Uncle Van

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I mean we also censor political stuff so I don't get how and where he is seeing this "special status" nonsense

also I often criticize religious stuff myself
We censor anything that can fall under the category of "fucking crazy." lol. What Blax said was "fucking crazy." That's all there is too it.

But there's still levels and contradictions with it
 
Should Blax understand that perhaps he comes a little bit too preachy about his belief system and should be careful where he writes it and preach it, especially because this is not a religious thread and he risk antagonizing people?

Yeah. Possibly.

But as long as he is not dehumanizing people for believing something else or not believing at all (which I don't think he has) and that he expresses his critics within the limits of his own belief system (again, to a certain limit). I don't see any problem with his current rethoric.


Not really the same. Saying "your religion is trash" is whole different ballgame than saying "your political spectrum is trash."
Why? Because of sensibility?

Since when are we caring about people's sensibility here? People are still allowed to dehumanize trans people without repercussion, defend racist rethoric and hurtfull belief system. Why should this be different here? Or is protecting the sensitivity of believers more important than respecting the integrity of marginilized people or simple ethics in discourses in front of fascistic rethorics?

Furthermore, I don't believe Blax ever said "your religion is trash", which would be indeed out of line (for some) he said "all other religions are false" (or did I miss something?)


Political beliefs should be rooted in facts which places those who don't use facts under scrutiny. Those who base their entire belief system on lets say...the Republican party, seem more overtly ignorant. Worshipping celebrities or politicians comes off as far more unhinged.

Religion however is not rooted in facts, but faith. People's entire belief system can be completely rooted in their religion, making insults to the religion an insult to the person and vice versa on a much deeper level, and is very understandable historically speaking.
No political beliefs are completely rooted in facts. There is always faith involved. Simply because there is no such things as absolute knowledge. This is why scepticism exist in the first place philosophically.

While we shouldn't insult people, we should be able to say "your religion is wrong". This is a basic and legit criticism.

If we refuse that, then let's stop considering that we are in a place where there are real constructive debates. Because religion would be gaining in essence a special unwarranted superior status.


I mean we also censor political stuff so I don't get how and where he is seeing this "special status" nonsense
Yeah, and your censorship is already non-ethical.

Basically you are choosing which beliefs are ethical to critic and which are not. But I know that in practice, this constantly favors reactionnary thinking.. Be it for the censorship of the critic of religion or for the censorship of the critic of fascists.
 
1 John 5:13

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


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I know where I'm going when I die, I'm going to heaven, because the Bible says if you believe on the name of the Son of God, you have eternal life


You guys don't know, because all other religions are false and based on works
You don’t know

you just have faith in what the Christian Bible says

You only know what happens when you actually die
I don't think he's defending supremacist belief system. He even admitted there's overlap but his argument is there's more to it such as hyper nationalism and this is true.

It's you who is being reductive and diminishing and being aggressive for absolutely no reason.
Certainly there are aspects of Zionism rooted in whatever Logiko said. But it is a Jewish nationalist movement and when folks try to understand it solely through the lens of western politics, it gives them a misunderstanding of Zionism.

Especially since a lot of Israelis aren’t even from the west.

I say Zionism is more akin to Islamic nationalism than white supremacy because both movements are deeply rooted in religion, as opposed to secular race science.

Certainly you have people like Epstein that view jewishness solely through a secular racial lens, but that isn’t really the majority view.
 
Of course and yeah. I can understand if Al wants to say to Blax "do that in another thread mate". That's perfectly valid, this is a political thread and this is out of place.

I'm just explaining that we should not invoke the sensibility of believers to do that. We are all believers to various beliefs, some peacefull other hamfull. Sensibility should not be a shield of protection specific to religious ones. Especially in a political thread.

If Blax starts to dehumanize, ok, that will be another matter, but that's not the case. Mind you, I'm not saying that for him, but for me also.
I believe in bigfoot
 

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Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
I believe in bigfoot
There was a time when I used to believe that it was aliens who visited us in the past and our ancient ancestors perceived those advanced beings as Gods and started worshipping them.

It was after I read that book "Chariots of Gods" and before I took interest in cosmology.
 
But as long as he is not dehumanizing people for believing something else or not believing at all (which I don't think he has) and that he expresses his critics within the limits of his own belief system (again, to a certain limit). I don't see any problem with his current rethoric.
He generalized all atheists as hopeless shitheads living sad existences.

Just sayin
 
Not really the same. Saying "your religion is trash" is whole different ballgame than saying "your political spectrum is trash."
For some their (political) worldview is as important to them as is religion for religious people.

My stepdad who is a crazy conspiracy theorist is as religious about trump/Q/conspiracy nonsense as blax is about christianity, if not more. . . .
 
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