King the Wildfire vs Mihawk the Shichibukai
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Well, Zoro says
So its up to Oda. If Oda decides all those you mentioned call themselves swordsmen, Zoro will be stronger than them, simple. Shanks might also call himself a swordsman as well, who knows
As I said, as long as Mihawk is one of the strongest, lets say, even a top 10, its fine. It doesnt matter where Shanks rank.
Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk, i.e. he can be a top 5.
So its up to Oda. If Oda decides all those you mentioned call themselves swordsmen, Zoro will be stronger than them, simple. Shanks might also call himself a swordsman as well, who knows
As I said, as long as Mihawk is one of the strongest, lets say, even a top 10, its fine. It doesnt matter where Shanks rank.
Zoro will be stronger than Mihawk, i.e. he can be a top 5.
vista in the databook is stated to be as skilled in swordmanship as mihawk is
but
technically mihawk's eyes are highlighted in instances where he seems to be using observation haki, the first link is where he tries to spot luffy from a distance.
the 3rd link just shows his face and the fourth link as welll. The only one to highlight his eyes are when he points out luffy is in range and when luffy realises his hands might be cut off which is still a mystery at this point. its also amazing you point out mihawk is attacking luffy there when in the panel shown with crocodile coming at him ivankov and luffy were not behind him. The logic is impeccable here .
if he was swinging at their direction, then they should still be in the vicinity. unnatural position for blocking is as solid of an argument as unnatural position for attacking.you clearly see crocodile's hook swing forward. as to mihawk fighting a high tier 12 yrs ago, highly speculative. shanks power at the time is not conclusive, he could have been a top tier or even a lower tier, tho I have serious doubts if wb reckons many still see their duels as some sort of legend. wb also questioned how someone as strong as him could lose an arm in east blue. attaching yonko to your name does not mean you go from a high tier to a top tier. for all purposes you could have been a top tier for a whie, amassed enough influence and territory and then you became a yonko. I sincerely doubts shanks grew stronger with one arm while mihawk remained the same guy he was when he fought a high tier. I would also take que's from he's meeting with shanks that they still do consider themselves as some sort of rival, shanks at the very least ask if he wants another duel.
As I said in my previous post , you may choose to even avoid using shanks to scale mihawk at all. oden was able to scar kaido , a feat no one else has accomplished .we saw the encounter with post wci luffy and who was unable to damage kaido. enma turns out to be a 21 grade blade and may be raised in rank(assume this means even stronger) if its made a black blade, and here is a guy that has aquired both, holds a world strongest title, and is a rival to a current yonko .
an extreme to high diff fight for king?
ridiculous , mihawk's portrayal to wb commanders in mf should be seen s comparable to the admirals portrayal to commanders in mf. The stronger zoro gets in the story without surpassing mihawk, the stronger mihawk continues to look.
oda placing mihawk shanks whitebeard in the same statement is no fluke. This isnt moriah considering kaido a rival cause kaido wiped his crew, this is both of them recognizing each other on an equivalent plane. vista approaching mihawk and even asking him if he's heard of him is a clear portrayal of the difference that should exist between them.
do people give kizaru flake because he needed onigumo to put down marco?
or aokiji because he used a distraction to take down jozu?
remember how great akainu looked in comparison to the other two then we find out this same guy aokiji was just about equal to him.if your source for mihawk's title being related to skill is the zoro novel , then I do legitimize your source because of course it says more than just that. the conclusion form there is shanks is just as much of a swordsman as vista, zoro and ryuuma since he is also considered for the title in the novel. then again it isnt supervised by oda.
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he isnt, fujitora is confirmed one. The pure swordsman statement is fan made bullshit.
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vista in the databook is stated to be as skilled in swordmanship as mihawk is
but
technically mihawk's eyes are highlighted in instances where he seems to be using observation haki, the first link is where he tries to spot luffy from a distance.
the 3rd link just shows his face and the fourth link as welll. The only one to highlight his eyes are when he points out luffy is in range and when luffy realises his hands might be cut off which is still a mystery at this point. its also amazing you point out mihawk is attacking luffy there when in the panel shown with crocodile coming at him ivankov and luffy were not behind him. The logic is impeccable here .
if he was swinging at their direction, then they should still be in the vicinity. unnatural position for blocking is as solid of an argument as unnatural position for attacking.you clearly see crocodile's hook swing forward. as to mihawk fighting a high tier 12 yrs ago, highly speculative. shanks power at the time is not conclusive, he could have been a top tier or even a lower tier, tho I have serious doubts if wb reckons many still see their duels as some sort of legend. I sincerely doubts shanks grew stronger with one arm while mihawk remained the same guy he was when he fought a high tier. I would also take que's from he's meeting with shanks that they still do consider themselves as some sort of rival, shanks at the very least ask if he wants another duel.
As I said in my previous post , you may choose to even avoid using shanks to scale mihawk at all. oden was able to scar kaido , a feat no one else has accomplished .we saw the encounter with post wci luffy and who was unable to damage kaido. enma turns out to be a 21 grade blade and may be raised in rank(assume this means even stronger) if its made a black blade, and here is a guy that has aquired both, holds a world strongest title, and is a rival to a current yonko .
an extreme to high diff fight for king?
ridiculous , mihawk's portrayal to wb commanders in mf should be seen s comparable to the admirals portrayal to commanders in mf. The stronger zoro gets in the story without surpassing mihawk, the stronger mihawk continues to look.
oda placing mihawk shanks whitebeard in the same statement is no fluke. This isnt moriah considering kaido a rival cause kaido wiped his crew, this is both of them recognizing each other on an equivalent plane. vista approaching mihawk and even asking him if he's heard of him is a clear portrayal of the difference that should exist between them.
do people give kizaru flake because he needed onigumo to put down marco?
or aokiji because he used a distraction to take down jozu?
remember how great akainu looked in comparison to the other two then we find out this same guy aokiji was just about equal to him.if your source for mihawk's title being related to skill is the zoro novel , then I do legitimize your source because of course it says more than just that. the conclusion form there is shanks is just as much of a swordsman as vista, zoro and ryuuma since he is also considered for the title in the novel. then again it isnt supervised by oda.
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he isnt, fujitora is confirmed one. The pure swordsman statement is fan made bullshit.
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also important to point out wb commanders arent based on strength like yc1 to 3
its based on function
marco is head of the medical unit
vista is actually the oldest commander and is head of wb swordsmen.
There seems to be some bit of bad blood between him and yasopp actually
he isnt really a yc5 power wise.
its based on function
marco is head of the medical unit
vista is actually the oldest commander and is head of wb swordsmen.
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There seems to be some bit of bad blood between him and yasopp actually
he isnt really a yc5 power wise.
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Marco>Vista
Marco is the leader... marco is the one shanks wanted, marco the one was singled out, marco the one commanded Vosta to take care of Mihawk
Jozu> vista
Jozu damaged an admiral, Jozu blocked mohawk slash
Jozu is the one shown next to Marco, both took on Two admirals as WB fought Akainu.
Ace>Vista
I wont even say much, Ace has better feat than Vista
There is a reason why Oda threw Vista randomly to battle Mihawk while the other 3 fought admirals
Marco is the leader... marco is the one shanks wanted, marco the one was singled out, marco the one commanded Vosta to take care of Mihawk
Jozu> vista
Jozu damaged an admiral, Jozu blocked mohawk slash
Jozu is the one shown next to Marco, both took on Two admirals as WB fought Akainu.
Ace>Vista
I wont even say much, Ace has better feat than Vista
There is a reason why Oda threw Vista randomly to battle Mihawk while the other 3 fought admirals
jozu actually lost an arm
marco got defeated
vista left the war without a scratch
vista and marco both came at akainu
jozu blocked mihawk slash and vista looked even more impressive than jozu did when he encoutered mihawk
jozu was also used as a stool by doffy and did nothing
ace has more feats than jozu because he had more panel time
he battled mihawk because he is the swordsman out of all of them. and then he went on to akainu
Thats about it.
not conclusive at all
If I were to scale vista given the hints of a rivalry with yasopp, he is about a yc3 . BB crew should be pretty similar, the numbers dont indicate strength necessarily.
marco got defeated
vista left the war without a scratch
vista and marco both came at akainu
jozu blocked mihawk slash and vista looked even more impressive than jozu did when he encoutered mihawk
jozu was also used as a stool by doffy and did nothing
ace has more feats than jozu because he had more panel time
he battled mihawk because he is the swordsman out of all of them. and then he went on to akainu
Thats about it.
not conclusive at all
If I were to scale vista given the hints of a rivalry with yasopp, he is about a yc3 . BB crew should be pretty similar, the numbers dont indicate strength necessarily.
Every title must have circumstantial aspects. We cant bet on Kaido in a 1on1 when he is sick. However, under normal circumstances, the title should be absolute.
Regarding Mihawk's title, I think there is a room for debate about who is swordsman in the eyes of Oda. I agree with you that Whitebeard having a Meito, and Roger fighting with swords certainly narrows down the definition of a swordsman. But if someone is a swordsman, he has to be weaker than Mihawk.
Having said that, some of you guys are acting like the titles are introduced as a joke by Oda. That would be a terrible writing.
Come on now, Whitebeard mentions the legends in the sentence right before Shanks-Mihawk duel and they are even in the same speech bubbles.
Does Oda need to spoonfeed us everything?
He explained why remembered Buggy.
"I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew"
Anyway, if you think Whitebeard gave Buggy the same respect, then I dont want to argue against this point.
Morgan and Whitebeard's statements are not same.
Mihawk was bored and was looking for a challenge. If Shanks got stronger, why didnt Mihawk go after him again to prove himself? Its funny that while you think Shanks got stronger, Mihawk actually thinks he got weaker and call him a "has-been". I dont think Mihawk was really serious here, but if you want to stick to manga panels without reading between lines, this is what you get.
You already know what I would say, so lets address this point.
There is a difference between Blackbeard and Shanks's case. Blackbeard invaded his known territory and fought against his old crew. According to Jinbei, "As a veteran of WB's crew, Blackbeard knew their territory like the back of his hand"
Moreover, BB had to beat Marco, not another yonko, which actually goes against your "since Law underlined they all competed for territory".
Now, lets put it into context. Blackbeard had the strength to become a yonko two years back. The grudge war happened one year back. So it took him about a year to become a yonko. It means just with strength alone, you cant become a yonko from day 1.
If Blackbeard needs about a year to win his known territory by fighting against a YC1, it makes sense why Shanks required 6 years.
Regarding Mihawk's title, I think there is a room for debate about who is swordsman in the eyes of Oda. I agree with you that Whitebeard having a Meito, and Roger fighting with swords certainly narrows down the definition of a swordsman. But if someone is a swordsman, he has to be weaker than Mihawk.
Having said that, some of you guys are acting like the titles are introduced as a joke by Oda. That would be a terrible writing.
Come on now, Whitebeard mentions the legends in the sentence right before Shanks-Mihawk duel and they are even in the same speech bubbles.
He explained why remembered Buggy.
"I fought against Roger's ship so many times. We locked arms so often, I began to remember some faces among his crew"
Anyway, if you think Whitebeard gave Buggy the same respect, then I dont want to argue against this point.
Morgan and Whitebeard's statements are not same.
Mihawk was bored and was looking for a challenge. If Shanks got stronger, why didnt Mihawk go after him again to prove himself? Its funny that while you think Shanks got stronger, Mihawk actually thinks he got weaker and call him a "has-been". I dont think Mihawk was really serious here, but if you want to stick to manga panels without reading between lines, this is what you get.
You already know what I would say, so lets address this point.
There is a difference between Blackbeard and Shanks's case. Blackbeard invaded his known territory and fought against his old crew. According to Jinbei, "As a veteran of WB's crew, Blackbeard knew their territory like the back of his hand"
Moreover, BB had to beat Marco, not another yonko, which actually goes against your "since Law underlined they all competed for territory".
Now, lets put it into context. Blackbeard had the strength to become a yonko two years back. The grudge war happened one year back. So it took him about a year to become a yonko. It means just with strength alone, you cant become a yonko from day 1.
If Blackbeard needs about a year to win his known territory by fighting against a YC1, it makes sense why Shanks required 6 years.
That´s your assumption, which is fair, but it´s once again nothing absolute because the lines are rather blurry. If Roger has nothing else, is he a swordsman only? If someone has a DF but uses it with a sword, is he a swordsman and nothing more?
People try to complicate things when it suits them and simplify things when it suits them.
Then you get definitions like "someone uses a sword = swordsman", like Stephen Paul, official translator, claimed. Well, if so, pretty much every schmuck to every top tier fits that bill.
Or i have read "if someone is the strongest when they are using a sword", well, once again, if you are not a complete idiot in using one, you are always the strongest when using it, if nothing else, it provides you an additional layer of protection against almost everything.
That´s what bothers me, people ignore WB and BM because it suits them, but Shanks not.
Can´t have it both ways.
Joke? No, but not as absolute fact as people claim, once again, WB has proven that. If something has circumstances to it, it´s already, by definition, not absolute.
Apparently yes, because it´s pretty straightforward, since context does not exist i guess, so let me play the translator.
WB is someone reminiscing of the past, the first thing he says is this, alluding to Roger.
Once again talking about the past, something he remembers clear as day, yet many have forgotten.
Once again alluding to the past and his legendary battles with Roger.
And once again, alluding to the legend of Roger era, connecting what he said before with Roger, Garp, SEngoku era not many remembering, while he clearly does, because it passed very quickly for him.
In contrast, something that was a monumental thing in the new era, namely Shanks vs Mihawk, is still very much new to him.
It´s something really easy to understand and is supposed to characterize Whitebeard as the guy he is, yet power level fanatics (not necessarily including you) have misconstrued this many times.
Just pointing out the dude remembers things.
You can argue that WB talking about Mihawk vs Shanks to contrast the passage of time in regard to the Roger era, meaning he chooses to point that out, means something, but you can also easily argue that it´s simply a thing of context since he is talking to Shanks, hence has to use something Shanks was involved in.
I am not arguing against either choice since it´s exactly that, a choice.
You think it´s not the same, once again different issue.
Not that it has anything to do with that right now, we are talking about Shanks getting accepted as a Yonkou, meaning the public, which Morgan is a significant part of, even controls to a certain extent.
Fodder is a challenge?
No, what you get if you are reading between the lines is "Fighting someone hurt would be dishonorable".
You can make the same argument why Mihawk has never gone after Whitebeard, or Kaidou, or any other top tier if he was so bored, so no.
Ehm, you are making my point for me.
My point was, Shanks fighting Mihawk was not enough for people to consider him a Yonkou 12 years ago, yet BB beating Marco was.
Sure, you can make the point that BB knew the territories, but the deciding factor was him beating Marco, which Zou once again underlines.
"BB had the strength to become Yonkou two years back", ehm these two panels 1 and 2 would disagree with you.
Meaning fighting Mihawk was not enough, only after Shanks started competing he was counted as such.
If they both were full out top tiers, it would pretty much surpass beating Marco or Luffy beating Cracker and Katakuri.
*marco and the remnant of wb pirates which suggest even the gorosei and the entire world consider them pretty close to an emperor crew even without their captain. certainly this will tossel the feathers of those in the katakuri > marco fandom.
notice how they mention how large the scale of the war was?
it wasnt just an individual battle with marco and bb. both sides brought lot of help so you are basically seeing a weakened emperor crew their commanders, allies up against an upcoming emperor with his allies and commanders which again is consistent with emperors holding vast amount of power along with influence over a large base.
No one suggest shanks and mihawk were at their peak when they fought but it will be disingenous to assume shanks grew stronger than mihawk in that timeframe or shanks reached quote on quote yonko level and left mihwk in the dust with a lost arm.
people dont ignore wb using a bisento and then point to shanks for no reason. mihawk is called the strongest swordighter in one piece more accurate translation and people dont call shanks a swordsman because he just carries a sword . there is specific hints given in the story to that end .
1. he has no df
2. rival to the best swordfighter in one piece
again if he was the rival to the best swordfighter in op, it will be silly to assume that he himself is not a swordfighter. again he doesnt just look for strong people to fight , if that was the case wb and other yonkos are eligible, he is looking for swordsmasters that could potentially surpass him. he had one in shanks before he lost an arm hinting shanks is indeed a swordmaster.
3. if shanks isnt a swordmaster how do you suppose he fights?
stopped akainu with his sword
stopped wb with the same
seen with a sword on roger's ship
again dont try to equate the two at all
we have seen big mom take someone's souls, command homies, use immense physical strength to knock people out
we have seen wb use his quakes to destroy mf with or without his bisento
shanks doesnt have an overpowered body so he isnt a brute like big mom
doesnt have a df so he isnt as hax as the like of wb
so what does he have?
haki?
turns out haki isnt excluded from swordmanship again . oda questioning how exactly he fights is open ended but still does not mean its not with his sword . fujitora is still a swordsman with a df that allows him to fight differently from other swordsmen. vista is called flower blade for another reason. swordsmen dont just swing their slashes and make big cuts
when highlighting his power in mf again is attributed to being able to use his sword to stop akainu.
notice how they mention how large the scale of the war was?
it wasnt just an individual battle with marco and bb. both sides brought lot of help so you are basically seeing a weakened emperor crew their commanders, allies up against an upcoming emperor with his allies and commanders which again is consistent with emperors holding vast amount of power along with influence over a large base.
No one suggest shanks and mihawk were at their peak when they fought but it will be disingenous to assume shanks grew stronger than mihawk in that timeframe or shanks reached quote on quote yonko level and left mihwk in the dust with a lost arm.
people dont ignore wb using a bisento and then point to shanks for no reason. mihawk is called the strongest swordighter in one piece more accurate translation and people dont call shanks a swordsman because he just carries a sword . there is specific hints given in the story to that end .
1. he has no df
2. rival to the best swordfighter in one piece
again if he was the rival to the best swordfighter in op, it will be silly to assume that he himself is not a swordfighter. again he doesnt just look for strong people to fight , if that was the case wb and other yonkos are eligible, he is looking for swordsmasters that could potentially surpass him. he had one in shanks before he lost an arm hinting shanks is indeed a swordmaster.
3. if shanks isnt a swordmaster how do you suppose he fights?
stopped akainu with his sword
stopped wb with the same
seen with a sword on roger's ship
again dont try to equate the two at all
we have seen big mom take someone's souls, command homies, use immense physical strength to knock people out
we have seen wb use his quakes to destroy mf with or without his bisento
shanks doesnt have an overpowered body so he isnt a brute like big mom
doesnt have a df so he isnt as hax as the like of wb
so what does he have?
haki?
turns out haki isnt excluded from swordmanship again . oda questioning how exactly he fights is open ended but still does not mean its not with his sword . fujitora is still a swordsman with a df that allows him to fight differently from other swordsmen. vista is called flower blade for another reason. swordsmen dont just swing their slashes and make big cuts
when highlighting his power in mf again is attributed to being able to use his sword to stop akainu.
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Once again, another point that has been misconstrued.
Gorosei said "only Yonkou can stop BB now, and maybe the WB remnants and Marco", for Yonkou certainty, for Marco a maybe, Marco and the WB remnants, with entire WB crew with 1600 pirates, and 43 allied ships against 10 pirates, it´s a maybe, so no, never considered them to be close.
Of course it is large scale, if so many dudes fight. Which has nothing to do with everyone singling out Marco and Blackbeard though.
If crews were so important, everyone would be talking about "once BB Pirates beat WB remnants and so forth", it´s not what is happening though, and quite frankly, if BB was a top tier back then, he himself can take care of all WB Pirates.
Already referred to this, Shanks moved on to become Yonkou and compete with top tiers, Mihawk chilled in his castle as a Shichi, two completely different paths. So yeah, Oda can claim they can grow equally, for now the rational thing is though, Shanks grew more, you know with extreme fights and all.
That´s your headcanon, it is said Mihawk looks for strong people period. That´s also why he wanted to test the gap between him and Whitebeard in Marineford, meaning if he only considering swordsmen, why attack Whitebeard? Rejected.
The entire swordsmen thing simply does not work out because the definition of swordsmen and what is included and what is not included is highly shaky at best.
Heck, you literally prove my point, Stephen Paul´s opinion/statement. By that definition, WB is a swordsman, BM is so as well and the list goes on.
Shanks sword can have a DF, he can be a brawler that fights with a sword occasionally (Kizaru´s swordsmanship was enough to fight equally with Rayleigh, yet normally he does not use it) and the list goes on. Anybody decent that is not the protagonist is walking around with a weapon.
The fact that you can´t own up to the definition you yourself quoted in your sig pretty much tells me enough my man.
Gorosei said "only Yonkou can stop BB now, and maybe the WB remnants and Marco", for Yonkou certainty, for Marco a maybe, Marco and the WB remnants, with entire WB crew with 1600 pirates, and 43 allied ships against 10 pirates, it´s a maybe, so no, never considered them to be close.
Of course it is large scale, if so many dudes fight. Which has nothing to do with everyone singling out Marco and Blackbeard though.
If crews were so important, everyone would be talking about "once BB Pirates beat WB remnants and so forth", it´s not what is happening though, and quite frankly, if BB was a top tier back then, he himself can take care of all WB Pirates.
Already referred to this, Shanks moved on to become Yonkou and compete with top tiers, Mihawk chilled in his castle as a Shichi, two completely different paths. So yeah, Oda can claim they can grow equally, for now the rational thing is though, Shanks grew more, you know with extreme fights and all.
That´s your headcanon, it is said Mihawk looks for strong people period. That´s also why he wanted to test the gap between him and Whitebeard in Marineford, meaning if he only considering swordsmen, why attack Whitebeard? Rejected.
The entire swordsmen thing simply does not work out because the definition of swordsmen and what is included and what is not included is highly shaky at best.
Heck, you literally prove my point, Stephen Paul´s opinion/statement. By that definition, WB is a swordsman, BM is so as well and the list goes on.
Shanks sword can have a DF, he can be a brawler that fights with a sword occasionally (Kizaru´s swordsmanship was enough to fight equally with Rayleigh, yet normally he does not use it) and the list goes on. Anybody decent that is not the protagonist is walking around with a weapon.
The fact that you can´t own up to the definition you yourself quoted in your sig pretty much tells me enough my man.
maybe means they are capable so it is close
the hell are you talking about if marco and others could stop him definitively,it would imply they are on par.
as to shanks competing with other yonko that has to be proven .
big mom had not met kaido in decades
wb talked like he had not seen shanks in a while
their meeting was blown out of proportion by the wg
they were not competing with each other as you say.
bb has been a yonko for a year, seems like he has been sitting on an island that long. was he competing with the others then?
big mom has sitting been in wci for how long?
what do you mean by compete?
its not just my headcanon , vivrecard literally states he looks foward to the day a swordmaster will emerge that surpasses his rival red hair an that makes sense narratively because there isnt a short list of strong people.
strong swordmaster tho yes .
read closely kind sir.
https://dimwhp0w2rs83.cloudfront.net/2018/10/Mihawk-vivre-card-databook.jpg
shanks sword has a df is a new one lmao , but even if it does, again its still swordmanship. so many possibilities
shanks a brawler with one arm, you think kizaru is a brawler?
garp is a brawler
luffy is a brawler
show me a panel of shanks brawling while holding his sword.I bet his kicks are scary strong. lmao
his coc prob does something too like stop time.
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another key point you missed on bb becoming a yonko, the gorosei mentions he knows wb territory/turf well so seizing them was not going to be the issue, the real issue was defeating those who would stop him from doing that who happened to be marco and the others. when he did , he was recognized as an emperor.
meaning defeating marco was necessary to be a yonko because they were the ones protecting wb footholds/potentially stopping him from gaining control of wb old territories. you are not an emperor cause you are a top tier and have large portion of allies, you literally control/rule a certain part of the world as well. without doing that, you are no emperor.
the hell are you talking about if marco and others could stop him definitively,it would imply they are on par.
as to shanks competing with other yonko that has to be proven .
big mom had not met kaido in decades
wb talked like he had not seen shanks in a while
their meeting was blown out of proportion by the wg
they were not competing with each other as you say.
bb has been a yonko for a year, seems like he has been sitting on an island that long. was he competing with the others then?
big mom has sitting been in wci for how long?
what do you mean by compete?
its not just my headcanon , vivrecard literally states he looks foward to the day a swordmaster will emerge that surpasses his rival red hair an that makes sense narratively because there isnt a short list of strong people.
strong swordmaster tho yes .
read closely kind sir.
https://dimwhp0w2rs83.cloudfront.net/2018/10/Mihawk-vivre-card-databook.jpg
shanks sword has a df is a new one lmao , but even if it does, again its still swordmanship. so many possibilities
shanks a brawler with one arm, you think kizaru is a brawler?
garp is a brawler
luffy is a brawler
show me a panel of shanks brawling while holding his sword.I bet his kicks are scary strong. lmao
his coc prob does something too like stop time.
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another key point you missed on bb becoming a yonko, the gorosei mentions he knows wb territory/turf well so seizing them was not going to be the issue, the real issue was defeating those who would stop him from doing that who happened to be marco and the others. when he did , he was recognized as an emperor.
meaning defeating marco was necessary to be a yonko because they were the ones protecting wb footholds/potentially stopping him from gaining control of wb old territories. you are not an emperor cause you are a top tier and have large portion of allies, you literally control/rule a certain part of the world as well. without doing that, you are no emperor.
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