Questions & Mysteries Who is the traitor?

[vikas]

I personally think it has to be a mink. Two main reasons are
1. Minks knew about kanjuro being alive in zou, even Kanjuro and others may nt know since they don't know what happened after they separated, did he live or not.
2. For jack to arrive at zou it would means most probably they had vivre card of someone who was at zou.
Neko/inu actually make me suspicious at times but I doubt its them, they are important to the story being scabbard(main reason I don't think kanjuro is traitor too since he time traveled and shouldn't have a proper way to guide them to zou and also know about raizou's actually condition after being separated).
Best bet for me is carrot but I don't know if that would be worth while story telling wise. Pedro was top of my list but after getting his story and all I kinda doubt it now...and he is dead too...hopefully not a lie.
So for me top candidates are Neko(maybe inu instead)/carrot(not sure how useful it will be for the story, doesn't look much useful or impactful).
I see points made for kanjuro but they are just not strong enough as of now.
For it to be one of the heart pirates. I am not sure about the time line right now. But I think they arrived after beast pirates.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

The one thing I’m confident of after reading this thread is Shinobu is NOT the traitor. Putting aside the fact that she saved everyone (not just herself) from getting annihilated by Kaido’s destruction of the remains of Oden Castle, she also didn’t recognize Yasu when he first came upon them. Plus, she’s the one who explained everything about SAD and SMILES, not sure why she’d give the enemy information like that if she was just going to screw them in the end.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

kanjuro
he should be the only one to know raizo split of from kinemon and momo and went to zou
chilling supposedly in dressrosa "prison "
people are high on shinobu cause she put the target on law. I really dont think its the case. The traitor plot didnt start in wano

 

[Kejon]

It's not Kanjuro. That would be lame and it doesn't even make sense

 

[MD Zolo]

Shinobu could never be the traitor, she just wasn't in the picture long enough.

Honestly, it is hard to see one of the Scabbards being the traitor as that severely undermines Oden's Angel-like charm that Oda is showing. May be Oda is hyping up Oden as this universally-loved person only to show that Oden had major fallacies and this fallacies led to one of the Scabbards betraying him?!!

 

[Zenos7]

It's not Kanjuro. That would be lame and it doesn't even make sense

I've seen someone say the artist archetype is often a traitor of some sort in japanese stories or something..cant remember if i heard that in a YT video or from arturs chapter secrets, but if thats the case, it would make alot of sense.

imagine kanjuro actually being a badass and being able to properly use his DF. what a twist that would be

 

[Venom]

Neko: My dear Jack, Raizo is in Zou.
Also Neko: But you can even torture me to death and I won't tell you the exact location.

Generally dogs are a symbol of loyalty. However we know one piece is ironic in lot of ways. You know what i mean

 

[Lifeismeh]

This traitor plot remind me of W7 plot where there was 4 traitors

This arc is supposed to be the W7/EL of the new world in a way, I think its possible there's more than one traitor

anyway there's no character that would make sense to be the traitor, this plot could work only if there's some kind of ability that allow kaido men to appear as some of the scabbards, and the real ones are dead or something lol

 

[stealthblack]

anyone mentioned this? Kanjurou could be the traitor as a reference to Yamada Emosaku, a painter who supposedly was one of the rebels working under Amakusa Shiro (a name you must know from one of the thousand anime references he got) but was actually working for the Tokugawa Shogunate.

 

[Dark Hound]

It's quite funny how most of the theories are so convenient with flawed reasoning to point out a character just for free hate.
The Kanjuro Idea at least is interesting but too much "what if he told Doffy".

The best theory says he could be the traitor because he had no special reaction to seeing Kinemon again. His reactions sometimes aren't seen compared to Kinemon and Momo and even Raizo

 

[trav]

Kanjuro had plenty of oppotunity to murder Momonosuke if he so wished. yet he did not.
I really do not understand these theories.
people are so hellbound on "figuring it out" that they ignore anything that contradicts their logic.

 

[dirtyLarry]

So far the Kanjuro theory that Marco (link on one of the previous pages) made is by far the most plausible one.
I love Artur, but his Carrot theory is filled with a ton of assumptions and very convenient reasoning.

 

[trav]

Kin, Kanjuro, Momo and Raizo all got spotted leaving Wano.
its pretty natural that they would seek aid by an allying nation.

Kin, Momo and Kanjuro were spotted on DR. Kaido and Doffy now know that these 3 are with the SH and Raizo is the only with unknown whereabouts.
most likely with the minks.

this is the most likely scenario, imo.

that, or a mink being the traitor cause only the minks knew for sure that Raizo was on Zou. not even Kin and the others knew for sure.

 

[Draco]

Spoiler

Orochi hasn't seen the scabbards since 20 years ago when the castle was burnt down

Does this dismiss the chance that the traitor is one of them? (even if the fact Orochi is painting during that scene can be a hint about Kanjuro)... No it can't be a scabbard otherwise Orochi would have not said that he still didn't know if the scabbards were alive or not.

Who knew about the Sunny's hiding place?

 

[ardym]

the traitor is in the group of Momo , otherwise it doesn't make no sense that they was cut . i think the others know that the traitor is in that group that's why they didn't contact them. my bet still is on Shinobu

 

[silverfire]

What are y’all thinking after 959? Kanjuro was my top candidate by a wide margin, but probably not anymore. (And even before, the theory had plenty of holes in it)

Orochi said straight up he has yet to see the samurai and that it would be hard to believe that they jumped forward 20 years even if he did see them. This isn’t the way someone would speak about someone they were conspiring with. The scabbards are still shrouded in mystery to him.

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Spoiler

Orochi hasn't seen the scabbards since 20 years ago when the castle was burnt down

Does this dismiss the chance that the traitor is one of them? (even if the fact Orochi is painting during that scene can be a hint about Kanjuro)... No it can't be a scabbard otherwise Orochi would have not said that he still didn't know if the scabbards were alive or not.

Who knew about the Sunny's hiding place?

Argh, beaten to the punch. It does seem like the scabbards are ruled out.

 

[MD Zolo]

Spoiler

Orochi hasn't seen the scabbards since 20 years ago when the castle was burnt down

Does this dismiss the chance that the traitor is one of them? (even if the fact Orochi is painting during that scene can be a hint about Kanjuro)... No it can't be a scabbard otherwise Orochi would have not said that he still didn't know if the scabbards were alive or not.

Who knew about the Sunny's hiding place?

Only Tama knew of the place precisely. Kin'emon and others knew that it was in the beach.

What are y’all thinking after 959? Kanjuro was my top candidate by a wide margin, but probably not anymore. (And even before, the theory had plenty of holes in it)

Orochi said straight up he has yet to see the samurai and that it would be hard to believe that they jumped forward 20 years even if he did see them. This isn’t the way someone would speak about someone they were conspiring with. The scabbards are still shrouded in mystery to him.

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Argh, beaten to the punch. It does seem like the scabbards are ruled out.

Shinobu is the best candidate I guess.

 

[Yasuda]

anyone mentioned this? Kanjurou could be the traitor as a reference to Yamada Emosaku, a painter who supposedly was one of the rebels working under Amakusa Shiro (a name you must know from one of the thousand anime references he got) but was actually working for the Tokugawa Shogunate.

Another famous traitor is Akechi Mitsuhide, the man that betrayed Oda Nobunaga and burned Honnoji to the ground.

 

[Shiroyru]

Kanjuro or Denjiro
It will be Denjiro, he is playing both parties to see who wins.

There gotta be one retainer that betrays others.
Shuten became a thief and was hiding
Kawa was placed to protect Hiyori and he was captured
Denjiro either turned or is secretly wounded.
Dukes became leaders of Mokodom
Kinnemon and Kanjuro were with Raizou to protect Momo

My money is on either denjiro or Kanjuro.
Someone who is a retainer and will have great impact

The prophecy says that 9 Scabbards will avenge Oden, not 8

 

[MD Zolo]

The prophecy says that 9 Scabbards will avenge Oden, not 8

The prophecy doesn't say anything about 9 scabbards avenging Oden, just some poem with mention of 9 shadows.