Character Discussion Oda teases Shanks in 2021

Kromage911

Kromage911

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Finalbeta said:
That's not occurring since Mihawk declared Shanks unworthy of a match due the loss of his limb so there's no reason for now to believe the two of them would clash.
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That's the whole problem, isn't it? Mihawk hasn't fought Shanks since like more than 10 years and doesn't even want to know if he has become stronger than before.

Yes, he lost an arm but didn't Zoro lose his eye in the 2-year training too? That has never been shown to be a handicap for him so why Shanks? Zoro has only gotten several times stronger. Never had any problem with his right-hand side vision, did he?

We know for a fact that Shanks wasn't a yonko back we used to duel with Mihawk and only became one 6 years ago. How does Mihawk know that Shanks hasn't gotten any stronger from back then even after losing his hand?

Sure, Mihawk can definitely be stronger than Shanks but he has no reason to be so sure about it. The arm thing is such a lame reason. Was one-armed Shanks less worthy for the duel than Pre-Timeskip Zoro? Bullshit. And to tell you for a fact, I do believe Mihawk does have a slight edge over Shanks (though, I've reserved my real judgement for when we see them both in action) but the reason he gives to not duel is petty.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
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Kromage911 said:
That's the whole problem, isn't it? Mihawk hasn't fought Shanks since like more than 10 years and doesn't even want to know if he has become stronger than before.

Yes, he lost an arm but didn't Zoro lose his eye in the 2-year training too? That has never been shown to be a handicap for him so why Shanks? Zoro has only gotten several times stronger. Never had any problem with his right-hand side vision, did he?

We know for a fact that Shanks wasn't a yonko back we used to duel with Mihawk and only became one 6 years ago. How does Mihawk know that Shanks hasn't gotten any stronger from back then even after losing his hand?

Sure, Mihawk can definitely be stronger than Shanks but he has no reason to be so sure about it. The arm thing is such a lame reason. Was one-armed Shanks less worthy for the duel than Pre-Timeskip Zoro? Bullshit. And to tell you for a fact, I do believe Mihawk does have a slight edge over Shanks (though, I've reserved my real judgement for when we see them both in action) but the reason he gives to not duel is petty.
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I didn't even mention Zoro lol. Because it's different story.

It was referred to Mihawk and Shanks and Mihawk and Shanks alone overall. If he refused to fight Shanks on Marineford (by outright declaring he was out because of him) and when they met at the time Mihawk would entrust Shanks with Luffy's bounty, then I suppose there's no reason for now to believe that Mihawk would want to clash unless he was forced to.
 
Erkan12

Erkan12

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Luffy bin Dragon said:
Shanks is a swordsman he needs his arm. neko and queen have different abilities (sulong and Technology).
Not to mention they both got prosthetics.
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Shanks isn't only a swordsman, that's your fanfic until it's proven otherwise.

E.Oda didn't reveal how Shanks fight yet, stop with the fanfic.

If Shanks was weaker, he wouldn't lose his arm to lord of the coast, and he couldn't become Yonko after getting weakened.

Just think, your arguments makes no sense.
 
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Fallen Prince

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I want to see what shanks was like before he was yonko ? Even Luffy had decent head start when he started his piracy but shanks was literally apprentice he even asked buggy to join him and got scarred by young BB .

Ace novel mentions he grew up around New World time period . My Guess is around the time Crocodile , Mihawk , Doflamingo were also making big around the new world so its certainly possible Mihawk was prime reason Shanks trained harder and was able to toe one on one against him .
 
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Fallen Prince

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Given it makes sense him going after blackbeard has no logic , he will rescue Mihawk from SSG .

Mihawk joining Shanks crew is something i have discussed before because Zoro still needs to challenge Mihawk to finally surpass him as best swordsmen .
 
Kromage911

Kromage911

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Finalbeta said:
I didn't even mention Zoro lol. Because it's different story.

It was referred to Mihawk and Shanks and Mihawk and Shanks alone overall. If he refused to fight Shanks on Marineford (by outright declaring he was out because of him) and when they met at the time Mihawk would entrust Shanks with Luffy's bounty, then I suppose there's no reason for now to believe that Mihawk would want to clash unless he was forced to.
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I'm sorry if you thought I was counter-arguing you or anything. I was just trying to prove a point with the help of your comment, lol.
 
Erkan12

Erkan12

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Fallen Prince said:
I want to see what shanks was like before he was yonko ? Even Luffy had decent head start when he started his piracy but shanks was literally apprentice he even asked buggy to join him and got scarred by young BB .

Ace novel mentions he grew up around New World time period . My Guess is around the time Crocodile , Mihawk were also making big around the new world so its certainly possible Mihawk was prime reason Shanks trained harder and was able to toe one on one against him .
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Pre-Yonko Shanks was garbage who lost his arm to lord of the coast,

Post-mihawk fight Shanks's haki wasn't even strong enough to protect himself from bites;




Pre-Yonko Shanks's Haki (when he fought mihawk) = Dressrosa Luffy's Haki.

Monkey D. Luffy said:
Whitebeard has a naginata.
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Cry me a river, Oda said sword;


-Is that a Great sword?
Oda: Whitebeard's Naginata is called "Murakumogiri (Cloud Cutter)", it's a Supreme Grade Blade/Sword

Find another ridiculous logic to hype your idol mihawk, because it was whitebeard > mihawk , mihawk won't be magically stronger than whitebeard when whitebeard was already using a sword, same with Kaido;

 
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Fallen Prince

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Paperchampion23 said:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/shanks-is-not-who-we-think-he-is.8949/

If anyone wants have a read. May or may not be relevant next year (he hasn't even addressed the last jump festa message so maybe 2022 lol)
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I dont think he is bad person , He is sort of like Mediator to World Govt . Considering now Gorosei have decided with cleansing the role of shanks is finished . He will be targeted just like everyone with growing confidence of SSG and vegapunk's new technology .

However i think Shanks vs luffy is not what we think it will be test for Luffy's worth if he is ready to take on pirate king's role . I really do think Luffy vs Shanks was pre destined since romance dawn .
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Erkan12 said:
Pre-Yonko Shanks was garbage who lost his arm to lord of the coast,

Post-mihawk fight Shanks's haki wasn't even strong enough to protect himself from bites;




Pre-Yonko Shanks's Haki (when he fought mihawk) = Dressrosa Luffy's Haki.



Cry me a river, Oda said sword;


-Is that a Great sword?
Oda: Whitebeard's Naginata is called "Murakumogiri (Cloud Cutter)", it's a Supreme Grade Blade/Sword

Find another ridiculous logic to hype your idol mihawk, because it was whitebeard > mihawk , mihawk won't be magically stronger than whitebeard when whitebeard was already using a sword, same with Kaido;

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12 years ago makes sense he was not yonko back then but he was gaining traction , Even whitebeard heard his hand being chopped off so he was not trash level .
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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Fallen Prince said:
I dont think he is bad person , He is sort of like Mediator to World Govt . Considering now Gorosei have decided with cleansing the role of shanks is finished . He will be targeted just like everyone with growing confidence of SSG and vegapunk's new technology .

However i think Shanks vs luffy is not what we think it will be test for Luffy's worth if he is ready to take on pirate king's role . I really do think Luffy vs Shanks was pre destined since romance dawn .
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My post there isn't that he's "bad" or a "villain" actually, just that he's an extremely motivated, morally grey antagonist who gave Luffy the wrong picture of a "perfect" pirate. Theres a ton of history we dont know about Shanks all thats there is really just pointing it out and trying to at least get people to think about the possibility of him being a compelling antagonist, and not just another Dumbledor or Jiraiya.

I do believe there is a sense of manipulation going on, but not in a way that Luffy will care all that much. He still wants to fight and defeat Shanks. It never was about not being violent towards one another, just that there is more going on here than we think
 
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Fallen Prince

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Paperchampion23 said:
My post there isn't that he's "bad" or a "villain" actually, just that he's an extremely motivated antagonist who gave Luffy the wrong picture of a "perfect" pirate. Theres a ton of history we dont know about Shanks all thats there is really just pointing it out and trying to at least get people to think about the possibility of him being a compelling antagonist, and not just another Dumbledor or Jiraiya
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I might give it a read again .
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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#119
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Akuma_Law said:
It's kinda sad to see people calling Shanks the snitch before even knowing the full story
The disrespect for such character like him is unacceptable! :beckmoji:
Also Oda would never make Luffy's mentor a bad guy that's really stupid :endthis:
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At the end of the day, this is still the pirate who casually talked to the Gorosei. We can make excuses all we want, but Oda has presented it in a very clear way that was supposed to leave us shocked. The best part is, Oda doesnt have Shanks mention Blackbeard, he says "a certain pirate", leading people to start sowing doubts as to who he's actually talking about.

Again though, not saying he's a "snitch" or "bad" exactly. I personally don't think hes with the WG, but like everyone else, is fueled by a goal we dont know yet. I dont think that goal is One Piece however, he doesn't seem to care about that at all.
 
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Fallen Prince

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Paperchampion23 said:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/shanks-is-not-who-we-think-he-is.8949/

If anyone wants have a read. May or may not be relevant next year (he hasn't even addressed the last jump festa message so maybe 2022 lol)
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Okay i read it , your reference to Yakuza was damn bang on right . Just look at chapter one you can easily tell his crew obeys his command without orders .

Shanks is kind of guy who takes respect and gives it equally . He reminds me of Vito corleone , the Guy was exceedingly cunning for a Godfather when he was young .

I would say he is Godfather like character , the new age he mentions is probably yakuza code about passing his will . Shanks will challenge luffy at some point of time to check if he is worthy to take the burden because luffy will need to fight world govt and Marines he will need to shoulder the burden not even shanks could imagine .

Overall i dont think he is evil but i can tell he wants Luffy to be real heir to his legacy hence the bet on new age makes sense .
 
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