US Presidental Race : 2020

[bennbeckman]

• whats my side? (spoiler: im still not right-wing)
• trump didnt call white supremacists "fine people"
• i dont like trump at all
• you clearly are not trying to have a conversation, and its you twisting shit left and right buddy
• i think im the only one making good points? Just further shows me you are not actually reading my posts

also quite telling only that last sentence got a response lmfao.


and what is that oof trying to tell me?!

in regards to Charlottesville is the part im responding too. Trump, in trying to denounce said there are perfectly fine people on both sides. ALL White supremicists are not good people.
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He lies. A lot.

Now to be fair, I always expect a little lying from every president but he seems to get caught lying more than every other previous US president.

Thank you
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You assume that all his claims were lies. I was simply informing you of the textbook definition of a lie.



There's no reason for you to assume I'm a Trump supporter....like at all....the nicest thing I've said about them was that mainstream and social media are extremely anti-Trump.



But wasnt addressing the problem of you making assumptions and labeling people Trump supporters for giving you facts....



Glad that you know that you're assuming. You were using words wrong and I simply gave you textbook definitions, and you went off about morals and excusing Trump nonsense.

Zenos and I told you that telling false statements intentionally is a lie by definition. You claimed all false statements are lies(which again is false by definition given how you assume Trump lies about everythong) and that we were trying to excuse Trump's actions....we were literally focused on the word itself....



Cap locking one word to bring emphasis to it isnt being hostile......

False claims are lies not statements. 20000 thousand of them, definitely more at this point.

Most of what you have said was supporting Trump over Biden soooo there is a very clear reason why i made the assumption

What facts this convo has been pretty long. Tell me which specific facts you were referring to and I will respond to those

Believing if someone is moral or not can't be fact or fiction thing. Also I believed you were excusing his 20000 False claims as him not lying because he believed them.

I claimed all Trump's false statements which was the basis of our conversation was a lie, that's how the convo started. Making a theory or hypothesizing that's wrong isnt lying. What was said was a believing your own false statement isnt a lie upon the basis of you believed it to be true and the point in time you said it. That is still lying

When you caps lock one specific word pertainent to your point you believe the other person clearly lacks understanding for is a contextualized version of hostility intentional or unintentional

 

[Zenos7]

in regards to Charlottesville is the part im responding too. Trump, in trying to denounce said there are perfectly fine people on both sides. ALL White supremicists are not good people.

Q (Inaudible) both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the —

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides — I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either.

And if you reported it accurately, you would say.

Q The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest —

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group.

Q (Inaudible.)

THE PRESIDENT: Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did.

You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

Q George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same.

THE PRESIDENT: George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down —

Excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?

Q I do love Thomas Jefferson.

THE PRESIDENT: Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/

I mean sure, you can argue that he was wrong here and there were only white supremacists and neo-nazis protesting there, but he still condemned them like a minute later in that exchange.

 

[bennbeckman]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/

I mean sure, you can argue that he was wrong here and there were only white supremacists and neo-nazis protesting there, but he still condemned them like a minute later in that exchange.

Before doing additional deflecting of "the left" and that's to keep his base. As a president you can't have this type of rhetoric, he did it during the debate with the proud boys.

He was definitely wrong to say there are good people on both sides.

 

[Zenos7]

Before doing additional deflecting of "the left" and that's to keep his base. As a president you can't have this type of rhetoric, he did it during the debate with the proud boys.

He was definitely wrong to say there are good people on both sides.

its wrong to leave out that part to make it sound like he doesnt condemn WS or neo-nazis. And thats not the only instance where he did condemn them btw.

And while the proud boys are violent shitheads, they are not white supremacists.


Edit: Not that condemning white supremacy or neo-nazism is any kind of accomplishment in 2020, especially not when you have an anti-lgbtq vice president

 

[bennbeckman]

its wrong to leave out that part to make it sound like he doesnt condemn WS or neo-nazis. And thats not the only instance where he did condemn them btw.

And while the proud boys are violent shitheads, they are not white supremacists.

I am pertaining to that statement and the way he has gone about doing it. At the same time I believe he wants to appeal to his base so he flip flops like that

I am aware he has condemned white supremecy multiple times.

In terms of the future that is just a grain of what the real BIG issues are in the future. To be honest a lot is in the balance and on the line for this eleciton

Health Care
Economy
Work Force (sub of economy)
Women's Abortion Rights (in particular Roe V Wade) that result can lead to more protests

A lot more issues as well but those are my main and what i think the main issues are

 

[Zenos7]

I am pertaining to that statement and the way he has gone about doing it. At the same time I believe he wants to appeal to his base so he flip flops like that

I am aware he has condemned white supremecy multiple times.

Ok

In terms of the future that is just a grain of what the real BIG issues are in the future. To be honest a lot is in the balance and on the line for this eleciton

Health Care
Economy
Work Force (sub of economy)
Women's Abortion Rights (in particular Roe V Wade) that result can lead to more protests

A lot more issues as well but those are my main and what i think the main issues are

dont really disagree here. Health care in the USA seems to be an absolute mess, and i really wish for US citizens that biden/kamala will combat this issue vehemently (which i am expecting them to do).

Regarding the economy, i think many people will take away from the last debate that biden wants to end the oil industry, and he didnt make it clear enough how long it would take to transition away from fossil fuels (at least not in the debate itself), and that seems to be concerning to some peeps.

Abortion is a tough issue, and i am pretty much a fence-sitter on that front. I do agree with pro-lifers that its a human life that is ended, but its not like our species is dependant on every child being born, so abortions should be accessible IMO. An issue that somewhat has to do with this are rights for LGBTQ individuals. Because as of now, there are 6 out of 9 supreme court justices that are catholic, and 2 of them (before ACB was appointed) have made this statement:

"Moreover, Obergefell enables courts and governments to brand religious adherents who believe that marriage is between one man and one woman as bigots, making their religious liberty concerns that much easier to dismiss."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/clarence-thomas-samuel-alito/index.html

And considering what i edited into my last post:

Edit: Not that condemning white supremacy or neo-nazism is any kind of accomplishment in 2020, especially not when you have an anti-lgbtq vice president

this could go into the wrong direction. . .

 

[bennbeckman]

Ok


dont really disagree here. Health care in the USA seems to be an absolute mess, and i really wish for US citizens that biden/kamala will combat this issue vehemently (which i am expecting them to do).

Regarding the economy, i think many people will take away from the last debate that biden wants to end the oil industry, and he didnt make it clear enough how long it would take to transition away from fossil fuels (at least not in the debate itself), and that seems to be concerning to some peeps.

Abortion is a tough issue, and i am pretty much a fence-sitter on that front. I do agree with pro-lifers that its a human life that is ended, but its not like our species is dependant on every child being born, so abortions should be accessible IMO. An issue that somewhat has to do with this are rights for LGBTQ individuals. Because as of now, there are 6 out of 9 supreme court justices that are catholic, and 2 of them (before ACB was appointed) have made this statement:


And considering what i edited into my last post:


this could go into the wrong direction. . .

I agree with you on all of these. Biden did a bad job of explaining that he wants to transition out of the oil industry into cleaner energy which is the right thing to do

In terms of health care, USA is the worst, we spend the most per capita, it's only good for the people who can afford to have expensive surgeries, hospital trips for avg american bankrupts them all which is insane. Along with pharmceuitcal industry who hijacks the price of life threatening products like insulin for ex and people can't afford it

LBGTQ rights along with abortion rights are in jeopardy, it's definitely a fence subject, because it's tough to draw the line but my main issue is the conservatives want to move towards banning it altogether and this supreme court can move towards removing roe v wade and that can happen. For me i have no right at all to tell any woman what to do with her body.

Main issue with economy is jobs, and this president who promised to drain the swamp gave tax cuts to the wealthiest and trickle down economics never have ever worked, all they've done is buy backs and it cost the us a half a trillion dollar deficit on top of the 500 billion it was at (pre covid)

 

[Zenos7]

I agree with you on all of these. Biden did a bad job of explaining that he wants to transition out of the oil industry into cleaner energy which is the right thing to do

its pretty sad, because on his website:
"As president, Biden will lead the world to address the climate emergency and lead through the power of example, by ensuring the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and net-zero emissions no later than 2050."
https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

Like, 30 years is a pretty long time span. People only hearing the soundbites will not know about this and might expect biden wanting to end fossil fuel in 4-8 years because he said he will end fossil fuel (at least in one of the soundbites), even though he will just pave the way to eventually end fossil fuels. And while i dont necessarily agree with "climate alarmists"(the world wont end in 12 years), its still an important issue, and while it may not destroy our lives directly, it will have an impact on our descendants down the line, and they shouldnt suffer because of our inaction. Another issue is then that other countries need to be convinced to do more for the environment and transition into clean energy, which would probably be very hard with a president that doesnt really believe climate change to be a thing. . . .

LBGTQ rights along with abortion rights are in jeopardy, it's definitely a fence subject, because it's tough to draw the line but my main issue is the conservatives want to move towards banning it altogether and this supreme court can move towards removing roe v wade and that can happen. For me i have no right at all to tell any woman what to do with her body.

ironically enough, AFAIK, trump was the first president who supported same-sex marriage at the point of his election. dont get why he has pence as VP then, but well. . .

The issue with "telling a woman what to do with her body" according to pro-lifers is that its another body inside that woman over which she chooses. And thats technically true. Also (sorry for the generalizing that will now follow) it seems to me that conservatives tend to claim that pro-abortion people are in support of what they call genocide of babies, but from what i have seen most pro-abortion people agree that abortions should be rare but accessible.


I left out the rest of your post because i had nothing to add there.

 

[bennbeckman]

its pretty sad, because on his website:
"As president, Biden will lead the world to address the climate emergency and lead through the power of example, by ensuring the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and net-zero emissions no later than 2050."
https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

Like, 30 years is a pretty long time span. People only hearing the soundbites will not know about this and might expect biden wanting to end fossil fuel in 4-8 years because he said he will end fossil fuel (at least in one of the soundbites), even though he will just pave the way to eventually end fossil fuels. And while i dont necessarily agree with "climate alarmists"(the world wont end in 12 years), its still an important issue, and while it may not destroy our lives directly, it will have an impact on our descendants down the line, and they shouldnt suffer because of our inaction. Another issue is then that other countries need to be convinced to do more for the environment and transition into clean energy, which would probably be very hard with a president that doesnt really believe climate change to be a thing. . . .



ironically enough, AFAIK, trump was the first president who supported same-sex marriage at the point of his election. dont get why he has pence as VP then, but well. . .

The issue with "telling a woman what to do with her body" according to pro-lifers is that its another body inside that woman over which she chooses. And thats technically true. Also (sorry for the generalizing that will now follow) it seems to me that conservatives tend to claim that pro-abortion people are in support of what they call genocide of babies, but from what i have seen most pro-abortion people agree that abortions should be rare but accessible.


I left out the rest of your post because i had nothing to add there.

They're not talking about the world being destroyed they are talking about 12 years and we wont be able to recover from climate change, etc. The right move is to move towards clean energy and 2050 is a reasonable goal because it takes time to change.

I dont know enough about third trimester of abortion to go further into that discussion, i would have to do more research on that specific part.

It's not same sex marriage that's the primary issue at hand now it's their rights in the workplace, military, how they are treated there and in society etc. Along with how African American's and other minorities such as latin american and asian american and native american communities are disproportionately treated compared to white people
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Trump today on what happens if Biden wins

"There will be no heating in the winter, no air conditioning in the summer, and no electricity"

@Jew D. Boy this one takes the cake forsure

 

[Zenos7]

They're not talking about the world being destroyed they are talking about 12 years and we wont be able to recover from climate change, etc. The right move is to move towards clean energy and 2050 is a reasonable goal because it takes time to change.

pretty sure aoc once said that lol. and also some peeps in the past. agree with the rest though

I dont know enough about third trimester of abortion to go further into that discussion, i would have to do more research on that specific part.

wasnt talking about third trimester

It's not same sex marriage that's the primary issue at hand now it's their rights in the workplace, military, how they are treated there and in society etc. Along with how African American's and other minorities such as latin american and asian american and native american communities are disproportionately treated compared to white people

wym rights in the workplace?
also military stuff like transgender people being excluded?

Trump today on what happens if Biden wins

"There will be no heating in the winter, no air conditioning in the summer, and no electricity"

air conditioning does generate alot of heat as a byproduct, so in dense cities it does have a negative impact on the overall heat, so that wouldnt even be that bad lol.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

this place is livelier than battledome ngl

 

[bennbeckman]

pretty sure aoc once said that lol. and also some peeps in the past. agree with the rest though


wasnt talking about third trimester


wym rights in the workplace?
also military stuff like transgender people being excluded?


air conditioning does generate alot of heat as a byproduct, so in dense cities it does have a negative impact on the overall heat, so that wouldnt even be that bad lol.

AOC didnt say that, that's a Republican Party pushing the "Socialist Narrative".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...imate-change-under-control-un-scientists-say/

WYM?
USA has laws that exclude Transgender
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/year-after-trans-military-ban-legal-battle-rages-n1181906

It was just the lie he spouted which is complete nonsense, and it's all he has done since his presidency

 

[Zenos7]

AOC didnt say that, that's a Republican Party pushing the "Socialist Narrative".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ener...imate-change-under-control-un-scientists-say/

WYM?
USA has laws that exclude Transgender
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/year-after-trans-military-ban-legal-battle-rages-n1181906

It was just the lie he spouted which is complete nonsense, and it's all he has done since his presidency

i know trans people are excluded from the military, but i thought you were also talking about gay right stuff in the workplace!?
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AOC didnt say that,

 

[kom5]

Declaring bankruptcy multiple times is not normal. Why has he not released his tax returns if he's so successful? Our tax system is so fucked it's easy for Multimillionaires and Billionaires to exploit all the legal loopholes in the system.

Also he got 1 million dollars from his father to start his own businesses.

Covid is much more deadlier than the flu and we do not have a vaccine for it. We have the flu shot, which is why we were able to live our lives normally with it.

No one is asking to shut down the economy at this point, or have 24 hour lockdowns. What I have been advocating for is people wearing masks, washing their hands, and social distancing. But people dont do it because they fell it "infringes upon their rights" which is ridiculous, i dont know what's so difficult about wearing a mask

24K-62K Deaths per year, but that's out of 39 million to 56 million that get it, that was according to CDC

It's been 8 months and 230K people have died out of the 9 million in the US that have gotten it, nor do we have a vaccine for it.

To rewind on the other death relating issues you mentioned, I agree with you those are issues, with that especially smoking and cardiovascular, lung cancer, etc but those arent viruses and we have laws and regulations to help lower it while at the same time fighting those interest groups from influencing congress to loosen those regulations. I would def have that conversation with you at another time

Yeah and to be stand up again is an amazing feat he is like Luffy against Katakuri he is fighter
only leftist think they can accomblish something with taxes taxes are outdated its from monarchy it has to change either way
its his private wealth he dont need to publish it he pays through trading and paying employs already taxes and is far more important for the us economy than a common worker

you guys have to understand paying taxes like in the monarchy cant solve anything than just paying goverment official to make your life difficult they are the problem and not that Trump paying extra taxes for something he already payed the taxes

you know even if they are wearing masks the virus will spread better precaution are good and it will lower the infection rate I dont think Trump has something against this its people who are like that and you cant change them and Trump doesnt want to dictate people what they should do they are recommend it and if people follow it or not its there own choice

last year 2,850,000 million people died
Covid just got up to 230.000 deaths thats an increase under 10% lol therefore you guys lost trilions of dollar because consumer spending broke massively down even if 100000 trumps would pay there taxes wouldnt be able to close this gap

Now another statistic
cases: 9.133.419
deaths: 229.808
its just 2,5% mortal rate thats a really low mortality rate because 97,5% are fine so you guys should be more afraid of flu because covid needs physical contact while flu doesnt if you leave your window open you can get it in the winter
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Then he should release his tax returns lol . Just because he has his wealth you mix up assets and his real earning. He made huge losses in casinos , hotels and golf courses in scotland.

Who cannot forget his sham university roflol. He is a conman who stayed on top cheating people .

a very successful common with his buisness he already pays taxes doing trade or business why does the government want money that has been already taxed ?
To pay overpriced government officials or an state that has still monarchy outline lol
The state itself has to change taking money from the highest 1% who already have millions of employees under there wing and weaken there business

 

[bennbeckman]

Yeah and to be stand up again is an amazing feat he is like Luffy against Katakuri he is fighter
only leftist think they can accomblish something with taxes taxes are outdated its from monarchy it has to change either way
its his private wealth he dont need to publish it he pays through trading and paying employs already taxes and is far more important for the us economy than a common worker

you guys have to understand paying taxes like in the monarchy cant solve anything than just paying goverment official to make your life difficult they are the problem and not that Trump paying extra taxes for something he already payed the taxes

you know even if they are wearing masks the virus will spread better precaution are good and it will lower the infection rate I dont think Trump has something against this its people who are like that and you cant change them and Trump doesnt want to dictate people what they should do they are recommend it and if people follow it or not its there own choice

last year 2,850,000 million people died
Covid just got up to 230.000 deaths thats an increase under 10% lol therefore you guys lost trilions of dollar because consumer spending broke massively down even if 100000 trumps would pay there taxes wouldnt be able to close this gap

Now another statistic
cases: 9.133.419
deaths: 229.808
its just 2,5% mortal rate thats a really low mortality rate because 97,5% are fine so you guys should be more afraid of flu because covid needs physical contact while flu doesnt if you leave your window open you can get it in the winter
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a very successful common with his buisness he already pays taxes doing trade or business why does the government want money that has been already taxed ?
To pay overpriced government officials or an state that has still monarchy outline lol
The state itself has to change taking money from the highest 1% who already have millions of employees under there wing and weaken there business

He isnt a fighter he's a coward... aka Draft Dodger, and a fucking moron who doesnt know how to run a business and drives them into the ground. This is legitimately provable.

US economy: You lack basic understanding of how much debt US is in, they're really in and Trump's promise to get out of it. How taxes work.

Apparantly 230000 deaths via covid is not that big of a deal to you, and people getting sick and hospitalized is irrelevant because why do they matter? right?

You're last paragraph regarding flu and leaving window open and covid sounds like something QAnon would post, if you were a QAnon believer I honestly would not be shocked at all.

Trickle down economics dont work
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i know trans people are excluded from the military, but i thought you were also talking about gay right stuff in the workplace!?
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Yes, they have less rights and are discriminated against, and I believe ( i need to research this) we dont have enough laws (in all 50 states) that give them protection against discrimination

 

[Jew D. Boy]

He isnt a fighter he's a coward... aka Draft Dodger, and a fucking moron who doesnt know how to run a business and drives them into the ground. This is legitimately provable.

US economy: You lack basic understanding of how much debt US is in, they're really in and Trump's promise to get out of it. How taxes work.

Apparantly 230000 deaths via covid is not that big of a deal to you, and people getting sick and hospitalized is irrelevant because why do they matter? right?

You're last paragraph regarding flu and leaving window open and covid sounds like something QAnon would post, if you were a QAnon believer I honestly would not be shocked at all.

Trickle down economics dont work
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Yes, they have less rights and are discriminated against, and I believe ( i need to research this) we dont have enough laws (in all 50 states) that give them protection against discrimination

I’m not doing this today, let these fucking idiots think what they want. If they can’t see how COVID and billionaires paying less in taxes than regular people are bad things for society, nothing that they see outside of a QAnon article is gonna change their mind. Just not my responsibility to explain why anyone should care about normal folks they don’t personally know instead of Republican mongrels who’d rather see them die than help them out.

 

[Zenos7]

You're last paragraph regarding flu and leaving window open and covid sounds like something QAnon would post, if you were a QAnon believer I honestly would not be shocked at all.

my stepdad legit got himself a QAnon shirt and he is slowly but surely sucking my mom into this conspiracy garbage:laughmoji:
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you guys have to understand paying taxes like in the monarchy cant solve anything than just paying goverment official to make your life difficult they are the problem and not that Trump paying extra taxes for something he already payed the taxes

yeah well idk, exploiting loopholes to pay as little as possible is just a dick move, whether thats legal or not lol.

 

[AL sama]

pipe down

 

[Uncle Van]

pipe down

All hail Trump! Vote OrangeMan2020 for 4 more years of memes!

 

[Zenos7]

All hail Trump! Vote OrangeMan2020 for 4 more years of memes!

not 12 more years?!?!?