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Next chapter is probably the turnaround for Kaido's forces, brace yourselves
Like the saying goes don’t underestimate your opponent. Kaido will probably get up might turn back oni maybe or possible hybrid form
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Wait Yamato being Toki' daughter is even more likely now
I don’t think she actually knows where babies come from.
 
Why couldn't Minks damage Jack back in Zou if they had Ryou all this time.
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That's what I'm talking about. Why couldn't Minks damage Jack back in Zou if they had Ryou all this time.
I think it is being portrayed in this chapter literally as they were hiding it as a trump card to use against Kaido, PIS yes, but so is the zoans holding back their awakened Hybrid forms.

Are you implying that Goku or Superman cant hurt Kaido cause they have no Ryou?
It's a simple matter of AP and Oda is ignoring it with the scabbards.
Scale defence is a hard counter to non Ryou infused attacks. It's like saying can Superman damage Enel without Haki or rubber gloves.
Luffy was more satisfied with his base tree destroying fist being effective against Kaido than the Kong organ he used.
Now Luffy has the best Ryou on the island.
 

Pantheos

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This is what you said:

"Imagine Kaido has defence of 100.
Luffy Gear 4 Deals damage of 90. Not enough for his defence.
But Ryo, imagined as weapon, increase the damage about 50.
Suddenly scabbards deal 100 damage, enough to hurt Kaido."


so don't run from it. Does that mean that Kinemon op>gear 4th Luffy?
I just tried to explain why Kinemon (+ other scabbards) are able to hurt Kaido with Ryo, while Luffy without Ryo in Gear 4 wasnt able to. But you obviously just want to spread some salt. Also i dont really care for these Power-Level-Discussions. So i end the discussion here from my side.
 
Scabbards with ryo hurt Kaido, elephant gatling didnt. So focused on one point, yeah the ryo attack of them had more AP.
But Elephant Gatling is also an AOE-Attack, which should be considered with that argumentation.
It has more AoE sure, but it was a spam of punches in the face and Kaido did not bleed anything at all.
So scabbards making damage to Kaido while Luffy nothing makes no sense and Oda is ignoring the AP like I said.
 

stairs-kun

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Kaido, you were supposed to have grown so much stronger, you'd wipe the floor with Oden. :pepemy:

How is it that you can get injured by people who are nothing compared to Oden :pepecorn:
Kaido, you were supposed to have grown so much stronger, you'd wipe the floor with Oden. :pepemy:

How is it that you can get injured by people who are nothing compared to Oden :pepecorn:
Zoro>Oden
 
It has more AoE sure, but it was a spam of punches in the face and Kaido did not bleed anything at all.
So scabbards making damage to Kaido while Luffy nothing makes no sense and Oda is ignoring the AP like I said.
adv haki bypasses durability, regular haki doesn't, it does not matter AP level if you have adv haki, even chopper could damage kaido if he had ryo.
 
I think it is being portrayed in this chapter literally as they were hiding it as a trump card to use against Kaido, PIS yes, but so is the zoans holding back their awakened Hybrid forms.


Scale defence is a hard counter to non Ryou infused attacks. It's like saying can Superman damage Enel without Haki or rubber gloves.
Luffy was more satisfied with his base tree destroying fist being effective against Kaido than the Kong organ he used.
Now Luffy has the best Ryou on the island.
This. Exactly :kata:
 
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