Break Week Sanji and Zoro vs Jack?

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#63
Zoro and Sanji vs Jack before they go on to fight King and Queen solo respectively?

Np.
 
#66
Inu and Neko will survive but lose suulong form. They'll use their teamwork to defeat Awakened Jack.
Marco will defeat King
Drake will defeat Queen in revenge
Kid will either maim or kill Apoo
Jinbei vs Sasaki
Zoro vs Who's Who
Killer vs Black Maria
Yamato vs Ulti
Sanji vs Page One

All of the zoans will have awakened zoans they've yet to show, even drake and the tobi roppo.

Robin, Raizou, Shinobu, and like Usopp or Nami vs Oniwabanshu, Raizou loses to the leader (maybe not taken out entirely) with some "we used to be rivals but I've been training to be stronger than you during the 20 years", and robin will defeat him after that in his stead.

Franky vs Holdem (wwe wrestler who has fire explosions, a ball punching gimmick, etc, the most franky opponent ever and has had proper build up for a strawhat fight)

Brook vs Sheepshead, and then brook will help a lot with other things like the ice zombies + big mom creations

Chopper vs Hatcha (strongest number, who are weaker than the tobi roppo clearly, but are decent giants)

Law and Hawkins fight for a duration.

In the end: Kid, Luffy, Drake, Law, and Hawkins (the top 5 supernova as mentioned by shakky pre timeskip, which was oda building up this moment) will stand in a line and challenge Big Mom and Kaidou in a 5 v 2 (marco might get involved too). At some point zoro will help and land one hit before being dropped in one hit, but not till after he draws a little blood. The 5 top supernova captains (+ maybe marco, who would help a lot against big mom in particular) will push awakened zoan kaidou and big mom, be it he crushes them or is desperate, kaidou flies off and attacks the flower capital, where the final parts of the fight wil be.
 
#68
Inu and Neko will survive but lose suulong form. They'll use their teamwork to defeat Awakened Jack.
Marco will defeat King
Drake will defeat Queen in revenge
Kid will either maim or kill Apoo
Jinbei vs Sasaki
Zoro vs Who's Who
Killer vs Black Maria
Yamato vs Ulti
Sanji vs Page One

All of the zoans will have awakened zoans they've yet to show, even drake and the tobi roppo.

Robin, Raizou, Shinobu, and like Usopp or Nami vs Oniwabanshu, Raizou loses to the leader (maybe not taken out entirely) with some "we used to be rivals but I've been training to be stronger than you during the 20 years", and robin will defeat him after that in his stead.

Franky vs Holdem (wwe wrestler who has fire explosions, a ball punching gimmick, etc, the most franky opponent ever and has had proper build up for a strawhat fight)

Brook vs Sheepshead, and then brook will help a lot with other things like the ice zombies + big mom creations

Chopper vs Hatcha (strongest number, who are weaker than the tobi roppo clearly, but are decent giants)

Law and Hawkins fight for a duration.

In the end: Kid, Luffy, Drake, Law, and Hawkins (the top 5 supernova as mentioned by shakky pre timeskip, which was oda building up this moment) will stand in a line and challenge Big Mom and Kaidou in a 5 v 2 (marco might get involved too). At some point zoro will help and land one hit before being dropped in one hit, but not till after he draws a little blood. The 5 top supernova captains (+ maybe marco, who would help a lot against big mom in particular) will push awakened zoan kaidou and big mom, be it he crushes them or is desperate, kaidou flies off and attacks the flower capital, where the final parts of the fight wil be.
This one is more reasonable:

Zoro versus King
Nami & Usopp versus Ulti
Sanji versus Queen
Chopper versus Page One
Robin versus Black Maria
Franky versus Sasaki
Brook versus Page One
Jimbei versus Jack
 
#70
This one is more reasonable:

Zoro versus King
Nami & Usopp versus Ulti
Sanji versus Queen
Chopper versus Page One
Robin versus Black Maria
Franky versus Sasaki
Brook versus Page One
Jimbei versus Jack
You do realize that Zoro is going to be fighting a top commander in like 3 arcs (end of next saga) when they fight blackbeard, right? What you're essentially saying is zoro has essentially peaked and won't get any stronger. Luffy isn't yonkou level, jinbei, zoro, and sanji aren't top commander level yet. This arc is very much the ninja pirate samurai alliance vs kaidou, big mom, and the beast pirates, and not the strawhats vs the beast pirates. THe first yonkou crew the strawhats one v one are the blackbeard pirates, THAT is the moment they will become a yonkou tier crew.

Also in your hypothetical world, who are Marco, Kid, Drake, Asura, Denjiro, Kawamatsu, Hawkins, Law, Inu, Neko, Killer, Yamato, etc supposed to fight, bat-man? Your fights make no sense tbh, considering page one (the weakest of the tobi roppo) required sanji to effectively spam his invisibility to land hits, and page one is able to tank hits not only from sanji, but also a g3 luffy punch.

This is the gap between monster trio and middle trio:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/5087068-lucci tekkai 2.jpg

Effectively speaking, anyone who is on sanji level would essentially fodderize the middle trio. Page One and Ulti are the weakest tobi roppo, with Ulti being slightly stronger than Page One.

This move would kill Brook, and it's Page One's intro, and the tobi roppo (and top commanders and kaidou) probably have awakened zoans.
https://pm1.narvii.com/7426/433a3240c99a312a76e9cde19e1fe69d504ab07er1-720-1280v2_hq.jpg

Nami and Usopp vs Ulti was essentially to show how out of their depth they were. Page One and Ulti are Kaidou's 8th and 9th strongest crew members.

King > Queen > Jack > Apoo > Sasaki > Who's Who > Black Maria > Ulti > Page One

Nami and Usopp are Luffy's current 7th and 8th strongest strawhat.

Jinbei? > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Brook > Robin > Chopper > Nami > Usopp

It was essentially oda showing the gap between the beast pirates and the strawhats, thus reinforcing the need for the strawhats to have allies this arc.

Literally the strawhats ONLY have to be yonkou crew leveled eos, that's literally like their end game. Kaidou is the strongest pirate in the world.
 

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#71
You do realize that Zoro is going to be fighting a top commander in like 3 arcs (end of next saga) when they fight blackbeard, right? What you're essentially saying is zoro has essentially peaked and won't get any stronger. Luffy isn't yonkou level, jinbei, zoro, and sanji aren't top commander level yet. This arc is very much the ninja pirate samurai alliance vs kaidou, big mom, and the beast pirates, and not the strawhats vs the beast pirates. THe first yonkou crew the strawhats one v one are the blackbeard pirates, THAT is the moment they will become a yonkou tier crew.

Also in your hypothetical world, who are Marco, Kid, Drake, Asura, Denjiro, Kawamatsu, Hawkins, Law, Inu, Neko, Killer, Yamato, etc supposed to fight, bat-man? Your fights make no sense tbh, considering page one (the weakest of the tobi roppo) required sanji to effectively spam his invisibility to land hits, and page one is able to tank hits not only from sanji, but also a g3 luffy punch.

This is the gap between monster trio and middle trio:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/5087068-lucci tekkai 2.jpg

Effectively speaking, anyone who is on sanji level would essentially fodderize the middle trio. Page One and Ulti are the weakest tobi roppo, with Ulti being slightly stronger than Page One.

This move would kill Brook, and it's Page One's intro, and the tobi roppo (and top commanders and kaidou) probably have awakened zoans.
https://pm1.narvii.com/7426/433a3240c99a312a76e9cde19e1fe69d504ab07er1-720-1280v2_hq.jpg

Nami and Usopp vs Ulti was essentially to show how out of their depth they were. Page One and Ulti are Kaidou's 8th and 9th strongest crew members.

King > Queen > Jack > Apoo > Sasaki > Who's Who > Black Maria > Ulti > Page One

Nami and Usopp are Luffy's current 7th and 8th strongest strawhat.

Jinbei? > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Brook > Robin > Chopper > Nami > Usopp

It was essentially oda showing the gap between the beast pirates and the strawhats, thus reinforcing the need for the strawhats to have allies this arc.

Literally the strawhats ONLY have to be yonkou crew leveled eos, that's literally like their end game. Kaidou is the strongest pirate in the world.
BB and his crew will overcome Rock and his crew
 
#72
You do realize that Zoro is going to be fighting a top commander in like 3 arcs (end of next saga) when they fight blackbeard, right? What you're essentially saying is zoro has essentially peaked and won't get any stronger. Luffy isn't yonkou level, jinbei, zoro, and sanji aren't top commander level yet. This arc is very much the ninja pirate samurai alliance vs kaidou, big mom, and the beast pirates, and not the strawhats vs the beast pirates. THe first yonkou crew the strawhats one v one are the blackbeard pirates, THAT is the moment they will become a yonkou tier crew.

Also in your hypothetical world, who are Marco, Kid, Drake, Asura, Denjiro, Kawamatsu, Hawkins, Law, Inu, Neko, Killer, Yamato, etc supposed to fight, bat-man? Your fights make no sense tbh, considering page one (the weakest of the tobi roppo) required sanji to effectively spam his invisibility to land hits, and page one is able to tank hits not only from sanji, but also a g3 luffy punch.

This is the gap between monster trio and middle trio:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/5087068-lucci tekkai 2.jpg

Effectively speaking, anyone who is on sanji level would essentially fodderize the middle trio. Page One and Ulti are the weakest tobi roppo, with Ulti being slightly stronger than Page One.

This move would kill Brook, and it's Page One's intro, and the tobi roppo (and top commanders and kaidou) probably have awakened zoans.
https://pm1.narvii.com/7426/433a3240c99a312a76e9cde19e1fe69d504ab07er1-720-1280v2_hq.jpg

Nami and Usopp vs Ulti was essentially to show how out of their depth they were. Page One and Ulti are Kaidou's 8th and 9th strongest crew members.

King > Queen > Jack > Apoo > Sasaki > Who's Who > Black Maria > Ulti > Page One

Nami and Usopp are Luffy's current 7th and 8th strongest strawhat.

Jinbei? > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Brook > Robin > Chopper > Nami > Usopp

It was essentially oda showing the gap between the beast pirates and the strawhats, thus reinforcing the need for the strawhats to have allies this arc.

Literally the strawhats ONLY have to be yonkou crew leveled eos, that's literally like their end game. Kaidou is the strongest pirate in the world.
The strawhats will be above Yonkou level also there is the BMP as well
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Inu and Neko will survive but lose suulong form. They'll use their teamwork to defeat Awakened Jack.
Marco will defeat King
Drake will defeat Queen in revenge
Kid will either maim or kill Apoo
Jinbei vs Sasaki
Zoro vs Who's Who
Killer vs Black Maria
Yamato vs Ulti
Sanji vs Page One

All of the zoans will have awakened zoans they've yet to show, even drake and the tobi roppo.

Robin, Raizou, Shinobu, and like Usopp or Nami vs Oniwabanshu, Raizou loses to the leader (maybe not taken out entirely) with some "we used to be rivals but I've been training to be stronger than you during the 20 years", and robin will defeat him after that in his stead.

Franky vs Holdem (wwe wrestler who has fire explosions, a ball punching gimmick, etc, the most franky opponent ever and has had proper build up for a strawhat fight)

Brook vs Sheepshead, and then brook will help a lot with other things like the ice zombies + big mom creations

Chopper vs Hatcha (strongest number, who are weaker than the tobi roppo clearly, but are decent giants)

Law and Hawkins fight for a duration.

In the end: Kid, Luffy, Drake, Law, and Hawkins (the top 5 supernova as mentioned by shakky pre timeskip, which was oda building up this moment) will stand in a line and challenge Big Mom and Kaidou in a 5 v 2 (marco might get involved too). At some point zoro will help and land one hit before being dropped in one hit, but not till after he draws a little blood. The 5 top supernova captains (+ maybe marco, who would help a lot against big mom in particular) will push awakened zoan kaidou and big mom, be it he crushes them or is desperate, kaidou flies off and attacks the flower capital, where the final parts of the fight wil be.
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? you want the weaker strawhats to fight fodder. Even though Marco could beat King and itโ€™s logical and cool matchup what the hell does it do for the story. This is what happens when ignore the story in favor of PLs
 
#74
The strawhats will be above Yonkou level also there is the BMP as well
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ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? you want the weaker strawhats to fight fodder. Even though Marco could beat King and itโ€™s logical and cool matchup what the hell does it do for the story. This is what happens when ignore the story in favor of PLs
The only big mom pirates in this fight are big mom and perospero.

Franky vs Holdem, the guy who literally had like 5 chapters devoted to him to set up his importance and power so that Franky could have a fight with him, he's a headliner, ie pretty much the next best thing after the tobi roppo, essentially the equivalent of people like Pekoms and Tamago. Holdem is based on wwe wrestlers (which fits the theme of a franky fight), has a lion wwe belt that punches his balls (matches the comedy of a franky fight), and can shoot giant explosive fireballs (a parellel of franky shooting lasers), the fight will be heavily cqc based with both using their ranged attacks here and there.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/404/396/dff.png

Robin, Raizou, Shinobu, and maybe like Usopp's opponents will be the Oniwabanshu. Robin and others have had interactions with them and they have plot relevance, they also are the top ninja of wano:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20200927045557

Brook vs Sheepshead (who is a headliner):
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/J58oVqs8Q5s/maxresdefault.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...est/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20160501111902

Chopper vs Hatcha (the strongest of the numbers, and the most prominent), monster point vs giant
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...est/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20200609204722

Luffy isn't Kaidou leveled
Zoro isn't King leveled
Sanji isn't Queen leveled
etc

The point of this arc is that the strawhats NEED the allis, and the allies NEED them. The arc where the strawhats do what you claim is when they fight blackbeard, that'll be their first yonkou crew they 1 v 1, this arc is a group effort. Also Marco, Kid, Law, etc are all future allies who will be massively important for the final war against the world government. This is literally their arc to shine before they dissapear for like 5 arcs.

But yeah, none of the strawhat enemies are weak, they just aren't going to solo the beast pirates. Also the enemies the strawhats are fighting are the ones who've got a shit ton of focus narratively. Holdem, Sheepshead, etc, despite being weaker than the tobi roppo, have effectively gotten more screen time than them. Sheepshead was literally jack's number 1 and played a big part in zou. Holdem had a whole little story arc where they were in charge of a region and luffy went to confront him. THe oniwabanshu have been given proper attention and have had multiple skirmishes with the strawhats at different points. (like zoro has 1 or 2 of them at the bridge, they had that whole giant palace thing that involved robin trying to infiltrate and them getting in her way, likely a prelude to robin and co teaming up to defeat them and their leader, who was raizou's old rival and who has had 20 years to train since then to at least get a bit stronger)

Like, these aren't scrub characters. Bobbins solod new world kingdoms and pretty much every single character is stronger than bobbins besides the weaker oniwabanshu (and they are more of a package deal to their lead). The oniwabanshu fight will be a lot of gimmicky tricks and glass canons, which feels like a perfect place for robin, nami, and usopp to be. Like they'll be dropping smoke bombs and dynamite, using gimmicky devil fruits ie "ninjutsu", etc, and it'll be a very dynamic fight for them.

Honestly, not only do I think the power scale matches mine more, I think my idea on fights is just a much more interesting situation, also it doesn't make sense to give usopp and chopper more powerful enemies than luffy's rivals and marco.
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BB and his crew will overcome Rock and his crew
You do realize for that to happen, blackbeard would not only have to surpass someone stronger than a pirate king more or less, his crew would have to consist of people on the level of prime whitebeard, prime shiki, prime big mom, young Kaidou, Prime John, Prime etc.

It's just not happening. Also if the strawhats defeated that force, the world government (the actual final villains) will be steamrolled besides Imu. Because like, the final arc will essentially be Imu, Cp0, maybe the Gorousei, Akainu, Kizaru, and that's about it (bar misc vice admirals and below), vs Strawhats and ALL of their allies on the kingdom, pirate, and marine side (smoker, drake, ishoo, etc will be on their side)

So nah, blackbeard pirates will rival the other yonkou crew, in the end, luffy really only has to be like elite yonkou level to even defeat imu. Kaidou is like the 3rd strongest character in the one piece world, following Imu and Garp. (living ofc)
 
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#75
The only big mom pirates in this fight are big mom and perospero.

Franky vs Holdem, the guy who literally had like 5 chapters devoted to him to set up his importance and power so that Franky could have a fight with him, he's a headliner, ie pretty much the next best thing after the tobi roppo, essentially the equivalent of people like Pekoms and Tamago. Holdem is based on wwe wrestlers (which fits the theme of a franky fight), has a lion wwe belt that punches his balls (matches the comedy of a franky fight), and can shoot giant explosive fireballs (a parellel of franky shooting lasers), the fight will be heavily cqc based with both using their ranged attacks here and there.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/404/396/dff.png

Robin, Raizou, Shinobu, and maybe like Usopp's opponents will be the Oniwabanshu. Robin and others have had interactions with them and they have plot relevance, they also are the top ninja of wano:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...Infobox.png/revision/latest?cb=20200927045557

Brook vs Sheepshead (who is a headliner):
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/J58oVqs8Q5s/maxresdefault.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/1/15/Sheep's_Horn.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20160501111902

Chopper vs Hatcha (the strongest of the numbers, and the most prominent), monster point vs giant
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/o...est/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20200609204722

Luffy isn't Kaidou leveled
Zoro isn't King leveled
Sanji isn't Queen leveled
etc

The point of this arc is that the strawhats NEED the allis, and the allies NEED them. The arc where the strawhats do what you claim is when they fight blackbeard, that'll be their first yonkou crew they 1 v 1, this arc is a group effort. Also Marco, Kid, Law, etc are all future allies who will be massively important for the final war against the world government. This is literally their arc to shine before they dissapear for like 5 arcs.

But yeah, none of the strawhat enemies are weak, they just aren't going to solo the beast pirates. Also the enemies the strawhats are fighting are the ones who've got a shit ton of focus narratively. Holdem, Sheepshead, etc, despite being weaker than the tobi roppo, have effectively gotten more screen time than them. Sheepshead was literally jack's number 1 and played a big part in zou. Holdem had a whole little story arc where they were in charge of a region and luffy went to confront him. THe oniwabanshu have been given proper attention and have had multiple skirmishes with the strawhats at different points. (like zoro has 1 or 2 of them at the bridge, they had that whole giant palace thing that involved robin trying to infiltrate and them getting in her way, likely a prelude to robin and co teaming up to defeat them and their leader, who was raizou's old rival and who has had 20 years to train since then to at least get a bit stronger)

Like, these aren't scrub characters. Bobbins solod new world kingdoms and pretty much every single character is stronger than bobbins besides the weaker oniwabanshu (and they are more of a package deal to their lead). The oniwabanshu fight will be a lot of gimmicky tricks and glass canons, which feels like a perfect place for robin, nami, and usopp to be. Like they'll be dropping smoke bombs and dynamite, using gimmicky devil fruits ie "ninjutsu", etc, and it'll be a very dynamic fight for them.

Honestly, not only do I think the power scale matches mine more, I think my idea on fights is just a much more interesting situation, also it doesn't make sense to give usopp and chopper more powerful enemies than luffy's rivals and marco.
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You do realize for that to happen, blackbeard would not only have to surpass someone stronger than a pirate king more or less, his crew would have to consist of people on the level of prime whitebeard, prime shiki, prime big mom, young Kaidou, Prime John, Prime etc.

It's just not happening. Also if the strawhats defeated that force, the world government (the actual final villains) will be steamrolled besides Imu. Because like, the final arc will essentially be Imu, Cp0, maybe the Gorousei, Akainu, Kizaru, and that's about it (bar misc vice admirals and below), vs Strawhats and ALL of their allies on the kingdom, pirate, and marine side (smoker, drake, ishoo, etc will be on their side)

So nah, blackbeard pirates will rival the other yonkou crew, in the end, luffy really only has to be like elite yonkou level to even defeat imu. Kaidou is like the 3rd strongest character in the one piece world, following Imu and Garp. (living ofc)
Yes they are weak and have no focus the oniwanabanshus names were revealed in an SBS you really think Oda wants them to fight the SH. Also BBP will be> Rocks whoa are> other Yonko. Shiryu>>>>King Laffitte>>>> Queen Auger>>>>>P1
The BMP can also come at any time.
Good bye.
 
#76
Yes they are weak and have no focus the oniwanabanshus names were revealed in an SBS you really think Oda wants them to fight the SH. Also BBP will be> Rocks whoa are> other Yonko. Shiryu>>>>King Laffitte>>>> Queen Auger>>>>>P1
The BMP can also come at any time.
Good bye.
Why are you pretending like I'm having the oniwabanshu vs strawhats. Robin, Raizou, Shinbou, and like Usopp are fighting like 11 named ninja, including their leader who is important to the plot. The oniwanshu is like the opponent of 2 strawhats.

No, blackbeard won't surpass rocks, luffy's rocks like fight is going to be Imu. Also no, blackbeard isn't going to suddenly have people who are as strong as prime whitebeard, prime shiki, and prime big mom.

The Big Mom Pirates are going to show up at the end to carry Big Mom away. They literally took like half the arc after the last fall, perospero only was fine cuz he created a slime to avoid avoid falling into the ocean. The whole literal point of marco doing that was to ragdoll them out of the arc. Also marco's comment about when they show up the age of pirates will look different would mean nothing if they showed up in time to fight. Essentially the big mom remnants are going to be future allies.

You keep pretending people like chopper can beat people who were pushing raid suit sanji I guess.
 
#77
Why are you pretending like I'm having the oniwabanshu vs strawhats. Robin, Raizou, Shinbou, and like Usopp are fighting like 11 named ninja, including their leader who is important to the plot. The oniwanshu is like the opponent of 2 strawhats.

No, blackbeard won't surpass rocks, luffy's rocks like fight is going to be Imu. Also no, blackbeard isn't going to suddenly have people who are as strong as prime whitebeard, prime shiki, and prime big mom.

The Big Mom Pirates are going to show up at the end to carry Big Mom away. They literally took like half the arc after the last fall, perospero only was fine cuz he created a slime to avoid avoid falling into the ocean. The whole literal point of marco doing that was to ragdoll them out of the arc. Also marco's comment about when they show up the age of pirates will look different would mean nothing if they showed up in time to fight.
Headcanon Im is weaker than Mayor Woopslap if we use canon feats
 
#78
You do realize that Zoro is going to be fighting a top commander in like 3 arcs (end of next saga) when they fight blackbeard, right? What you're essentially saying is zoro has essentially peaked and won't get any stronger. Luffy isn't yonkou level, jinbei, zoro, and sanji aren't top commander level yet. This arc is very much the ninja pirate samurai alliance vs kaidou, big mom, and the beast pirates, and not the strawhats vs the beast pirates. THe first yonkou crew the strawhats one v one are the blackbeard pirates, THAT is the moment they will become a yonkou tier crew.

Also in your hypothetical world, who are Marco, Kid, Drake, Asura, Denjiro, Kawamatsu, Hawkins, Law, Inu, Neko, Killer, Yamato, etc supposed to fight, bat-man? Your fights make no sense tbh, considering page one (the weakest of the tobi roppo) required sanji to effectively spam his invisibility to land hits, and page one is able to tank hits not only from sanji, but also a g3 luffy punch.

This is the gap between monster trio and middle trio:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/5087068-lucci tekkai 2.jpg

Effectively speaking, anyone who is on sanji level would essentially fodderize the middle trio. Page One and Ulti are the weakest tobi roppo, with Ulti being slightly stronger than Page One.

This move would kill Brook, and it's Page One's intro, and the tobi roppo (and top commanders and kaidou) probably have awakened zoans.
https://pm1.narvii.com/7426/433a3240c99a312a76e9cde19e1fe69d504ab07er1-720-1280v2_hq.jpg

Nami and Usopp vs Ulti was essentially to show how out of their depth they were. Page One and Ulti are Kaidou's 8th and 9th strongest crew members.

King > Queen > Jack > Apoo > Sasaki > Who's Who > Black Maria > Ulti > Page One

Nami and Usopp are Luffy's current 7th and 8th strongest strawhat.

Jinbei? > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Brook > Robin > Chopper > Nami > Usopp

It was essentially oda showing the gap between the beast pirates and the strawhats, thus reinforcing the need for the strawhats to have allies this arc.

Literally the strawhats ONLY have to be yonkou crew leveled eos, that's literally like their end game. Kaidou is the strongest pirate in the world.
My match-ups are based on observable patterns. Match-ups are for the enemy's top guys and last for 14 chapters. The Disasters and Tobi Roppo are Kaido's top guys, but Oda's extending the match-up length for irrelevant members like Holdem and Sheepshead, who's only relevant in Zou, why? You even have Haccha there without any regards to the Numbers who'd make the match-ups EVEN longer. Don't get me wrong, I expect the match-ups to be longer than the norm but only to include the Big Mom Pirates (likely just Smoothie, Compote, Daifuku, and MAYBE Oven and Snack).

When you look further back in the manga, this "but power levels" argument doesn't hold up. Sanji goes from barely hurting Bluneo to beating Jabra in a SINGLE arc; Jabra is over a thousand more times stronger than Blueno. The other CP9 who was BARELY close to Blueno in strength got clobbered by Chopper. Beating the Disasters and Tobi Roppo seem too much, but it just reinforces Oda's statement this will be the Straw Hats' strongest battle yet. What could possibly be so difficult about Franky fighting Holdem when he'd have the same difficulty against an officer of Doflamingo's crew?

For your other stuff: Zoro's not tapping out at YC1 when the WSS's is Yonko level. EOS Blackbeard will be as strong (if not stronger) as Primebeard, who is stronger than Kaido. EOS Straw Hat Pirates will be above the Yonko crew just as Roger's crew was.
 
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My match-ups are based on observable patterns. Match-ups are for the enemy's top guys and last for 14 chapters. The Disasters and Tobi Roppo are Kaido's top guys, but Oda's extending the match-up length for irrelevant members like Holdem and Sheepshead, who's only relevant in Zou, why? You even have Haccha there without any regards to the Numbers who'd make the match-ups EVEN longer. Don't get me wrong, I expect the match-ups to be longer than the norm but only to include the Big Mom Pirates (likely just Smoothie, Compote, Daifuku, and MAYBE Oven and Snack).

When you look further back in the manga, this "but power levels" argument doesn't hold up. Sanji goes from barely hurting Bluneo to beating Jabra in a SINGLE arc; Jabra is over a thousand more times stronger than Blueno. The other CP9 who was BARELY close to Blueno in strength got clobbered by Chopper. Beating the Disasters and Tobi Roppo seem too much, but it just reinforces Oda's statement this will be the Straw Hats' strongest battle yet. What could possibly be so difficult about Franky fighting Holdem when he'd have the same difficulty against an officer of Doflamingo's crew?

For your other stuff: Zoro's not tapping out at YC1 when the WSS's is Yonko level. EOS Blackbeard will be as strong (if not stronger) as Primebeard, who is stronger than Kaido. EOS Straw Hat Pirates will be above the Yonko crew just as Roger's crew was.
The thing is though that the strawhats have A LOT of allies here, the samurai-ninja-mink-pirate alliance is what was built up to fight them, etc.

Look at dressrosa, yes, some strawhats were gone, but robin and co weren't fighting the strongest people that arc, Kyros fought Diamate, Law defeated Trebol and Vergo (who is doflamingo's first mate), Law defeated one of the yeti cool brothers as well, the allies defeated pretty much the entirety of the crew, leaving only sugar, pica, and senor pink for the crew.

In the end it's this simple: At the end of the next saga, the strawhats will 1 v 1 the blackbeard Pirates. Luffy will fight Blackbeard. Zoro will fight Shiryuu. Etc etc. For that to make sense, the strawhats can't ALREADY be at that level now, heck, Kaidou is stronger than Blackbeard will likely be. This is the arc where the alliance wins, this is the "we barely scrapped together a win together", the blackbeard arc is the traditional enies lobby style situation, where the strawhats line up and match up one v one.

Of course this will be the strongest battle yet, Holdem is stronger than Senior Pink. Sheepshead is stronger than Jora. Who's Who is stronger than Pica. Hatcha is stronger than one yeti cool brother. And there are countless powerful people running around and so forth. Same difficulty? Holdem is much stronger than senor pink, also this is a fight that franky can go all out with his tech instead of just avoiding using his laser to have a man on man fight with senor pink. This is very much a no holds bar "i'm going to use my giant mech and pacifista laser blasts" kind of situation.

If you think the guy who was stalemated by Vista is Yonkou level, I don't know whta to tell you.

It doesn't matter how strong blackbeard ends up, rocks is arguably stronger than prime roger, and in his crew, he has prime whitebeard and stuff, shiryuu is never reaching prime whitebeard level. Literally blackbeard would have to jump up 2 tiers + recruit kaidou, big mom, shanks, marco, and like 12 other powerful crew member captains to have a crew compared to the one rocks had.
 
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The thing is though that the strawhats have A LOT of allies here, the samurai-ninja-mink-pirate alliance is what was built up to fight them, etc.
And they will fight the Big Mom Pirates, used as Kaido's hype tools, and maybe help the Straw Hats with their opponents (especially Ulti and Page One).

Look at dressrosa, yes, some strawhats were gone, but robin and co weren't fighting the strongest people that arc, Kyros fought Diamate, Law defeated Trebol and Vergo (who is doflamingo's first mate), Law defeated one of the yeti cool brothers as well, the allies defeated pretty much the entirety of the crew, leaving only sugar, pica, and senor pink for the crew.
Half of the Straw Hats' absence shows this example doesn't cut it. Zoro defeated Pica, arguably Doflamingo's strongest Seat outside Vergo (and maybe stronger than Vergo). Franky and Usopp still fought Doflamingo's top guys. Even outside the match-ups, Brook beat Giolla, and Nami and Usopp took down Buffalo and Baby 5. Most of the allies who took down the rest became part of Luffy's Grand Fleet.

Vergo's irrelevant since he wasn't in Dressrosa Arc.

In the end it's this simple: At the end of the next saga, the strawhats will 1 v 1 the blackbeard Pirates. Luffy will fight Blackbeard. Zoro will fight Shiryuu. Etc etc. For that to make sense, the strawhats can't ALREADY be at that level now, heck, Kaidou is stronger than Blackbeard will likely be. This is the arc where the alliance wins, this is the "we barely scrapped together a win together", the blackbeard arc is the traditional enies lobby style situation, where the strawhats line up and match up one v one.
Only the bolded qualifies as an argument, but it's too damn weak. How does Zoro soloing King affect a match-up between a future battle against Shiryu? Everything else is a baseless claim especially the "Kaido is stronger than Blackbeard will likely be" part.

Of course this will be the strongest battle yet, Holdem is stronger than Senior Pink. Sheepshead is stronger than Jora. Who's Who is stronger than Pica. Hatcha is stronger than one yeti cool brother. And there are countless powerful people running around and so forth. Same difficulty? Holdem is much stronger than senor pink, also this is a fight that franky can go all out with his tech instead of just avoiding using his laser to have a man on man fight with senor pink. This is very much a no holds bar "i'm going to use my giant mech and pacifista laser blasts" kind of situation.
Readers familiar with One Piece can buy the weaker six winning against Ministers and Headliners and Zoro and Sanji winning against Big Mom's veterans and the Tobi Roppo. Being stronger isn't going to cut it when we had it since the pre timeskip. Kaku is stronger than Ohm who is stronger than Mr. 1. Zoro and Sanji beating the heavy hitters who are Supernova-spanking machines is another thing entirely.

And for the last time, Oda is not wasting match-up chapters on normal Headliners; they're irrelevant.

If you think the guy who was stalemated by Vista is Yonkou level, I don't know whta to tell you.
If Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman and Big Mom and Shanks are swordsmen, they are weaker than Mihawk by default. If Big Mom's swordsmanship could compete against Kaido, just think what Mihawk would do.

It doesn't matter how strong blackbeard ends up, rocks is arguably stronger than prime roger, and in his crew, he has prime whitebeard and stuff, shiryuu is never reaching prime whitebeard level. Literally blackbeard would have to jump up 2 tiers + recruit kaidou, big mom, shanks, marco, and like 12 other powerful crew member captains to have a crew compared to the one rocks had.
Entirely a moot point since Rocks had those three when they were weaker.
 
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