Chapter Discussion One Piece Chapter 1179: THE ADVENT OF NERONA IMU

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kekaro

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Fn Lucci said:
There's no such thing as bar for bar in OP so I'm not sure what you really want to argue
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I can Come Up with Like the 10 similarities of egghead at the top of my head, including but Not Limited to the Arc structure

Elbaf so far is a Standard saving the Kingdom Arc with Not a single Beat Like sabody so i dont understand where this Idea of it being a remix of sabody comes from, is it supposed to be only about gaban?
 
Fn Lucci

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kekaro said:
I can Come Up with Like the 10 similarities of egghead at the top of my head, including but Not Limited to the Arc structure

Elbaf so far is a Standard saving the Kingdom Arc with Not a single Beat Like sabody so i dont understand where this Idea of it being a remix of sabody comes from, is it supposed to be only about gaban?
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You are thinking that I'm broadly calling arcs the same because I used the names of arcs, when I already said


"Of course those are all speaking on 1:1 and that's not how a remix works... take the Sentomaru/Kizaru/Kuma trio being at the chronological equivalent of Thriller Bark and so on. But we're going to get pretty much all of the beats reintroduced."

I mentioned arcs by name because it would take way too long to explain exactly which beat falls where, and it's not all that important to know where they fall so much as the idea that they're reintroduced.

Sabaody ended with the defeat of the straw hats as a turning point for the crew. I don't think Elbaf is Sabaody or that they'll actually face a defeat like that but Imu presents a road block that they can't overcome without a development in a similar manner.
 
kekaro

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#543
Fn Lucci said:
You are thinking that I'm broadly calling arcs the same because I used the names arcs, when I already said
"Of course those are all speaking on 1:1 and that's not how a remix works... take the Sentomaru/Kizaru/Kuma trio being at the chronological equivalent of Thriller Bark and so on. But we're going to get pretty much all of the beats reintroduced."

It would take way too long to explain exactly which beat falls where, and it's not all that important to know where they fall so much as the idea that they're reintroduced.

Sabaody ended with the defeat of the straw hats as a turning point for the crew. I don't think Elbaf is Sabaody or that they'll actually face a defeat like that but Imu presents a road block that they can't overcome without a development in a similar manner.
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I see thx for the explanation i personally Not really See it
 
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kekaro said:
I see thx for the explanation i personally Not really See it
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By no means do I have anything I'm suggesting as certain, except thus far Luffy's had zero incentive to know anything about the world around him. "People are hungry and sad because of Kaido, I gotta punch him."

But the same way Gaban chastised Zoro, I think you can only get so far in a narrative without intention before it's a disservice. Imu already defeated a version of Luffy with much stronger Haki and an understanding of how the world works. Luffy's never going to be smart or well informed, but there has to be a bare minimum of appreciation for the story as the main character.
 
kekaro

kekaro

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Fn Lucci said:
By no means do I have anything I'm suggesting as certain, except thus far Luffy's had zero incentive to know anything about the world around him. "People are hungry and sad because of Kaido, I gotta punch him."

But the same way Gaban chastised Zoro, I think you can only get so far in a narrative without intention before it's a disservice. Imu already defeated a version of Luffy with much stronger Haki and an understanding of how the world works. Luffy's never going to be smart or well informed, but there has to be a bare minimum of appreciation for the story as the main character.
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I dont know myself, elbaf in its core is a traditional arc but alot of the gritty nitty stuff isnt

Only thing i knew is shanks demise is soon on the clock
 
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#546
kekaro said:
I dont know myself, elbaf in its core is a traditional arc but alot of the gritty nitty stuff isnt

Only thing i knew is shanks demise is soon on the clock
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I have no idea how things end for Shanks. For all I know, Luffy pulls up in a dinghy and beats him to death with an oar.

He's definitely been using Luffy and probably living vicariously through his success. He also seems to be using Loki. But I don't think his Joyboy like schemes really substitute for Luffy not knowing anything at all about his own power or role. Rather than making him self sustaining it actually adds to the argument that he's carried
 
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