General & Others Ace's Story Volume 2(Official English Translation)

#64
Ah well not really the point. It's about how logias have hardly any presence in the NW cause its implied that most die for being cocky and run away after a reality check.
The Guaranteed AOE that logia brings is still a big deal in the New World though, with Caribou's logia being an exception

Maybe Smoker's too but he seems like he never tried to expand his Logia abilities like most other logias did so for all we know he could give an entire country cancer with a smoke mist if he trained enough
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#65
Only if, ur one of those guys claiming shanks without question “only a swordsman”. Despite the man losing his dominant sword hand. He still has plenty portrayal suggesting his still top tier.


If ur someone sensible, an don’t Subscribe to random BS. Zoro can beat mihawk without an *
Shanks is something else than swordsman as much as Mihawk and Zoro are...
There is nothing wrong with story with Mihawk being stronger, it doesnt make Shanks weak or not a top tier, no idea where you got that idea from in the first place...
 
J

Jo_Ndule

#66
If you talk mainly about:
Sheer strength = Kaido
Legacy = WB
Family and Business = Linlin

All 3 are on the same level
With Kaido mostly likely winning 1 v 1 the most, since he can outlast them
Before people try to COMPLETELY turn this into a "my opinion is better than yours" power level war, some key points:

-WB is once again stated to be the only one able to go toe-to-toe with Roger. Roger fought the likes of Garp, Sengoku and Shiki, but WB and Roger seems to be the only true equals.

-Shiki, Roger and WB were the 3 great pirates before the 4 Emperors were a thing. Obviously since WB respected him and was the personal target of Sengoku like Garp for Roger.

-Kaido's position as #1 is still presented as a rumor/uncertain, saying that if you're drinking and telling stories, Kaido is LIKELY to be the 1v1 king. Still nothing definitive while WB is given the rub as the strongest without any hassle. It still places emphasis on his 1v1 combat power however, and even being a candidate for the #1 spot with WB is still getting him over.

-Shanks is difficult to pin down cause unlike the other Emperors, Shanks is constantly moving and is mostly peaceful. Thinks makes gathering intel or even accurate Intel on him difficult.

-The comment about logias usually being lazy or disposed easily is true. Pekoms said it himself when he blew away Caribou and Croc left the NW cause he got beaten down.
When you miss out everything.

Skull goes on to say why each is called strongest. If you are drinking and telling stories (it doesn't mean if you are drunk)
, you would say Kaido is the WSC, BM has strongest family and WB is the WSM because of how he lived. If you say Kaido isn't WSC then wb and BM aren't strongest too

Discard everything said before that Kaido is the strongest combative fighter, 1 v 1 King.
You just nitpick a sentence cause your have a weird thinking.
 
#69
Kaidou, whose existence is frightening by itself...dangerous combative type...invincible in 1 vs 1...so much hype being tainted after Oden flashback hostage PTSD and scabbard snatch incident...
currently viewed as the strongest, the past doesn’t matter. He also didn’t take any hostage, it was all the hag. It was also established by oda himself if you got the right haki you can hurt him. Tho if your ap sucks you won’t do much.
But then again, I don’t expect people to actually read further than their nose.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#70
If you talk mainly about:
Sheer strength = Kaido
Legacy = WB
Family and Business = Linlin

All 3 are on the same level
With Kaido mostly likely winning 1 v 1 the most, since he can outlast them

When you miss out everything.

Skull goes on to say why each is called strongest. If you are drinking and telling stories (it doesn't mean if you are drunk)
, you would say Kaido is the WSC, BM has strongest family and WB is the WSM because of how he lived. If you say Kaido isn't WSC then wb and BM aren't strongest too

Discard everything said before that Kaido is the strongest combative fighter, 1 v 1 King.
You just nitpick a sentence cause your have a weird thinking.
WB was still called the definitive strongest guy in the manga and the novel, while in both the manga and novel, Kaido was not.

In the manga, Law said people say Kaido's the strongest creature with emphasis on being that he's not human. With Kaido's introduction, it was once again presented as a rumor. With WB, he was the only person with the strength to equal Roger and no one questioned his position as the strongest.

In the novel, it was said that Kaido is LIKELY aka, probably or he could be the strongest. It continues the trend of Kaido's title never being stated as absolute and they went beyond that by saying if you're sitting down drinking aka spreading rumors. To take the Kaido title as definitive leads to contradictions.

WB's title was absolute; people are debating on Kaido being the true strongest or not. The very fact that out of all the freakshows at the top of the food chain, Kaido being the only candidate for the strongest is good portrayal for him so I dont see the problem.
 
J

Jo_Ndule

#71
"According to Skull, the pirate-obsessed nerd, in terms of sheer battle power in a one-on-one fight, Kaido was likely the strongest. If you were sitting around drinking, telling stories and debating the merits, you might conclude that Kaido was the invincible "strongest creature alive," while Big Mom had the "strongest family in the world," and Edward Newgate's very life was that of the "strongest pirate alive."
WB was still called the definitive strongest guy in the manga and the novel, while in both the manga and novel, Kaido was not.

In the manga, Law said people say Kaido's the strongest creature with emphasis on being that he's not human. With Kaido's introduction, it was once again presented as a rumor. With WB, he was the only person with the strength to equal Roger and no one questioned his position as the strongest.

In the novel, it was said that Kaido is LIKELY aka, probably or he could be the strongest. It continues the trend of Kaido's title never being stated as absolute and they went beyond that by saying if you're sitting down drinking aka spreading rumors. To take the Kaido title as definitive leads to contradictions.

WB's title was absolute; people are debating on Kaido being the true strongest or not. The very fact that out of all the freakshows at the top of the food chain, Kaido being the only candidate for the strongest is good portrayal for him so I dont see the problem.
You have a weird thinking.

Before skull starts the sentence "if you are drinking and telling stories"
He simply states that when it comes to Sheer battle power /strength, Kaido is the Strongest 1 v 1. The Novel says Kaido existence is dangerous.

That's it. His title isnt a rumour, when Oda himself uses Kaido as WSC in SBs.

Kaido is known as 1 v 1 champ and WSC due to his Sheer strength and Durability (being unkillable)

WB is WSM because he matched Roger (whhen they fought that 3 days battle which wasn't even that serious ) and how he lived his piracy life.

It's the people that calls WB WSM too. Every title is from the people, either WG propaganda or population witnessing your feats
 
#72
Why did Shanks become the one synonymous with the Great Age of Piracy if Mihawk is stronger according to some people?
One guy gathered a crew from all over the world and has gathered territory. The other destroys pirate crews for fun and stays at home and drinks wine in his spare time. Shanks is active and is an actual Pirate, Mihawk is just a strong character who does what he wants.
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So an adult shanks lost his arm in a fight against a sea king and got cut up by a pre-D.F BB. The Yonko are becoming less and less hype everyday.
 
#73
Some people

  • A guy obsessed with Pirates said Kaido is possibly the strongest so he must be the strongest.
  • People say Kaido is the strongest creature. All titles are earned via reputation, his title is absolute.

Also the same people

  • A guy obsessed with SH's considers Zoro the right hand man ----> Bartho doesn't know shit about SH crew.
  • Oda introduced Mihawk as the WSS ----> Mihawk is a fraud. He didn't fight and defeat every swordsman in existence.


:kaidowhat:
Then there is me, who believes this is all true, kaido is the current strongest until proven otherwise, zoro is the right hand man of luffy, and mihawk>shanks by title and relevancy to the story as zoro's dream.
:cheers:
 
#74
Who cares... current Big Mom and Kaido aren’t really even pirates, but they’re still called pirates
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Idk since I don’t pay attention to the Ace novel. However, the people who wrote Strong World, Film Z, and Stampede were also supervised by Oda, and those 3 films are powerscaling nightmares. I take everything with a grain of salt unless it’s in the manga or is a direct statement from Oda
The person who wrote Strong World was literally Oda
 
#75
please don't make this about Shanks and Mihawk .... Shanks have more fame was a clear thing ... but don't make it about power

the fact that Shanks and Mihawk duels are THIS legendary is a respect to both of them

no duel ever been this hype in one piece world ...
and we are talking about YOUNG Shanks and YOUNG Mihawk


No wonder they are saved for the end game


this 2 are most skilled fighter alive and that's massive respect


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"Each of the Four Emperors had such great power that it was nearly impossible for any of them to destroy the others. If any of them actually won such a war, the victory would come at a very high price and leave them vulnerable to the remaining Emperors."


=> people: Teach will win a war Vs Shanks and won't take such a damage that make his war with Luffy like a joke ...

:seriously::seriously::seriously:

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"Whitebeard...That's the only man who could stand toe-to-toe with Roger, King of the Pirates. He's a legendary monster! He's the most powerful man in the world, without a doubt! The man closest to the One Piece!"


=> people : other people were equal or stronger than Roger

:seriously::seriously::seriously:


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If you were sitting around drinking, telling stories and debating the merits, you might conclude that Kaido was the invincible "strongest creature alive,"


=> people : doubt that Kaido is either strongest or among top strongest

:seriously::seriously::seriously:


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"Red-Hair's straight from Roger's lineage...but he doesn't have any desire to carry on his old captain's will and be King of the Pirates."


=> people : Shanks "failed" to be Pirate King

:seriously::seriously::seriously:

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Jo_Ndule

#76
Some people

  • A guy obsessed with Pirates said Kaido is possibly the strongest so he must be the strongest.
  • People say Kaido is the strongest creature. All titles are earned via reputation, his title is absolute.

Also the same people

  • A guy obsessed with SH's considers Zoro the right hand man ----> Bartho doesn't know shit about SH crew.
  • Oda introduced Mihawk as the WSS ----> Mihawk is a fraud. He didn't fight and defeat every swordsman in existence.


:kaidowhat:
Because unlike zoro
Kaido has been stated WSC in sbs and Novels, by different characters in the Manga etc...

Zoro has never been called VC or RH by Oda in the sbs or used as RH/VC
 
#78
The person who wrote Strong World was literally Oda
You got it wrong, Oda wrote in shiki/ garp/sengoku flashback as canon, the rest wasnt advertised as so, this on the other hand is advertised as fully canon. Oda had weekly meetings telling the dude exactly what to write. Oda wants to end one piece in 5 years and i doubt any of this info will ever be mentioned in the manga as thats in the past. Its his way of expanding the universe, its kinda insulting to Oda to see people doubting it like thisé
 
#80
If you fouled Big Mom's mood, she was frightening
Bruh.

Big Mom had the "strongest family in the world
Bruh part II.

Whitebeard and Big Mom were already powerful pirates, with Red-Hair and Kaido in the generation coming up after them
Interesting, so although all three were all part of the ROCKS pirates ... Kaido wasn't as strong as BM ...

Shanks traveled on a diminutive dragon-headed ship called the Red Force
Red Force ha ... interesting.

He's the most powerful man in the world, without a doubt! The man closest to the One Piece!"
So one piece is supposedly closer to whoever has more "power" ... not brains ... "power" ... and this is not strength, power here means influence and Energy and strength.

in terms of sheer battle power in a one-on-one fight, Kaido was likely the strongest.
tell that to ZKK, SKK, LKK, RSKK, YKK and lately, FKK fanbois.
 
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