Spoiler One Piece Chapter 997 Spoilers Discussion

[HA001]

Why would Zoro mock a yonko?out of the strawhats, Zoro was the one with the most level-headed understanding. He warned that Kaido will come after them, and dealing with two yonko at the same time is not a good option. It's a mental gymnastics for these ppl at this point.

Didnt level headed jinbe mock a yonko.
Besides zoro is literally saying hes here to kill kaido

 

[Jackteo]

what bugs me a little is that Apo can keep up with hybrid Drake just fine

Drake was cornering Apoo

 

[Reign]

Didnt level headed jinbe mock a yonko.
Besides zoro is literally saying hes here to kill kaido

and hes not saying it in a mocking way. thats it. he meant that shit. hes here to cut down the strongest guy, Kaido.

 

[Finalbeta]

We all know that people are trying to make Kaido seem weak because of what Zoro said this chapter.

I still believe that WSC and WSM titles, just like WSS are canonically implied by the author and not singular characters.

If not Zoro's opinion is in no way better than Killer's. But the paradox has just been rived.

It testifies that as I was saying too, singular statements have to be taken carefully and so it's all up the stakes now.

It can be anything and its contrary, cause we don't know how much of Oda there's in Zoro's or Killer's words and if we take the thing at face value, then none of the two is right cause they don't know how powerful Kaido is.

And so Kaido simply remains the strongest creature and we don't know if his title embodies humans. Just like Mihawk remains the strongest swordsman etc.

 

[HA001]

and hes not saying it in a mocking way. thats it. he meant that shit. hes here to cut down the strongest guy, Kaido.

No hes here to kill the so called strongest.

 

[critical mindset]

How can you debate this? Do you refuse to know what the hell is a WSC?

And Oda used the word 'Saikyō Seibutsu (最強 生物): which translated as The Strongest Biological Being / The Strongest Creature Among All Beings. Seibutsu includes all living things in the world, including humans. The reason why free manga sites misspell Kaido's title is because the English word "Creature" has plural meanings, but in the original scan there is no ambiguity because the word 'Seibutsu' is the one being used, which is why Kaido was not given the title "Strongest Man" or anything like that, because he is simply not human.

Kaido's title isn't ambiguous at all in the japanese version, his title 100% include humans.

You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature .

https://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu
seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things.

The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.

In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.

Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.

It seems Kaido is stronger based on the translation and now he is starting to show massive feats, but you think he already knows about the One Piece then and simply doesn't find it interesting? Akainu would be able to attain it within a year and BM can't come close to this (Kaido>>BM however)

You remember if Kaido was interested in or found out anything about Toki? Because there were rumours about her being from the past, and she should hold direct answers to many of the questions surrounding the AK and the covered up history. Did Kaido ever find out about Toki's true idenity?

 

[nik87]

Candies: Gifters, gifters, gifters!
Oda's response: Here are the gifters you asked for.

Kaido doubters: He isn't nr1.
Oda's response - What will it be? Can anyone see the pattern of the ultimate troll?

 

[Peroroncino]

and hes not saying it in a mocking way. thats it. he meant that shit. hes here to cut down the strongest guy, Kaido.

I get the feeling you will be in denial about zoro mocking kaido even if the official translation confirms it.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Oh my God. I stopped with you.

Fair enough this is manga . Titles likes pirate king, WSC and WSM can be looked in different way.

You feel kaido is strongest creature but was never categorically stated to be stronger than WB and Gold Roger.

 

[Reign]

No hes here to kill the so called strongest.

nah hes here to cut Waido, the strongest in the world. That ending panel.... yeah Oda knew he needed that extra push from Zoro to make it even more grand

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I get the feeling you will be in denial about zoro mocking kaido even if the official translation confirms it.

nope. Never been like that, and never will. Im just saying i think the official will not add sumn like that. besides it's just an L tho no biggie

 

[kenedyfake]

Mihalwk HYPE BACK.

 

[Dark Hound]

That feat was horrible anyways. All it did was cut his clothes and give him a paper cut lmao. It only looked cool.

I dont give a fuck that's not the point

 

[Garps tekkai]

I feel you bro, I like Zoro but aldo found this Apoo-Zoro-Drake scene unrealistic somehow. Hope Drake will surprise us in the future

I mean I can see how Apo is pretty damn strong. This trope of "hax df users = weak in stats" does not always have to come true. And with Apo's rivalry with Kid and his general portrayal among the supernovas even pre ts, it makes a lot of sense for him to be in that physical strength camp, even though he has got a "hax" df. Dude is legitimately strong.

But hybrid Drake? It's not like base Drake was lacking in strength in the first place, as seen when he could keep up with Zoro some chapters back. I dunno, mate. It's like Oda simply ignores that ancient Zoan stat boost, even though it's not typical for Oda to do that. He actually gives a damn about those things most of the time.
I wouldn't say shit if Drake would have the "Dachshund"-Zoan, but man, he's a freakin Allosaurus... :D

 

[MarineHQ]

Any idea what Kaido intends to do with Onigashima?

I mean i doubt he wants to slam it on top of the people in the capital considering that he wanted to enslave them.

Maybe he creates another sky island by landing on top of mount fuji, lol

 

[Fallen Prince]

Any idea what Kaido intends to do with Onigashima?

I mean i doubt he wants to slam it on top of the people in the capital considering that he wanted to enslave them.

Maybe he creates another sky island by landing on top of mount fuji, lol

He is transporting it to flower capital.

 

[Marimo_420]

@BangMi @SDfear My apologies, you were right, the spoiler provider is a hardcore Zorofan.
A third of the chapter was omitted because of Sanji...
Solo fighting Drake when Zoro "Oneshoted" him...
LMAO xD
Is still a good feat, but not that good xD

Early spoilers actually saved Sanji, rather than the supposed Zoro overhype you're talking about.

All we got was- "Sanji got captured by Black Maria" when in reality he got knocked tf out by 2 gifters.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

can you give us the exact figure at which point you would take the opinion of characters into consideration?

Can you give an exact figure for how many people would have to think the earth is flat for you to become a flat earther?

 

[Utsuro]

Kaido is the second (presumed) Mythical Zoan to be able to use his ability in his base form. Unless you think his humanoid state is actually his hybrid form and we haven't seen his real body.

The first one to use his DF in base was Marco (with his healing flames). So, basically, that means Orochi (and every other Mythical Zoan) should be able to use their abilities in base as well. Which means the whole "he can regenerate his head" theory sounds more plausible.

Also, Mythical Zoans are getting cooler and cooler. I hope Kaido has even more abilities.

On another note, I wonder what Oda wants to do with Zoro here. This felt very sudden. I'm really suprised by this chapter (in a good way). I hope I'll keep getting surprised.

 

[Hiragaro]

lmao

 

[OEKaneki]

How's even possible to think that Mihawk>Kaido at this point in the manga?

It’s not and it never was. Just fanboys. There was always a chasm between him and the Yonko. He admitted it himself, when he tried to “measure the distance” between him and Whitebead, who at that point was sick and dying. And then on top of that, Oda had the resulting slash get stopped by Jozu. It was never an argument for anyone people should take seriously on the matter, and was mostly spread by ridiculous Zoro and Mihawk fanboys.