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stairs-kun

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Nobody in the crew was ever or is faster than G2 luffy. Even Sanji...The Oven Speed Blitz is probably the first time Sanji ever moved at speeds comparable to G2. G2 is speeds is actually pretty damn fast tbh....Rob Lucci was disgustingly faster than the rest Cp9 members. He was the only one who combined Geppo and Soru together creating insane speeds called Kamisori..... And G2 Luffy had to react and keep up with that speed.
You think Lucci faster than Kuma? The guy who blitzed between Rayleigh and Kizaru. The guy who teleports?
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Zoro been Lightspeed(Kizaru lvl speed) since TB. Ironically it is the same arc he beats the fastest SH in.




Light speed attacks.
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You said that 12 hours ago:beckmoji:
Air deflected at light speed =/= the attack itself was lightspeed. In fact since air isn't that dense at all, and those tiny paw bubbles would have barely any mass to begin with, those bubbles wouldn't be traveling anywhere near lightspeed.

It'd be like if a pitcher who can throw a 100 mph fastball threw a balloon. It would barely even reach 1 mph before decelerating and dropping to the ground.
 
Air deflected at light speed =/= the attack itself was lightspeed. In fact since air isn't that dense at all, and those tiny paw bubbles would have barely any mass to begin with, those bubbles wouldn't be traveling anywhere near lightspeed.

It'd be like if a pitcher who can throw a 100 mph fastball threw a balloon. It would barely even reach 1 mph before decelerating and dropping to the ground.
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You think Lucci faster than Kuma? The guy who blitzed between Rayleigh and Kizaru. The guy who teleports?
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Im Saying Lucci was a lot faster than the other Cp9 Members.........Also for the Kuma situation........Two Completely different situations bruh lol. whenever Kuma had his guard up nobody was doing anything, he was literally blocking everybodys attacks including Zoro. Zoro only got that cut because Kuma Assumed everybody was knocked out. Why do you think Zoro coudnt do anything after cutting Kuma? Because Kuma was actually on guard after that moment.
 

stairs-kun

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Air deflected at light speed =/= the attack itself was lightspeed. In fact since air isn't that dense at all, and those tiny paw bubbles would have barely any mass to begin with, those bubbles wouldn't be traveling anywhere near lightspeed.

It'd be like if a pitcher who can throw a 100 mph fastball threw a balloon. It would barely even reach 1 mph before decelerating and dropping to the ground.
You sound so delusional. You realize that Kuma compresses the air? giving it mass, why do you think it takes the paw shape. Kuma also gave Luffy's pain and damage mass. Imagine applying real world science to a DF. It is lightspeed as Kuma said.
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Im Saying Lucci was a lot faster than the other Cp9 Members.........Also for the Kuma situation........Two Completely different situations bruh lol. whenever Kuma had his guard up nobody was doing anything, he was literally blocking everybodys attacks including Zoro. Zoro only got that cut because Kuma Assumed everybody was knocked out. Why do you think Zoro coudnt do anything after cutting Kuma? Because Kuma was actually on guard after that moment.
Luffy couldn't sneak Kuma, he got neg diffed even though he was in better condition than Zoro. Also, Kuma saw the attack coming.
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Air deflected at light speed =/= the attack itself was lightspeed. In fact since air isn't that dense at all, and those tiny paw bubbles would have barely any mass to begin with, those bubbles wouldn't be traveling anywhere near lightspeed.

It'd be like if a pitcher who can throw a 100 mph fastball threw a balloon. It would barely even reach 1 mph before decelerating and dropping to the ground.
Here is another translation, it literally says it "TRAVELS" at the speed of light.
 
And we can even go further into detail with it, by Kuma stating that by deflecting the air, it turns it into a shockwave. Shockwaves at best are in the high supersonic range (Nuclear blast shockwave can reach speeds of 2000mph), but since this is One Piece, and Oda typically ignores conventional laws of physics, we could high ball it to oblivion, and it would still only put it in the hypersonic range.
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You sound so delusional. You realize that Kuma compresses the air? giving it mass, why do you think it takes the paw shape. Kuma also gave Luffy's pain and damage mass. Imagine applying real world science to a DF. It is lightspeed as Kuma said.
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Luffy couldn't sneak Kuma, he got neg diffed even though he was in better condition than Zoro. Also, Kuma saw the attack coming.
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Here is another translation, it literally says it "TRAVELS" at the speed of light.
You talk about sounding delusional, and don't even take the time to do any research, and throw out panels with busted translations. :seriously:
 

stairs-kun

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And we can even go further into detail with it, by Kuma stating that by deflecting the air, it turns it into a shockwave. Shockwaves at best are in the high supersonic range (Nuclear blast shockwave can reach speeds of 2000mph), but since this is One Piece, and Oda typically ignores conventional laws of physics, we could high ball it to oblivion, and it would still only put it in the hypersonic range.
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You talk about sounding delusional, and don't even take the time to do any research, and throw out panels with busted translations. :seriously:
:hapnoel: here is your L
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:hapnoel: here is your L
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Even if we went with your terrible "explanation", the distance between Kuma and Zoro would not be enough time, even for a ballon, to slow down to shockwave speed, the balloon would still be moving at the speed of light at such range.:shame::shame::saden::ihaha::cantseeme:
 
:hapnoel: here is your L
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Even if we went with your terrible "explanation", the distance between Kuma and Zoro would not be enough time even for a ballon, to slow down to shockwave speed, the balloon would still be moving at the speed of light at such range.:shame::shame::saden::ihaha::cantseeme:
Stephen's translation

Kuma: I have a "Pad Cannon"...
The air, deflected at the speed of light,
forms a powerful shockwave!!!
There's no stopping from this point...

Again, quit using busted translations to suit your narrative.
 
You sound so delusional. You realize that Kuma compresses the air? giving it mass, why do you think it takes the paw shape. Kuma also gave Luffy's pain and damage mass. Imagine applying real world science to a DF. It is lightspeed as Kuma said.
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Luffy couldn't sneak Kuma, he got neg diffed even though he was in better condition than Zoro. Also, Kuma saw the attack coming.
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Here is another translation, it literally says it "TRAVELS" at the speed of light.
He clearly didnt see the attack coming because theres literally Exclamation and Question marks after he gets cut, Oda only uses that shit when characters are suprised. And Kuma was clearly able to dodge Zoro's attacks whenever he was on guard lol. And its obvious Luffy couldnt Sneak Kuma because Kuma was on guard the whole time. lol If You Luffy in Zoro's situtaion however he absolutely would have been able to blitz kuma while Kuma's picking Zoro up. Oda wanked the hell out of Luffys Speed pre timeskip bro. Luffy was literally blitzing and avoiding attacks from top tiers in marineford lol.
 

stairs-kun

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Enough with the calcs and the bull shit. Luffy is the mc and Zoro is his subordinate.

Luffy IS stronger, faster, etc.

By how much is debatable.
Well the "MC" doesn't know if he is stronger than his "subordinate"
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Stephen's translation

Kuma: I have a "Pad Cannon"...
The air, deflected at the speed of light,
forms a powerful shockwave!!!
There's no stopping from this point...

Again, quit using busted translations to suit your narrative.
Why are you ignoring that I destroyed your explanation? I even used your take of the situation... The fact is, compressed air deflected/repelled at light speed from that distance is still travelling at light speed.:cheers:
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He clearly didnt see the attack coming because theres literally Exclamation and Question marks after he gets cut, Oda only uses that shit when characters are suprised. And Kuma was clearly able to dodge Zoro's attacks whenever he was on guard lol. And its obvious Luffy couldnt Sneak Kuma because Kuma was on guard the whole time. lol If You Luffy in Zoro's situtaion however he absolutely would have been able to blitz kuma while Kuma's picking Zoro up. Oda wanked the hell out of Luffys Speed pre timeskip bro. Luffy was literally blitzing and avoiding attacks from top tiers in marineford lol.

Kuma notices Zoro before Zoro uses Shishi Sonson
 
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Well the "MC" doesn't know if he is stronger than his "subordinate"
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Why are you ignoring that I destroyed your explanation? I even used your take of the situation... The fact is, compressed air deflected/repelled at light speed from that distance is still travelling at light speed.:cheers:
Look, Franky taking a "Lightspeed attack" at damn near point blank range, and then was back on his feet a minute later.




Thriller Bark Franky - Top Tier - Confirmed :cheers:

And you didn't destroy any explanation. I already said since this is One Piece and Oda tends to ignore conventional laws of physics, we could highball the hell out of the speed of a shockwave, and it would still be in the high hypersonic + range at best.
 
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stairs-kun

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Need pics. NOW!!
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Look, Franky taking a "Lightspeed attack" at damn near point blank range, and then was back on his feet a minute later.




Thriller Bark Franky - Top Tier - Confirmed :cheers:

And you didn't destroy any explanation. I already said since this is One Piece and Oda tends to ignore conventional laws of physics, we could highball the hell out of the speed of a shockwave, and it would still be hypersonic at best.
Kuma used a different attack for franky, it was a no named attack.:shame:

First you say Oda apply no logic then you go on to use logic (flawed logic) to suit your headcanon to say it will only be hypersonic speed?

Oda described it as Lightspeed, stop with the terrible headcanon. There is only three options for you?

1. You apply logic, which means Zoro dodges Lightspeed because deflected compress air at that range would still travel at lightspeed.

2. You don't apply logic, which means you accept manga logic, meaning that Zoro dodges lightspeed because Kuma described it as being deflected at lightspeed.

3. You take your L silently and become a follower of the Grandmaster.:ihaha:
 
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