Future Events Can Luffy become pirate king without being Top 1 in the verse?

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You wrote this entire essay yet you started off with the wrong premise.

Do you even know what King of Pirates means to Luffy? How many times does Luffy himself have to reiterate he isn't trying to become King of anything, PK title is a statement of freedom for him.

And what about Roger? Did the whole world bow down to Roger when he became PK?

Luffy just wants to become PK and to become PK he just has to go to Raftel, that is literally it.

He never claimed he wants to be strong enough to maintain his reign has a PK because such reign doesn't exist.

Its not the same title as Emperor of the sea lmao, neither does a PK particularly needs territories though I guess Oda will end up giving Luffy Territories anyways.

All you need to do to become PK is make it to Raftel that is literally it.

Idk how you failed to understand something so fundamental in years of reading One Piece.

What kinda imaginary world are you imagining post Raftel?
Do you think entire world would become his territory? Does he become emperor of the whole world?

That's farthest from PK.

These are the set definitions of Pirate King given to us
-Roger become King of Pirates by journeying the whole Grand Line and reaching final Island Raftel
-Roger told the world they can become PK by getting his treasure
-Luffy wants to become Pirate King by making it to Raftel

Roger was not recognized as strongest man in the world in his entire life. Garp and WB are canonical rivals of his. Even Shiki, Sengoku and Rayleigh are more or less considered same level as him.


Like for real lmao, wtf do you think PK title is?

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And YES IF BUGGY LANDED IN RAFTEL, HE WOULD BECOME PK.

What is aacknowledgement of PK? Roger sneaked into Big Moms territory? What kinda acknowledgement do you think Big Mom gave her?
Do you think WB acknowledged him as his superior?

Lmaoo for real, this is ridiculous argument

I love how you just completely ignore the bit about Big Mom and Kaido going to find the One Piece together, and then fight to the death afterwards.

So explain to me, who becomes Pirate King if they find it together? By your logic, they both do.

And yes, Luffy views the Pirate King as the freest man on the sea. So also explain to me why you acknowledge that aspect of his dream, and yet completely disregard his statement that he needs to be able to defeat the Yonko's and Admirals in order to become King of the Pirates? There is an awful lot of selective reasoning going on here.

And you guys keep talking like you know what exactly Roger went through in his Journey to become Pirate King, when we honestly barely know anything.

I think the best part of all this though is you guys using the same arguments that you vehemently argue against when it comes to Mihawk and not fighting all the strongest swordsmen on the sea to gain his title. You wanna bring up the fact that Roger never fought Big Mom in a serious fight (who was pregnant mind you, so it's understandable why he wouldn't want to fight her) but will be quick to jump to defend Mihawk's title the second someone brings up the fact that he's never fought the likes of Rayleigh or Fujitora.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Yes, luffy can become pirate king if he manages to find one piece. This is why ussop said that the crew can be PK without needing to fight yonkou

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I love how you just completely ignore the bit about Big Mom and Kaido going to find the One Piece together, and then fight to the death afterwards.

So explain to me, who becomes Pirate King if they find it together? By your logic, they both do.

And yes, Luffy views the Pirate King as the freest man on the sea. So also explain to me why you acknowledge that aspect of his dream, and yet completely disregard his statement that he needs to be able to defeat the Yonko's and Admirals in order to become King of the Pirates? There is an awful lot of selective reasoning going on here.

And you guys keep talking like you know what exactly Roger went through in his Journey to become Pirate King, when we honestly barely know anything.

I think the best part of all this though is you guys using the same arguments that you vehemently argue against when it comes to Mihawk and not fighting all the strongest swordsmen on the sea to gain his title. You wanna bring up the fact that Roger never fought Big Mom in a serious fight (who was pregnant mind you, so it's understandable why he wouldn't want to fight her) but will be quick to jump to defend Mihawk's title the second someone brings up the fact that he's never fought the likes of Rayleigh or Fujitora.

You understand that the appeal of becoming PK is actually finding One Piece right and to the world One Piece is Roger's treasure.

Its literally like a race, and who ever makes it to raftel first and claims that treasure becomes Pirate King.

Did you seriously read One Piece for last nearly 1000 chapters and failed to understand something so fundamental and basic?

Like how is it even possible?

You understand to the world of One Piece, One Piece is just some extraordinary treasure that the entire world is trying to get its hands on?

Tell me you don't actually believe PK is an actual position of authority like Yonko title? Where a PK has a massive territory that he rules, almost like a Kingdom?

If Big Mom and Kaido find that (in their minds) what is an extra ordinary treasure, idk they can divide it half. Idk what kinda deal they have made, but that seems the only way it can work because its an alliance of equal standing.

Appeal of PK is finding One Piece Treasure, that's what got the whole world excited. The show is called One Piece for a reason, hence why even Whitebeard reignited that hunger in Pirates by saying One Piece (which in eyes of the world is Roger's treasure) exists.

And yeah Luffy wants to defeat Yonkou and Admirals because they will come in his way, they will stop him.

Roger unlike Luffy was willing to take short cuts as
-He never defeated Whitebeard, instead he requested, rather begged WB to lend him Oden for one year
-He sneaked into Big Moms territory
-He never defeated Garp as far as we know
-We know for a fact he didn't defeat Shiki
-No real account him ever facing Sengoku or King

His only real kill is Xebec which is again co accomplishment of Roger and Garp.

Yet world recognized him as PK once he went to Raftel.

But Luffy has different personality, he wants to bulldoze through the whole world. Doesn't mean he would have to do it by himself but any individual Zoro defeats or Luffy's ally defeats would also be Luffys victory.

That Mihawk comparison is plan retarded because PK title is not a Worlds strongest title lmao.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

He sure can. But he'll still have to be a very strong top tier. People are pointing how he attracts allies but he also attracts problems and strong foes. So I doubt that he can become pirate king without being at least a top 5 in the verse.

With that said, I think Oda is taking the road of him becoming the strongest in the verse.
He has his gears that offers him more power and versatility (especially G4). He learned adv Coo and adv CoA in a short amount of time showing how fast he can grow and big potential.
It's a given that he will get awakening since Oda already made him fight 2 df's users with that power with him noticing it and talking about it.
His speciality in haki is CoC so at some point we are also going to see the power of CoC and Luffy will certainly have it at its full potential.
All that while still having his other stats improving (strength, durability, endurance, Coo and CoA via extreme battles, his will too).

So for these reasons I believe he'll stand at the top of the food chain at EOS.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

He sure can. But he'll still have to be a very strong top tier. People are pointing how he attracts allies but he also attracts problems and strong foes. So I doubt that he can become pirate king without being at least a top 5 in the verse.

With that said, I think Oda is taking the road of him becoming the strongest in the verse.
He has his gears that offers him more power and versatility (especially G4). He learned adv Coo and adv CoA in a short amount of time showing how fast he can grow and big potential.
It's a given that he will get awakening since Oda already made him fight 2 df's users with that power with him noticing it and talking about it.
His speciality in haki is CoC so at some point we are also going to see the power of CoC and Luffy will certainly have it at its full potential.
All that while still having his other stats improving (strength, durability, endurance, Coo and CoA via extreme battles, his will too).

So for these reasons I believe he'll stand at the top of the food chain at EOS.

That's certainly true, especially considering the way Luffy wants to become PK where he wants to defeat every obstacle in his Journey rather than taking short cuts like Roger, he would have to be at least exceptionally strong.

But I don't think he would be top 1 of all time, I'd say both Luffy and Zoro would be second strongest and there will be one enemy that will never be surpassed.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Roger becomes PK because he discovered the one piece treasure. So that means you dont need to be the strongest amongst pirate. But since raftel is in NW, you obviously need to be a strong pirate anyway

 

[nik87]

How so? At the end of the day this is a Shonen Manga, and the Protagonist being number one at EoS is a staple in these type of series.

Very simple, he doesnt need to be nr1 of the verse.
Individual power is not something that has ever stopped Luffy from doing what he wanted.
He has mother of all powers on his side - the plot.

A rookie brat has achieved in Marineford what no one else could - he freed Ace in front of the entire might of the Navy.
Also, as Mihawk pointed out, his greatest ability is attracting other people, powerful people.
Just like how in Marineford, powerful people, much more powerful than Luffy, came to his side, they will keep doing so.

Also, there are plenty of individuals which Luffy cant beat in 1vs1 and he never will have to because he will never get paired against them.
His combat style is quite inferior to most combatants who use sharp weapons.

PK was never about being strongest individual but conquering all the seas and finding Raftel, in Luffy's case just finding Raftel since he wont even see the other 3 Blues before he becomes PK. Someone else wanting to challenge him is fan-made scenario, you dont become PK by beating PK. Luffy will be like: good luck reading poneglyphs.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You understand that the appeal of becoming PK is actually finding One Piece right and to the world One Piece is Roger's treasure.

Its literally like a race, and who ever makes it to raftel first and claims that treasure becomes Pirate King.

Did you seriously read One Piece for last nearly 1000 chapters and failed to understand something so fundamental and basic?

Like how is it even possible?

You understand to the world of One Piece, One Piece is just some extraordinary treasure that the entire world is trying to get its hands on?

Tell me you don't actually believe PK is an actual position of authority like Yonko title? Where a PK has a massive territory that he rules, almost like a Kingdom?

If Big Mom and Kaido find that (in their minds) what is an extra ordinary treasure, idk they can divide it half. Idk what kinda deal they have made, but that seems the only way it can work because its an alliance of equal standing.

Appeal of PK is finding One Piece Treasure, that's what got the whole world excited. The show is called One Piece for a reason, hence why even Whitebeard reignited that hunger in Pirates by saying One Piece (which in eyes of the world is Roger's treasure) exists.

And yeah Luffy wants to defeat Yonkou and Admirals because they will come in his way, they will stop him.

Roger unlike Luffy was willing to take short cuts as
-He never defeated Whitebeard, instead he requested, rather begged WB to lend him Oden for one year
-He sneaked into Big Moms territory
-He never defeated Garp as far as we know
-We know for a fact he didn't defeat Shiki
-No real account him ever facing Sengoku or King

His only real kill is Xebec which is again co accomplishment of Roger and Garp.

Yet world recognized him as PK once he went to Raftel.

But Luffy has different personality, he wants to bulldoze through the whole world. Doesn't mean he would have to do it by himself but any individual Zoro defeats or Luffy's ally defeats would also be Luffys victory.

That Mihawk comparison is plan retarded because PK title is not a Worlds strongest title lmao.

Yes, it's a race to find the One Piece that all the top pirates in the World are competing for, and only the Pirate who sits atop all other pirates has a right to call themselves the Pirate King.

Simply finding the One Piece does not mean you sit at the top of the Piracy World. This is why Big Mom and Kaido have no qualms with finding the One Piece together, because they know at the end of it all, they will fight to the death so one of them can be crowned the Pirate King.

They both can't be crowned the Pirate King, but they want to find the treasure together. How do you not get this?

And again, Roger had been a Pirate for 30 years, and took 3 years itself to find the One Piece. You presume to know everything off of just a few instances in the manga that we know of were he was actually shown to have faced Whitebeard and Shiki once. One Piece is not about Roger's journey, it's about Luffy's... Oda is not going to extrapolate on the 30+ year Pirate Journey of Gol D. Roger.

And I honestly don't know how much clearer Oda can spell it out for everyone when the guy is literally stated to be equal with the World's Strongest Man.

 

[Monster Luffy]

Yes, it is possible.
we have worlds strongest swordsman weaker than Shanks, Fujitora, Rayleigh.
we have worlds strongest creature weaker than Akainu, Kizaru.
we have worlds strongest man that is weaker than Roger, Akainu, Kizaru, Squardo

 

[M944]

Panels posted by Celestial Dragon should have convinced you but I add those.


https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/40/5/1601615875-007.jpg

Luffy is telling to Kaido he will be PK.
Kaido's answer

So we know at least Kaido won't acknowleged Luffy as PK as long as Luffy isn't stronger.
No one will. I won't see BB and BM acknowleged Luffy as their King if he isn't stronger than them.
BB will probably hunt him and Kill him.

In Roger case he was the strongest (Equal to WB) and also the first to find this treasure.
Roger didn't have as much time as Luffy since he was sick. So he stole a copy to BM, but who here can claim He wasn't stronger than her ? Someone here made a vs between them and it was locked because everyone here thought it is one sided. So please stop hypocrisy.

No one was stronger than him at that time so even if he stole a copy to BM we don't care because he was stronger.

Its literally like a race, and who ever makes it to raftel first and claims that treasure becomes Pirate King.

How do you won a race ? Because you are the best. Same case for Luffy.
Also Oda did call that a war through Doflamingo.



You are the freest because no one can force you to do something.
If Luffy isn't the strongest people could force him to do things he don't want.


It's funny that people who thinks the opposite are zoro's stan.
Zoro will be at best as strong as MF beard with luck it could be the non-sick one. So being at Luffy's level at end of story is a fancy.

 

[Patryipe]

Without plot armor I would pick EOS BB over EOS Luffy every time.

 

[stairs-kun]

Oden is like this

Extremely Top Tier Attack Power
Extreme Top Tier durability
Low top tier fighter.

Oden is easily admiral lvl from what we've seen of him. Oden who saw Roger and Whitebeard clash was not peak Oden, yet he still ate that.

 

[Rokayder]

Chinjaos line is bullshit
roger beat no one to become king
the final war vs the marines will be post pk luffy anyway

Chinjao line or your line which is bullshit?
I know your people agenda, you Will said Luffy is not the stronger but Zoro. Only WSS is the strongest, am I right?

It's stated in the manga that Luffy Will beat each and every enemy he has. So stop you subjective opinion

 

[nik87]

They both can't be crowned the Pirate King, but they want to find the treasure together. How do you not get this?

To be even considered for the PK they have to find Raftel and without reading poneglyphs they cant do it.
They also lack 2 poneglyphs which they dont know the location of.
Forget the imaginary fan-made scenarios. Luffy is the only one who can be PK because all the stars are aligning just for him.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

To be even considered for the PK they have to find Raftel and without reading poneglyphs they cant do it.
They also lack 2 poneglyphs which they dont know the location of.
Forget the imaginary fan-made scenarios. Luffy is the only one who can be PK because all the stars are aligning just for him.

That's not the point. Luffy will find Laugh Tale and become Pirate King, that is a given. But in order for him to do so, and to hold on to that title once he acquires it he has to be the strongest. Nobody is going to acknowledge someone as the Pirate who reigns supreme on the Seas if they don't have the strength to back it up.

 

[nik87]

That's not the point. Luffy will find Laugh Tale and become Pirate King, that is a given. But in order for him to do so, and to hold on to that title once he acquires it he has to be the strongest. Nobody is going to acknowledge someone as the Pirate who reigns supreme on the Seas if they don't have the strength to back it up.

Not at all. He has the strength to back it up already and he is nowhere close to strongest nor does he need to be.
He has powerful people on his side, more forces than anyone else in the world if you include all the lands that were saved by SHs.
Whoever doesnt acknowledge that power is just a fool. Nobody can take the title from him because nobody else can find Raftel.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

That's not the point. Luffy will find Laugh Tale and become Pirate King, that is a given. But in order for him to do so, and to hold on to that title once he acquires it he has to be the strongest. Nobody is going to acknowledge someone as the Pirate who reigns supreme on the Seas if they don't have the strength to back it up.

I think its moreso because the plot is set up in such a way
that to even get to raftel
he has to surpass the pirates at the very least i.e he could take the ponyglyph copy from kaido and bounce but he has to take him down the way the story has been set up.
afterward wage war on the world government. (admirals/imu)

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Not at all. He has the strength to back it up already and he is nowhere close to strongest nor does he need to be.
He has powerful people on his side, more forces than anyone else in the world if you include all the lands that were saved by SHs.
Whoever doesnt acknowledge that power is just a fool. Nobody can take the title from him because nobody else can find Raftel.

Roger didn't have all these powerful people on his side, and he reigned Supreme. It was his Era after Rocks died and it remained that way until his death. That's because he had the strength to back it up. Just like how when Roger died Whitebeard reigned supreme as the unofficial King of the Seas, and that was also due to him having the strength to back it up.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

anyone that doesnt think luffy is top of the verse eos
I am deeply sorry for you

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got folks who think that a villain that is taken out by the end of this arc is/will be the peak of strength in this manga
utter rubbish

 

[Konstantis]

Yes, final war will begin only after luffy became PK