Questions & Mysteries What makes Shanks > Mihawk?
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Oda is not calling anyone as strongest. There is no such a thing Oda is informing the viewers from outside of the manga. He just said Kaido > Akainu in SBS one time, and when they also asked who is stronger Zoro or Sanji, he doesn't say anything, as well as he didn't say anything about who is stronger Akainu or Aokiji, or Kizaru in the SBS.
Every strongest / greatest title is just a rumor. There are no official titles and they are not like military ranks.
As well as mihawk's title is no different, it's just a rumor.
Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica. They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman
Anyone with a brain knows Yonko > Yonko commander, but they are comparing Shanks to Vista when it comes to greatest swordsman title.
Greatest swordsman title doesn't prove anything in terms of overal combat power, which includes Haki levels, durability, strength, speed, etc. etc. That's the reason people definitely believes Whitebeard or Kaido > world's greatest swordsman, there is not even a doubt that world's greatest swordsman can be equal with them. Even mihawk accepted his inferiority against Whitebeard because of this reason, mihawk's level when he achieved the top level swordsman, is still not enough to compete with Yonko level.
But Shanks is.
Shanks > world's greatest swordsman, Shanks is level of above of that useless title.
Every strongest / greatest title is just a rumor. There are no official titles and they are not like military ranks.
As well as mihawk's title is no different, it's just a rumor.
Zoro Novel: ''One marine claims that the strongest swordsman in the world is definitely Mihawk, the other marine claims it's Zoro. They witnessed their sword techniques in marineford and dressrosa. Mihawk cut down gigantic ice block. Zoro cut down gigantic Pica. They start talking about other candidates: Vista, Shanks and Ryuuma. A marine says Vista was able to fight Mihawk equally for a short moment. Ryuma is strong, but he is already dead. According to another marine, Shanks is said to be the rival of Mihawk. He faced Akainu without fear. 2 of the marines have heard that Shanks is a very strong swordsman. But another marine says it's not that Shanks showed his great technique with his sword in Marineford.''
--- Translation by Sandman
Anyone with a brain knows Yonko > Yonko commander, but they are comparing Shanks to Vista when it comes to greatest swordsman title.
Greatest swordsman title doesn't prove anything in terms of overal combat power, which includes Haki levels, durability, strength, speed, etc. etc. That's the reason people definitely believes Whitebeard or Kaido > world's greatest swordsman, there is not even a doubt that world's greatest swordsman can be equal with them. Even mihawk accepted his inferiority against Whitebeard because of this reason, mihawk's level when he achieved the top level swordsman, is still not enough to compete with Yonko level.
But Shanks is.
Shanks > world's greatest swordsman, Shanks is level of above of that useless title.
Because Shanks' fighting style is literally, so far, a 1:1 carbon copy of Roger's as we've seen it. And all we've seen is a generic swing of the sword from both with massive haki clashes to make that assumption, unlike Mihawk who has been using his swords with complete finesse in an entirely different way and is not even remotely compatible to Shanks in this way.
Its highly contradictory to assume one without the other then. The logic isn't sound, which is why I'm saying we need to know more about Roger and Shanks before making said assumption. Neither have ever been compared to implied to have been the WSS or tried to become it.
Its highly contradictory to assume one without the other then. The logic isn't sound, which is why I'm saying we need to know more about Roger and Shanks before making said assumption. Neither have ever been compared to implied to have been the WSS or tried to become it.
Again, not sound logic. You are equating the two generic sword swings you've seen from Shanks to define his entire fighting style, while seeing many different attacks from Mihawk over the years.
Like I said 3 times already being the better swordsman does not indicate better combat ability overall.
I have no fucking doubt in my mind Mihawk is the strongest and best swordsman in the world. Better than Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, etc. Do I think hes the strongest pirate or man or combatant in the world compared to these men? No. Hence his title, and hence why its not comparible at this time.
Like I said 3 times already being the better swordsman does not indicate better combat ability overall.
I have no fucking doubt in my mind Mihawk is the strongest and best swordsman in the world. Better than Roger, Rayleigh, Shanks, etc. Do I think hes the strongest pirate or man or combatant in the world compared to these men? No. Hence his title, and hence why its not comparible at this time.
« Pirate » is a fighting style now?
So you are either a « swordsman » or a « pirate »?
So if Mihawk is a « swordsman » he can be stronger than Kaido who is a « pirate »?
I’m just trying to make sense of the new rule.
On topic: there is nothing that put Shanks above Mihawk strength wise. Which is exactly why during several years (and till this day) some people tried to create « concept » or « logic » to rule Shanks out of the World’s Strongest Swordman title.
So you are either a « swordsman » or a « pirate »?
So if Mihawk is a « swordsman » he can be stronger than Kaido who is a « pirate »?
I’m just trying to make sense of the new rule.
On topic: there is nothing that put Shanks above Mihawk strength wise. Which is exactly why during several years (and till this day) some people tried to create « concept » or « logic » to rule Shanks out of the World’s Strongest Swordman title.
Er no. Its cause weve seen shanks use a sword since he was a kid until now. Mihawks vc outright says hes waiting for the swordsman who surpasses shanks.
No roger doesnt just swing a sword. Coating your blade in haki was mihawks first lesson to zoro in THE WAY OF THE SWORD using ryou was taught to zoro by Koshiro A SWORDSMAN roger could both. Roger has used more named sword moves than mihawk so far too.
No roger doesnt just swing a sword. Coating your blade in haki was mihawks first lesson to zoro in THE WAY OF THE SWORD using ryou was taught to zoro by Koshiro A SWORDSMAN roger could both. Roger has used more named sword moves than mihawk so far too.
?? Idk, what does Kaido or Roger or Whitebeards' titles imply? And way to cherry pick one word out of my comment, I said Pirate OR Man OR Combatant.
Guys, then by this logic, when Zoro surpasses Mihawk, he also surpasses Roger, which is Luffy's entire goal.
It makes zero sense within the context and confines of the story.
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Guys, then by this logic, when Zoro surpasses Mihawk, he also surpasses Roger, which is Luffy's entire goal.
It makes zero sense within the context and confines of the story.
Insult me all you want, but once again, not black and white. It was never implied Shanks lost to Mihawk ever or even tried to become the WSS. Its even a fan guess that Shanks is trying to become Pirate King, which has never been implied either by the story (he is the one Yonko with no clear motivations).
This is a lost cause with you guys. It would literally take Shanks being Luffy's final fight for you to get it, so see you in 10 years I guess if it happens.
This is a lost cause with you guys. It would literally take Shanks being Luffy's final fight for you to get it, so see you in 10 years I guess if it happens.
You are not understanding what I am saying. People are using the logic that Mihawk > Shanks because Shanks has only been shown to use his sword/is a swordsman. Then by that logic, Mihawk > Roger for the exact same fucking reason.
Which means when Zoro > Mihawk, apparently he's the top in the verse because of this "sound" logic and above Luffys own goal. Its a complete logical fallacy.
Which means when Zoro > Mihawk, apparently he's the top in the verse because of this "sound" logic and above Luffys own goal. Its a complete logical fallacy.