Fanclub The V̶i̶n̶s̶m̶o̶k̶e̶ Sanji FC: The Prince of love

[PuckTheGreat]

I thought that too but this chapter felt like the setup to the climax, the last chapter had the same feel to the usual climaxes since Arlong park imo

I chalked it up to the option that Heaven realm could be briefly explored like old wano end the end of wanos climax

That's fair ^^ but one ting that hasn't happened yet is Luffy's L.
Since the Grandline started Luffy never wins a fight against the main arc villian on the first try and this is his first bite at the apple with Imu so an L is on the horizon. Franky's ominous words this chapter about the SHs being too strong atm can only mean that Oda is going to be raising the bar coz the current bar is a bit too low for them.

Plus neither Sanji or Zoro getting proper 1 v 1s with Oda deciding to give all the other SHs and weaker allies focus I think means that we are still not yet at the point in the arc where they need to get in their bag.

Also one ting that really stuck out to me this chapter was Sanji's statement "Are these really the Holy Knights that protect Marijoea?"

Seems to imply to me that there is a reason for thier noteority that Sanji is unable to see atm and I think that could potentially be "Shamrock"

We've already seen Bummers and Bellingham's bags and they ain't cutting the mustard so Shamrock is most likely carrying in all likelihood, can see Oda going a Katakuri type route with him - "As long as he's with us, we can't lose" type of deal.

One other thing that has stuck out to me since the Holy Knights introduction has been the fact that they both have "Captain" and "Supreme Commander" titles. Pointed it out at the time but Supreme Commander only really makes sense for a large organisation with multiple divissions.

So given there are 13 contracts like most are speculating it could end up being something like this:
5 Gorosei + 8 Holy Knights with the setup of the holy knights being something like this:
8 members -> 4 each (1 Captain and 3 members) so 2 groups

Could also be that those 13 contractees are all Holy Knights.
So we could have something like this:
1 (General Commander) -> with 12 groups of 4 members each -> with each of those groups having 1 "Captain" so:

Shamrock and 2 other captains.

With those 3 being the main reason why the Holy Knigts are feared.

That would be a good way to raise the tension of the arc and save the Hoiy Knights blushes.



Also one reason why I'm leaning towards the battle extending into Marijoea was this statement from Shamrock.
"If you survive this, come and kill me, I'll be ready for you" which imo is a strong setup for Loki v Shamrock

So still think we have a long way to go in this arc.

 

[Royal Kick]

I care because none of the HKs on Elbaf are actually weak. People here are just being weird about them because they don't like them as much as they like other villains, so they won't give them the same graces they did to others.
Anyone with no bias towards these characters can realize Oda is very obviously setting them up to return and wreak havoc again. There's no reason for him to introduce these characters just for them to actually be weaklings lmfao.
And please don't tell me he'll make Loki get possessed or summon the Gorosei here. The crew obviously can't handle neither of those happening.
There's only one way they can have arc opponents that are actually in their ballpark strength wise.

Can you please stop playing the hate card just because you disagree? I get it's convenient, but it's annoying. Imagine if someone kept calling you an HK wanker because of your stance.

People's issue with the HKs in the first place is that they seem weak, so I don't know why you make it sound like it's just an excuse to hate on them. You think we don't want them to look powerful and threatening?

Gaban aint a cyborg getting non haki power ups.

CoC isn't a fighting style, it represents one's destiny and greatness. That you still don't get this after 1177 chapters is a bit worrying, but I'm pretty sure you're just rage-baiting anyway.

 

[RayanOO]

Poor boy Killingham was ganged by Sanji, Jimbe, Duper Cola Franky and Zeus

the lad is strong but he was never YC1 strong

it was always Gunko > Sommers > Killingham in direct combat

Killing likely didnt use his monsters or his dream abilities against the gang

 

[Killerj]

Poor boy Killingham was ganged by Sanji, Jimbe, Duper Cola Franky and Zeus

the lad is strong but he was never YC1 strong

it was always Gunko > Sommers > Killingham in direct combat

Killing likely didnt use his monsters or his dream abilities against the gang

Any yc1 ganged by these 4 is neg diffed, killinghan is a mystical zoan with crazy hax, he is stronger than yc1's

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Can you please stop playing the hate card just because you disagree? I get it's convenient, but it's annoying. Imagine if someone kept calling you an HK wanker because of your stance.

People's issue with the HKs in the first place is that they seem weak, so I don't know why you make it sound like it's just an excuse to hate on them. You think we don't want them to look powerful and threatening?

CoC isn't a fighting style, it represents one's destiny and greatness. That you still don't get this after 1177 chapters is a bit worrying, but I'm pretty sure you're just rage-baiting anyway.

I say it's hate because it is hate lmao
Look at how people like PuckTheGreat talk about them. That's just plain hate.
Especially since a lot of it is clearly irrational. Sommers isn't a bum just because he got flattened by Luffy and Loki, just like Kidd isn't a bum for being one shot by Shanks (alongside Killer mind you).
It's not that bad for these types of characters to lose to top tiers, y'all just had your expectations too high. That, or again, you just despise the HKS.
No reason to think Sommers can't be, for example, YC2 level just because Old Gaban ran his pockets. Aramaki had Queen and King both tapdancing for him while barely using his fruit against them, for christ's sake.

 

[RayanOO]

Any yc1 ganged by these 4 is neg diffed, killinghan is a mystical zoan with crazy hax, he is stronger than yc1's

Nan King Kata Marco wouldn’t have been neg diffed that way

they all have ways to stay in the fight and all have great fighting skills

Killingham isn’t weak at all but his forte isn’t CQC

 

[Royal Kick]

I say it's hate because it is hate lmao
Look at how people like PuckTheGreat talk about them. That's just plain hate.
Especially since a lot of it is clearly irrational. Sommers isn't a bum just because he got flattened by Luffy and Loki, just like Kidd isn't a bum for being one shot by Shanks (alongside Killer mind you).
It's not that bad for these types of characters to lose to top tiers, y'all just had your expectations too high. That, or again, you just despise the HKS.
No reason to think Sommers can't be, for example, YC2 level just because Old Gaban ran his pockets. Aramaki had Queen and King both tapdancing for him while barely using his fruit against them, for christ's sake.

There's something called "aura". When villains job all the time, it just kills tension and readers don't feel a sense of threat, regardless of whom these villains lose to. If they can't take down top tiers, don't have them face top tiers constantly. It's not rocket science.

It's perfectly justified to be dissatisfied with that, but whatever, call it hate if you want. Let's pretend we weren't hyped about them before Oda started handling them poorly.

Btw, how would a YC2 level character be a big threat when you have 3 SHs who can take them down easily? Even Franky isn't far off that level, given he's probably YC3 level now.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

There's something called "aura". When villains job all the time, it just kills tension and readers don't feel a sense of threat, regardless of whom these villains lose to. If they can't take down top tiers, don't have them face top tiers constantly. It's not rocket science.

It's perfectly justified to be dissatisfied with that, but whatever, call it hate if you want. Let's pretend we weren't hyped about them before Oda started handling them poorly.

The problem is the hate is very shallow. Again, I heard none of this nonsense for Queen being thrown around by Big Mom (don't give me that bullshit about him KOing her with Brachio Bomber either, that was a sneak attack on an already nerfed Big Mom) but when Sommers gets stomped by Luffy and Loki all of a sudden he's a pussy and a bum who'll never amount to anything and would honestly be lucky if he even fought Kung Fu Point Chopper to a standstill?
Come on. It's fine to criticize the writing of the villains but this is really silly and performative. Sommers and Killingham are portrayed just like the Gorosei were in Egghead yet nobody says the Gorosei aren't top tiers. Wonder why it's bad to say Sommers and Killingham are high Commander level, then?
Mmm.. One has to wonder..

Btw, how would a YC2 level character be a big threat when you have 3 SHs who can take them down easily? Even Franky isn't far off that level, given he's probably YC3 level now.

Mostly due to the regen and things like Sommers' thorns

 

[Royal Kick]

The problem is the hate is very shallow. Again, I heard none of this nonsense for Queen being thrown around by Big Mom (don't give me that bullshit about him KOing her with Brachio Bomber either, that was a sneak attack on an already nerfed Big Mom) but when Sommers gets stomped by Luffy and Loki all of a sudden he's a pussy and a bum who'll never amount to anything and would honestly be lucky if he even fought Kung Fu Point Chopper to a standstill?
Come on. It's fine to criticize the writing of the villains but this is really silly and performative.

Queen wasn't jobbing constantly, he felt like a genuine threat. I don't know how you can compare him getting ko'd for 30 seconds to HKs' treatment.

Sommers and Killingham are portrayed just like the Gorosei were in Egghead

They're really not.

Mostly due to the regen and things like Sommers' thorns

Then it's time for these things to actually make a difference. So far, it hasn't been the case.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Queen wasn't jobbing constantly, he felt like a genuine threat. I don't know how you can compare him getting ko'd for 30 seconds to HKs' treatment.


They're really not.


Then it's time for these things to actually make a difference. So far, it hasn't been the case.

Did you forget how Saturn got bullied by most of the people he fought?
Or how Mars did... nothing. Seriously, he did nothing of note, and just got randomly BFRed out of the island. Always found that weird.

 

[Hiragaro]

The problem i have with PoL is, that there would be pretty much no limits to what a person can do.
In Kuma's case, i think it works perfectly fine - his love for his daughter gave him the ability to move and act, when he shouldn't be able too. Very similiar to what love can do it real life, like lifting something you normaly can't in order to help a loved one.
But if you start destroying fucking laser beams, which are impossible to destroy, it begs the question, what is the limit of PoL? At this point Oda could make Sanji literaly do everything that defies logic and just sell it as PoL. Which i think is not a good idea.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The problem i have with PoL is, that there would be pretty much no limits to what a person can do.
In Kuma's case, i think it works perfectly fine - his love for his daughter gave him the ability to move and act, when he shouldn't be able too. Very similiar to what love can do it real life, like lifting something you normaly can't in order to help a loved one.
But if you start destroying fucking laser beams, which are impossible to destroy, it begs the question, what is the limit of PoL? At this point Oda could make Sanji literaly do everything that defies logic and just sell it as PoL. Which i think is not a good idea.

Zoro can cut fire. Sure doing things like popping lasers makes no real sense, but this is still One Piece after all. Multiple characters have done things that could never happen irl.

 

[Royal Kick]

Did you forget how Saturn got bullied by most of the people he fought?
Or how Mars did... nothing. Seriously, he did nothing of note, and just got randomly BFRed out of the island. Always found that weird.

The Gorosei was poorly handled, no doubt, but clearly not to the same extent. All the SHs could do against them was buy time.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The Gorosei was poorly handled, no doubt, but clearly not to the same extent. All the SHs could do against them was buy time.

Ehh, if you say so. I don't really care to argue on this stuff anymore, but just keep the things I've said in mind for the future. I don't believe for a second that the HKs are fodders, it makes no sense, as this has rarely been the case with previous main villains

 

[RayanOO]

The problem i have with PoL is, that there would be pretty much no limits to what a person can do.
In Kuma's case, i think it works perfectly fine - his love for his daughter gave him the ability to move and act, when he shouldn't be able too. Very similiar to what love can do it real life, like lifting something you normaly can't in order to help a loved one.
But if you start destroying fucking laser beams, which are impossible to destroy, it begs the question, what is the limit of PoL? At this point Oda could make Sanji literaly do everything that defies logic and just sell it as PoL. Which i think is not a good idea.

POL is haki

 

[Hedfi]

The problem i have with PoL is, that there would be pretty much no limits to what a person can do.
In Kuma's case, i think it works perfectly fine - his love for his daughter gave him the ability to move and act, when he shouldn't be able too. Very similiar to what love can do it real life, like lifting something you normaly can't in order to help a loved one.
But if you start destroying fucking laser beams, which are impossible to destroy, it begs the question, what is the limit of PoL? At this point Oda could make Sanji literaly do everything that defies logic and just sell it as PoL. Which i think is not a good idea.

Love is a hurricane

Love is CoC, and CoC is love.

 

[Doggo]

Poor boy Killingham was ganged by Sanji, Jimbe, Duper Cola Franky and Zeus

the lad is strong but he was never YC1 strong

it was always Gunko > Sommers > Killingham in direct combat

Killing likely didnt use his monsters or his dream abilities against the gang

You also got gaslit into this 3v1 thing?
xD

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You also got gaslit into this 3v1 thing?
xD

Technically he's saying it was a 4v-

 

[Royal Kick]

Ehh, if you say so. I don't really care to argue on this stuff anymore, but just keep the things I've said in mind for the future. I don't believe for a second that the HKs are fodders, it makes no sense, as this has rarely been the case with previous main villains

Then Oda should do a better job with them. Are you satisfied with the way he's been handling them or it bothers you?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Then Oda should do a better job with them. Are you satisfied with the way he's been handling them or it bothers you?

He's excessive with how much he has people bully them, I don't disagree with that, but I still believe he'll have Sanji fight Sommers and Usopp fight Killingham