Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1183 Spoilers Discussion

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Ven437

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Shiroyru said:
Didn’t Kuma also state his air cannons are light speed lol?

You can argue that Kizaru is moving at whatever Oda visualizes to be light speed in his head, but that doesn’t mean he’s actually traveling at irl light speed
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Shiroyru said:
Didn’t Kuma also state his air cannons are light speed lol?

You can argue that Kizaru is moving at whatever Oda visualizes to be light speed in his head, but that doesn’t mean he’s actually traveling at irl light speed
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Kizaru upscale = Wiji Vinsmoke upscale, the only other canonical light speed character
 
soheilhazrat

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Apollo said:
WCI was nearly a decade ago, but I do remember that Oven's body heated when he used his fruit.
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Thats true but i think how much he can heat up depnds on his matery over his DF rather than tolerance, similar to for example, luffy being able to stretch more the more mastery he has over his fruit
 
Zoinks52

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soheilhazrat said:
Or maybe you guys can finally read the manga and realize the reason why sanji doesnt hit women isnt cause he is a smip its cause he doesnt want to disappoint his dad
If zeff said stop beating men then he'd give uo fighting all together
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I don't care about why he does it; the problem is that it's really a very big ridiculous restriction and not a very believable one at this point when there's rain goddesses and giant spider ladies abound who are very much threats.

I just don't really care for it, simp or father's wishes or whatever.

I guess the one positive is that it differentiates him from other fighters a bit so there's that.
 
soheilhazrat

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Zoinks52 said:
I don't care about why he does it; the problem is that it's really a very big ridiculous restriction and not a very believable one at this point when there's rain goddesses and giant spider ladies abound who are very much threats.

I just don't really care for it, simp or father's wishes or whatever.

I guess the one positive is that it differentiates him from other fighters a bit so there's that.
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Its simple Sanji would rather die than make his dad disappointed whats so unbelievable about this? Same way zoro would rather die than have scar on his back
 
LemonadeCandy

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comrade said:
Yeah, hence i guess it doesn't matter that Ragnir's ice is unbreakable. Kuzan's ice doesn't need to be unbreakable, because once you turned into a chunk of ice by Kuzan, you wished to be unbreakable. Just look at how Jozu's arm broke off accidentally by falling to the ground after the freeze. At the same time, Kuzan's cold is potent enough to cover Akainu's body in scars through his awakened Magma fruit. With Haki equalized, this is as potent as it can get in terms of cold.
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I think we are supposed to understand that the limitation of Kuzan's deep freeze is that he has to be in direct contact with his opponent for at least a few seconds to perform it. This would explain why he needed an actual clean opening before freezing Jozu. All of his other moves, the long distance ones in particular, just encase people in a thick layer without actually stopping their metabolism (at least not immediately).

As you pointed out, Ragnir just has a very broken version of Kuzan's surface freeze moves. Gunko could theoretically be saved by simply hitting the block hard enough while someone deep frozen by Kuzan would have to be slowly thawed since hitting them would shatter their whole body.
 
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CoC: Color of Clowns

"You know, MonsterZoro predicted all of this?"
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IMO you can break out of Ragnir's ice with a few things:

1. Mythical Flame. Mother Flame, Flame of Love, etc.

2. Devil Fruit. Why give Teach the Gura? So he can break the ice.

3. Haki from within the ice. Imu used his Haki/Maki to attack the ice. But that was him, not the person in the ice, Gunko. If the person in the ice has strong enough Haki, you get this.

 
Zoinks52

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soheilhazrat said:
Its simple Sanji would rather die than make his dad disappointed whats so unbelievable about this? Same way zoro would rather die than have scar on his back
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Well to be perfectly frank I don't think Zoro's feels much like an actual restriction/nerf unlike Sanji's, but I could be wrong.

It's whatever to me either ways. I've just never liked the "thou shalt not like strike a woman" self-nerf very much. It's a personal preference.
 
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comrade said:
Dunno if it's as easy. Combining elements gives them new properties, but it doesn't mean it is inherently superior to the source elements. And Kuzan's DF was equal to Akainu's in the literal sense.

And yes, logia awakening remains to be seen. Kuzan passively turning Punk Hazard into frozen wasteland with permanently changed weather is crazy in itself. Who knows how far an awakened cold fruit could go.

The fact Vegapunk couldn't replicate logias while he could with the Azure Dragon also demonstrates their complexity.
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Zoans were clearly created by extracting DNA from Animals and Mythical Beings.

So... would Logias be the Lineage Factor of Elemental Lifeforms?

Fire sprites, water nynphs, etc?

If all the Logias are actually Mythical Zoans in disguise, everyone will be soooooo mad.

But Devil Fruits are created through lineage factor.

Paramecias are easy because you can get the Lineage Factor from just chemical composition. Like the dice dice fruit. You just need to alter lineage factor so that it can turn into metal. That really isn't that crazy with the science we've seen in this series.

I think Logia Fruits came from taking the Lineage Factor from Elemental Beings like Zaza.
 
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