Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

your opinion doesn't matter here

To be fair, that line ^^^ was unnecessary.

Everyone's opinion should matter because that's what forum is all about as long as it remains respectful

 

[Midnight Delight]

Only my religion is true and whatever religion other people follow is false. Only my God can save people and not other people's God in which they believe in

That's kind of the basis of all religions

 

[Reborn]

That's kind of the basis of all religions

Having basis and following it in a way it come across as you are looking down on other people religious beliefs are two different things


I mean I can believe in No God and even discuss or question other people's belief in God but...this doesn't mean I will look down upon them and say their belief is totally false especially when such topics are unverifiable claims and thus no one knows who's right or wrong

 

[AL sama]

To be fair, that line ^^^ was unnecessary.

Everyone's opinion should matter because that's what forum is all about as long as it remains respectful

chup be takle xD

in all seriousness no an user doesn't get to decide if another user did something wrong or not

that's literally what many users tried to do here not just Logiko

 

[Reborn]

chup be takle xD

in all seriousness no an user doesn't get to decide if another user did something wrong or not

that's literally what many users tried to do here not just Logiko

They aren't deciding

They are expressing

Decision at the end remains with the staff

 

[AL sama]

They aren't deciding

They are expressing

Decision at the end remains with the staff

I'm someone who disagrees on pretty much all of religious beliefs and is highly conflictual with them. I'm not saying this to protect these beliefs but to protect free speech to this certain extent. Religion does not have and SHOULD NOT have a special status in this precise context and specific thread

sure but tell me what is this implying??

 

[Reborn]

sure but tell me what is this implying??

He's expressing. I guess he meant that if political stuffs aren't censored based on sensibility or sensitivity then religious talks shouldn't as well.

He's putting up a case or argument here

 

[Midnight Delight]

"Aethalides was the herald of the Argonauts,[6] and had received from his father the faculty of remembering everything, even in Hades. He was further allowed to reside alternately in the upper and in the lower world. As his soul could not forget anything even after death, it remembered that from the body of Aethalides it had successively migrated into those of Euphorbus, Hermotimus, Pyrrhus, and at last into that of Pythagoras, in whom it still retained the recollection of its former migrations.[7]"
@Roo

 

[Logiko]

your opinion doesn't matter here

Still true to yourself I see

Hypocrite

A problem dear?

Actually it's nothing to do with his beliefs or him questioning or discussing other people religious beliefs as well.

It's how he's phrasing few things - "all other religions are false" and "Only Jesus can save you all".

Yeah. I get it. But this is no different than saying this for any other belief system. If this forum is ruled by theocratic principle, announce it.

In the meantimes, I consider that people should be able to criticize beliefs, religious system included, as long as it stays within the limit of humanism (and outside of the ones of dehumanizations or systemic racism).

But atleast don't put things like - Only my religion is true and whatever religion other people follow is false. Only my God can save people and not other people's God in which they believe in

There is no superior status in religion. Again, religion is a belief system like anyother. Don't make my anti-theist side come out.

chup be takle xD

in all seriousness no an user doesn't get to decide if another user did something wrong or not

that's literally what many users tried to do here not just Logiko

We are on a social plateform, having something to say about ethics is the point even if you choose to dissmiss it.


This is not the first time I'm telling you this, this will not be the last. As long as ethics will be smashed on this forum, you will hear about me. It's up to you to decide how to act in regard of these informations.

sure but tell me what is this implying??

This means that religions don't have a special status and like any other belief system they should be criticized within the limit of personnal respect and ethics.

Sayin "x beliefs are false" is a theist and an antitheist stance. Theist because by nature if you believe in a god, you don't believe in any other gods or beliefs systems and antitheist because the opposition to religion is IN ITSELF a belief system that needs to be respected.

By censoring said critics, you therefore censor theists and antitheists and you create a special status for religion that is self dicriminatory.

In the sensitive section, beliefs are meant to be challenged. That's the whole point. No matter if they are useless or extra-important to some people.

It's a question of ethics and principles.

 

[Reborn]

"Aethalides was the herald of the Argonauts,[6] and had received from his father the faculty of remembering everything, even in Hades. He was further allowed to reside alternately in the upper and in the lower world. As his soul could not forget anything even after death, it remembered that from the body of Aethalides it had successively migrated into those of Euphorbus, Hermotimus, Pyrrhus, and at last into that of Pythagoras, in whom it still retained the recollection of its former migrations.[7]"
@Roo

What language is that?

 

[AL sama]

He's expressing. I guess he meant that if political stuffs aren't censored based on sensibility or sensitivity then religious talks shouldn't as well.

He's putting up a case or argument here

we both know what he did lol

 

[Zenos7]

know where I'm going when I die, I'm going to heaven, because the Bible says if you believe on the name of the Son of God, you have eternal life

You guys don't know, because all other religions are false and based on works

you think you know, you dont actually know

This is the most arrogant anyone has ever been in this thread. And i thought humility is important for christians. Smh

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"Aethalides was the herald of the Argonauts,[6] and had received from his father the faculty of remembering everything, even in Hades. He was further allowed to reside alternately in the upper and in the lower world. As his soul could not forget anything even after death, it remembered that from the body of Aethalides it had successively migrated into those of Euphorbus, Hermotimus, Pyrrhus, and at last into that of Pythagoras, in whom it still retained the recollection of its former migrations.[7]"
@Roo

The Greeks and their notoriously small view of the world

 

[Uncle Van]

Perhaps because other religious threads are dead. I don't know.

What I'm saying is not that I mind Blax not being able to express himself on religion on this specific thread. That's indeed a political thread and while I can understand spiritual talk sometimes, their place would be better in other.

What I'm saying is that if the reason for censoring blax is to say "don't say that other's beliefs are wrong" or "respect other's beliefs", I'm not ok with that precisely because respecting other's beliefs is contrary to what this thread is about in it's essence. We are here to debate precisely because we don't agree with other's belief on the way the world work or should work. That's called politics.

I'm someone who disagrees on pretty much all of religious beliefs and is highly conflictual with them. I'm not saying this to protect these beliefs but to protect free speech to this certain extent. Religion does not have and SHOULD NOT have a special status in this precise context and specific thread

Not really the same. Saying "your religion is trash" is whole different ballgame than saying "your political spectrum is trash."

Political beliefs should be rooted in facts which places those who don't use facts under scrutiny. Those who base their entire belief system on lets say...the Republican party, seem more overtly ignorant. Worshipping celebrities or politicians comes off as far more unhinged.

Religion however is not rooted in facts, but faith. People's entire belief system can be completely rooted in their religion, making insults to the religion an insult to the person and vice versa on a much deeper level, and is very understandable historically speaking.

That's why saying this like "my religion is correct and not yours" is more egregious.

 

[Reborn]

Still true to yourself I see


A problem dear?



Yeah. I get it. But this is no different than saying this for any other belief system. If this forum is ruled by theocratic principle, announce it.

In the meantimes, I consider that people should be able to criticize beliefs, religious system included, as long as it stays within the limit of humanism (and outside of the ones of dehumanizations or systemic racism).


There is no superior status in religion. Again, religion is a belief system like anyother. Don't make my anti-theist side come out.



We are on a social plateform, having something to say about ethics is the point even if you choose to dissmiss it.


This is not the first time I'm telling you this, this will not be the last. As long as ethics will be smashed on this forum, you will hear about me. It's up to you to decide how to act in regard of these informations.



This means that religions don't have a special status and like any other belief system they should be criticized within the limit of personnal respect and ethics.

Sayin "x beliefs are false" is a theist and an antitheist stance. Theist because by nature if you believe in a god, you don't believe in any other gods or beliefs systems and antitheist because the opposition to religion is IN ITSELF a belief system that needs to be respected.

By censoring said critics, you therefore censor theists and antitheists and you create a special status for religion that is self dicriminatory.

In the sensitive section, beliefs are meant to be challenged. That's the whole point. No matter if they are useless or extra-important to some people.

It's a question of ethics and principles.

You didn't understand what's the issue with the phrasing.

It's not the beliefs.

It's how he phrased it.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Let’s just keep it simple, you can discuss religion but you can’t convert people.

 

[Reborn]

Let’s just keep it simple, you can discuss religion but you can’t convert people.

You'd be converted to my cult soon.

I will personally come to your place to hand you the "Welcome to bald club" card.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The Greeks and their notoriously small view of the world

Greeks only really knew about his Greek Reincarnations, not his Babylonian ones with Hermes and Noah 1000 years before

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You'd be converted to my cult soon.

I will personally come to your place to hand you the "Welcome to bald club" card.

I’m like Samson, blessed with thick hair. I’ll never be bald like you

 

[AL sama]

Not really the same. Saying "your religion is trash" is whole different ballgame than saying "your political spectrum is trash."

Political beliefs should be rooted in facts which places those who don't use facts under scrutiny. Those who base their entire belief system on lets say...the Republican party, seem more overtly ignorant. Worshipping celebrities or politicians comes off as far more unhinged.

Religion however is not rooted in facts, but faith. People's entire belief system can be completely rooted in their religion, making insults to the religion an insult to the person and vice versa on a much deeper level, and is very understandable historically speaking.

That's why saying this like "my religion is correct and not yours" is more egregious.

I mean we also censor political stuff so I don't get how and where he is seeing this "special status" nonsense

also I often criticize religious stuff myself