Current Events Is Toei right or is Toei wrong (Sanji vs Drake and P1)
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How is it different. You believe Sanji showed inferioriry to Drake....and I believe Sanji showed superiority to P1. Yet you condemn one option and choose to believe the other. If its impossible for Sanji to defeat Drake....because you believe one of his tricks showed that he was superior to Sanji. Then its equally impossible for Sanji to run away from P1, because Sanji has said he will defeat him and has shown superiority. Not only that but P1 is destroying a city and harming women along with it. Its illogical for Sanji's character to run away....no matter who shows up.
Pageone isnt strong for Sanji. Sanji doesnr acknowledge him at all, and believes he P1 cant do shit to Usopp and Nami.
Yes cause it makes logical sense for an Ancient Zoan to take longer than 2 weeks to heal. And it also makes sense for Sanji to know how these works....lmao.
I love how you point out Sanji is a liar....yet Im still waiting for your man to round up the Samurai.
Yes lets forget Toei. As Toei is the only thing that confirmed your theory lmao. Forget Toei and you aint got shit son.
Pageone isnt strong for Sanji. Sanji doesnr acknowledge him at all, and believes he P1 cant do shit to Usopp and Nami.
Yes cause it makes logical sense for an Ancient Zoan to take longer than 2 weeks to heal. And it also makes sense for Sanji to know how these works....lmao.
I love how you point out Sanji is a liar....yet Im still waiting for your man to round up the Samurai.
Yes lets forget Toei. As Toei is the only thing that confirmed your theory lmao. Forget Toei and you aint got shit son.
But it's not ignored, you know that you can account for it and not be extreme in regards to what it implies, right ? Like i said, if you are a member of the WG, it means you get to play a significant role in the story. We've seen that with Law in PH and DR, Capone in WCI, and a bunch of them in Wano.
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
But it's not ignored, you know that you can account for it and not be extreme in regards to what it implies, right ? Like i said, if you are a member of the WG, it means you get to play a significant role in the story. We've seen that with Law in PH and DR, Capone in WCI, and a bunch of them in Wano.
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
Was Whos Who/Sasaki already with Drake and Hawkins when they all first appeared...pre Sanji vs P1. No the group was Hawkins, Drake and P1. Then P1 magically left for some reason even though it would make no sense for him not to be there if he was healthy.
The Team was Hawkins/Drake/P1. Nobody else joined in....but P1 magically left. Bringing up the other Flying Fighters is irrelevant because this was the specific group made to hunt Sanji.
He needs to pretend hes pissed off.....or else everyone else knows hes a traitor. Why would he risk being suspicious when the mission is so dangerous. You seriously think Drake will pretend to take it lightly.
Anyways lmao I dont know why your denyinf this when were shown that Drake is literally pissed at Sanji. Hes either pissed at Sanji beating P1 or pissed that he defeated Kyoushiro's men. Other than that. Drake has no reason to be "fake" angry. So you pick which one makes logical sense.
The Team was Hawkins/Drake/P1. Nobody else joined in....but P1 magically left. Bringing up the other Flying Fighters is irrelevant because this was the specific group made to hunt Sanji.
He needs to pretend hes pissed off.....or else everyone else knows hes a traitor. Why would he risk being suspicious when the mission is so dangerous. You seriously think Drake will pretend to take it lightly.
Anyways lmao I dont know why your denyinf this when were shown that Drake is literally pissed at Sanji. Hes either pissed at Sanji beating P1 or pissed that he defeated Kyoushiro's men. Other than that. Drake has no reason to be "fake" angry. So you pick which one makes logical sense.
Did toei even show Sanji actually defeating drake? Zoans have high endurance and many of them, such as Queen and Ulti, have easily recovered from being fully knocked out.
But did Sanji even knock out Drake? Anyways, the manga shows that Drake>=Sanji, I highly doubt the anime would deviate this much from that. I think Sanji simply kicked Drake to the ground but that drake was fine afterwards.
This is a much more reasonable assumption to "Sanji can low diff drake"
But did Sanji even knock out Drake? Anyways, the manga shows that Drake>=Sanji, I highly doubt the anime would deviate this much from that. I think Sanji simply kicked Drake to the ground but that drake was fine afterwards.
This is a much more reasonable assumption to "Sanji can low diff drake"
Because they knew that few episodes later they will have X Drake say that Sanji should not think he is as weak as Page One, and then make Sanji kick his ass, which tells us that Sanji is that much stronger without having to go through with defeating Page One in their previous encounter ?
And they knew that Page One will return in Onigashima, and given the premise of this discussion he will be in good enough shape to fight Usopp, since they knew the match-ups.
And they knew that Page One will return in Onigashima, and given the premise of this discussion he will be in good enough shape to fight Usopp, since they knew the match-ups.
I guess I can agree with that. However that still wouldnt explain why P1 took a vacation straight after the fight.
Why wouldnt he be fake angry at Sanji when he literally has Sanji right in front of him. He literally has a second chance to capture him.
P1 failing the first time wouldnt make anyone logically angry...or in this case pretend to be angry. Something must have happened to P1....for Drake to pretend to care.
Why wouldnt he be fake angry at Sanji when he literally has Sanji right in front of him. He literally has a second chance to capture him.
P1 failing the first time wouldnt make anyone logically angry...or in this case pretend to be angry. Something must have happened to P1....for Drake to pretend to care.
But it's not ignored, you know that you can account for it and not be extreme in regards to what it implies, right ? Like i said, if you are a member of the WG, it means you get to play a significant role in the story. We've seen that with Law in PH and DR, Capone in WCI, and a bunch of them in Wano.
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
What it does not do is disqualify anyone outside of the WG from being superior to a WG member in certain aspects, such as individual strength, or even notoriety.
Well it is factual that Sanji is considered by the World Govermnet to be a bigger threat than Zoro, Hawkins, X Drake, Killer, Bonney or Urouge.
When it's factual that Sanji's threat level according to the WG can be higher than half of the Worst Generation members at this point, why couldn't his individual strength also be higher than that of a number of Worst Generation members ?
Well the only answer is that some people would not like that. Nothing in the story establishes that Sanji is not allowed to be stronger than X Drake or almost any other member of the WG, which is why Toei are comfortable in showing Sanji do well against X Drake.
It also probably helps that Toei likely know who fights who at the end of the arc. So if Oda told them that Zoro and Sanji each defeat a calamity, they are fine with having Sanji perform well against lesser Beast Pirates
What did Sanji do in WCI warrant him being stronger than any supernova/WG ??
177 million increase due to being a Strawhat (Dressrosa) - not present thanks to Luffy, Zoro, & Usopp.
Another increase thanks to his father and switched to "Alive".
330 million - Additional increase due to being a Vinsmoke and no longer affiliated with the World Government and taking part in Big Mom investigation.
See what i mean nothing from Sanji himself increased his bounty compared to the supernova its all earned on their own — all the more he shouldn't be compared to them
Look man here is how it is.
Are there questions to be raised on both sides? Yes because Oda has handled the situation poorly (what a surprise huh?)
But thing is questions on the pro-Page One defeated side are more valid
-Page One's defeat being made a big deal should have happened
-It should have made a high light
-Someone should have commented
-Page One upon seeing Sanji should have said something
That's just how things generally are done because Wano is an arc where littlest of things make highlights and characters often comment on their defeats or someone else does.
Page One not being in bath house could be his own choice. He doesn't have to be at bath house, whose to say he didn't decide that he's done and left?
But reality is you are making a positive claim. Generally when you claim someone is defeated, you have to provide concrete evidence for it. When off panel defeats happens, Oda always comments on them to make sure defeats indeed happened unless the issue is to be expanded on later down the line.
Are there questions to be raised on both sides? Yes because Oda has handled the situation poorly (what a surprise huh?)
But thing is questions on the pro-Page One defeated side are more valid
-Page One's defeat being made a big deal should have happened
-It should have made a high light
-Someone should have commented
-Page One upon seeing Sanji should have said something
That's just how things generally are done because Wano is an arc where littlest of things make highlights and characters often comment on their defeats or someone else does.
Page One not being in bath house could be his own choice. He doesn't have to be at bath house, whose to say he didn't decide that he's done and left?
But reality is you are making a positive claim. Generally when you claim someone is defeated, you have to provide concrete evidence for it. When off panel defeats happens, Oda always comments on them to make sure defeats indeed happened unless the issue is to be expanded on later down the line.
But he is compared to them, through the number on his bounty. The WG compares their threat and believe Sanji's threat to be more significant.
You can say that you don't like how Sanji got his bounty, but the fact still is that the bounty is there. In the same manner, you can say that you don't like how Sanji gets to be stronger than members of the WG with the RS for example, because it was given to him or whatever, but Oda can still do it and have that be the case.
Well Luffy used G4 on a Number, and Franky one shoted on as well so
You can say that you don't like how Sanji got his bounty, but the fact still is that the bounty is there. In the same manner, you can say that you don't like how Sanji gets to be stronger than members of the WG with the RS for example, because it was given to him or whatever, but Oda can still do it and have that be the case.
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Well Luffy used G4 on a Number, and Franky one shoted on as well so
No it shouldnt....because Oda literally doesnt want to state what happened. How can you expect Oda to write people to address what happened, when he himself is constantly hiding the details. Weve had many several times...but he wants to keep it a secret. So your only argument literally only has to do with Oda being weird about the entire sitiuation.
If Sanji defeated P1 off-panel, then logically the people would also be addressed about the situation off-panel as well.
Pageone couldve easily stood outside the Bathhouse. But why wasnt he at the location ?
And how about Yasui's death ? Look dude you cant argue your way outta this.
Ive already said this:
Pro P1 not getting defeated:
- Oda is weird: Since Oda off-panalled it and every mention of what actually happened.
Pro P1 getting defeated:
- P1 became irrelevant for 2 weeks. Things he shouldve logically done and places he shouldve been at. Never happened.
- He disappeared from the manga for 50 chapters
- Oda is weird: Can also be used for pro Sanji defeated P1
- Drake is fake angery for some reason
- The village that P1 attacked isnt in danger anymore. And all threat of P1 is gone
- Sanji is at ease and isnt worry about anything P1 could do
- Sanji sees him as fodder that Usopp can handle.
Its literally obvious. But of course just pick whatever you want.
If Sanji defeated P1 off-panel, then logically the people would also be addressed about the situation off-panel as well.
Pageone couldve easily stood outside the Bathhouse. But why wasnt he at the location ?
And how about Yasui's death ? Look dude you cant argue your way outta this.
Ive already said this:
Pro P1 not getting defeated:
- Oda is weird: Since Oda off-panalled it and every mention of what actually happened.
Pro P1 getting defeated:
- P1 became irrelevant for 2 weeks. Things he shouldve logically done and places he shouldve been at. Never happened.
- He disappeared from the manga for 50 chapters
- Oda is weird: Can also be used for pro Sanji defeated P1
- Drake is fake angery for some reason
- The village that P1 attacked isnt in danger anymore. And all threat of P1 is gone
- Sanji is at ease and isnt worry about anything P1 could do
- Sanji sees him as fodder that Usopp can handle.
Its literally obvious. But of course just pick whatever you want.
That's not how it works .. but lets use this logic.
Usopps current bounty is 200 million. (Due to the events at Dressrosa)
Urouge who has confirmation that he has defeated a Commander of Big Moms is at the moment sitting at 108 million bounty (we're not sure if the marines are aware of his fight so his bounty could still be 108)
Should Usopp be sitting with the Supernova's as well ??
Usopps current bounty is 200 million. (Due to the events at Dressrosa)
Urouge who has confirmation that he has defeated a Commander of Big Moms is at the moment sitting at 108 million bounty (we're not sure if the marines are aware of his fight so his bounty could still be 108)
Should Usopp be sitting with the Supernova's as well ??