vegapunks erased from their memories

And The fortnite stuff

 

[Bigivel]

So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it! Now sure that's assuming he's a 3rd generation ancient giant, but given how Elbaf's elders are fixated with preserving the royalty's bloodline i wouldn't be surprised if he is....


And yet....even he didn't knew what Elbaf's legendary DF was!

Which is a bit weird cuz you would assume Elbaf fought on JB's side during the void century and someone must've seen this DF in action but even a damn elder of Elbaf didn't seem to know anything about it......

This could mean no one was able to get Ragnir's approval even during the void century and that would also be another reason why Joy Boy lost against the WG cuz they missed this important piece of the puzzle ( which is why Rocks considered it so important and tried to convince Harald so much to join him )

So i wonder if Elbaf simply forgot the history like everyone else or their kingdom is soo much older that maybe no king of elbaf was able to eat the DF in thousands of years ? ( Which is a lot for everyone else but a more " reasonable " time considering giants and ancient giants lifespans )

"So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it!", this is not correct. For that to happen Parents would have their children just before their deaths.

Jarul already has a Great Great GrandDaughter, Ylva, that we can assume has the same age as Colon, so 20 years. So when she has 400 years, Jarul "will have" 780 years. There is 5 generation from Jarul to Ylva.

If we assume the same progression for Jarul previous generations, then his Great Great GrandFather "would have" 780 years now. Still not someone that lived in the Void Century.

I would calculate the generations by intervals of 30 years for humans and 90 per Giant(the 3 times more than humans). A father and Mother in average make a kid in there 30-27 years.
From the beginning of the Void century, 900 years ago, until current generations we end up with 10 Generations. At the end of the Void Century we have 9 Generations.

Is very well possible that the information wasn't passed on, and so something that the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great GrandFather knew, isn't known by Jarul.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Void century/ancient kingdom is not the oldest piece of history in the one piece world, only the most recent mystery currently affecting the present.

 

[Worst]

"So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it!", this is not correct. For that to happen Parents would have their children just before their deaths.

Jarul already has a Great Great GrandDaughter, Ylva, that we can assume has the same age as Colon, so 20 years. So when she has 400 years, Jarul "will have" 780 years. There is 5 generation from Jarul to Ylva.

If we assume the same progression for Jarul previous generations, then his Great Great GrandFather "would have" 780 years now. Still not someone that lived in the Void Century.

I would calculate the generations by intervals of 30 years for humans and 90 per Giant(the 3 times more than humans). A father and Mother in average make a kid in there 30-27 years.
From the beginning of the Void century, 900 years ago, until current generations we end up with 10 Generations. At the end of the Void Century we have 9 Generations.

Is very well possible that the information wasn't passed on, and so something that the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great GrandFather knew, isn't known by Jarul.

The grandpa part is just a bonus he is one of the most influential Elbaf's elders they decide who the King can marry and have a child with xD They SHOULD know about it and as others mentioned not even Imu seems to be aware of it....

 

[Bigivel]

The grandpa part is just a bonus he is one of the most influential Elbaf's elders they decide who the King can marry and have a child with xD They SHOULD know about it and as others mentioned not even Imu seems to be aware of it....

Jarul is not one of the Elders, he never was.

He was a Giant Warrior Pirate Co-captain of 2 generations past. Now he is in his reform. He is respected, and in this arc he became the de facto Leader/King.

Imu is not aware of Elbaph secrets, because like Imu said, Elbaph is of the D.
He simply has no idea of the context inside Elbaph. Is not that he doesn't know what Ragnir and Loki devil fruit is(that is to be seen). He just doesn't know nothing about the situation in Elbaph.
He also doesn't know about Loki.
His information of the inner works of Elbaph are basically Nill.
The only important thing that he was able to get from Harald, was the Abyss mark in the Castle, with that now he has a teleportation gate to Elbaph. And he was so afraid of the "unknown" of Elbaph, that he didn't used it for 14 years.

So it does'nt matter if is 800 years ago, or currently. Imu doesn't know what happening and the dealings of the Giants in Elbaph.

 

[D. Plant]

Jarul is not one of the Elders, he never was.

He was a Giant Warrior Pirate Co-captain of 2 generations past. Now he is in his reform. He is respected, and in this arc he became the de facto Leader/King.

Imu is not aware of Elbaph secrets, because like Imu said, Elbaph is of the D.
He simply has no idea of the context inside Elbaph. Is not that he doesn't know what Ragnir and Loki devil fruit is(that is to be seen). He just doesn't know nothing about the situation in Elbaph.
He also doesn't know about Loki.
His information of the inner works of Elbaph are basically Nill.
The only important thing that he was able to get from Harald, was the Abyss mark in the Castle, with that now he has a teleportation gate to Elbaph. And he was so afraid of the "unknown" of Elbaph, that he didn't used it for 14 years.

So it does'nt matter if is 800 years ago, or currently. Imu doesn't know what happening and the dealings of the Giants in Elbaph.

Imu and Joyboy as I assumed they had fought countless of times. Joyboy should be no way fought the enemies all by himself.
Loki has the legendary DF of destroying the world and the world was destroyed.
Imu knows Poseidon, the ancient weapons, and every other races. But to think such DF to have gone unnoticed by Imu is unreal.

Now Imu knows about Loki, his vassal first thing to do in Elbaph was finding Loki.

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

"So Jarul is 400 years old meaning his grandpa was in his very prime during the void century and i guess even survived it!", this is not correct. For that to happen Parents would have their children just before their deaths.

Jarul already has a Great Great GrandDaughter, Ylva, that we can assume has the same age as Colon, so 20 years. So when she has 400 years, Jarul "will have" 780 years. There is 5 generation from Jarul to Ylva.

If we assume the same progression for Jarul previous generations, then his Great Great GrandFather "would have" 780 years now. Still not someone that lived in the Void Century.

I would calculate the generations by intervals of 30 years for humans and 90 per Giant(the 3 times more than humans). A father and Mother in average make a kid in there 30-27 years.
From the beginning of the Void century, 900 years ago, until current generations we end up with 10 Generations. At the end of the Void Century we have 9 Generations.

Is very well possible that the information wasn't passed on, and so something that the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great GrandFather knew, isn't known by Jarul.

On top of that, we also don't really know how long the average giant live. So Jarul's father and grandfather could've lived just 300 years, for example. If they lived less (219 years would be equivalent to 73 human years, which is the average life expectancy of the real world, but it could be even lower considering that Elbaf is historically a nation of warriors), even his great-great-grandfather probably wouldn't have lived in the Void Century.