Character Discussion Oda teases Shanks in 2021

[Akuma_Law]

At the end of the day, this is still the pirate who casually talked to the Gorosei. We can make excuses all we want, but Oda has presented it in a very clear way that was supposed to leave us shocked. The best part is, Oda doesnt have Shanks mention Blackbeard, he says "a certain pirate", leading people to start sowing doubts as to who he's actually talking about.

Again though, not saying he's a "snitch" or "bad" exactly. I personally don't think hes with the WG, but like everyone else, is fueled by a goal we dont know yet. I dont think that goal is One Piece however, he doesn't seem to care about that at all.

I mean he could have some relations with Gorosei and still be the pirate that the government fear and consider a threat
Also pirates having some kind of a understatement with the government isn't a new concept in one piece, like the Shichibukai for example
It's not the same of course but you get what I mean

 

[Fallen Prince]

You said Shanks is Godfather like figure , you have to remember leader of the world talk to each other or negotiate to avoid future wars .

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I mean he could have some relations with Gorosei and still be the pirate that the government fear and consider a threat
Also pirates having some kind of a understatement with the government isn't a new concept in one piece, like the Shichibukai for example
It's not the same of course but you get what I mean

Given Big mom , kaido have no capacity to be negotiated . That leave only shanks whom they can negotiate with to avoid wars , blood on both sides .

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Oda also teased last year that we’d see Vivi, Hancock, and Sabo in 2020...I’m not gonna hold my breath on this one, even if Act 3 is realistically coming to an end in the near future.

Still, if Shanks does show up, count me among those who think it’ll be in the context of him facing off against Blackbeard or otherwise preventing him from obtaining whatever it was he was going after between Acts 2 and 3. How effective he’ll be in stopping Teach remains to be seen

 

[Paperchampion23]

Finally people who actually got what I was saying in that post lol.

We'll definitely see how it all ties into his motivations/character, but im glad people see that there are direct references to Yakuza through Shanks. Theres just a ton we don't actually know about the character. Whether or not that's good or bad for Luffy in the end is sort of irrelevant at this point.

The biggest point is that Shanks is more enigmatic than what we give him credit for. I think there is a big reason Oda has left Shanks in the dark all this time. He fundamentally ties into the endgame, whatever that is.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Finally people who actually got what I was saying in that post lol.

We'll definitely see how it all ties into his motivations/character, but im glad people see that there are direct references to Yakuza through Shanks. Theres just a ton we don't actually know about the character. Whether or not that's good or bad for Luffy in the end is sort of irrelevant at this point.

The biggest point is that Shanks is more enigmatic than what we give him credit for. I think there is a big reason Oda has left Shanks in the dark all this time. He fundamentally ties into the endgame, whatever that is.

I dont remember what Kidd actually did but i guess he burned villages and towns on his way to new world . He probably attacked shanks territory and harrassed the civilians so he got the gift of losing his own hand .

I agree he has characteristic of Triads , Yakuza who usually keep to themselves and protect their community when someone threatens them .

 

[Paperchampion23]

Oda also teased last year that we’d see Vivi, Hancock, and Sabo in 2020...I’m not gonna hold my breath on this one, even if Act 3 is realistically coming to an end in the near future.

Still, if Shanks does show up, count me among those who think it’ll be in the context of him facing off against Blackbeard or otherwise preventing him from obtaining whatever it was he was going after between Acts 2 and 3. How effective he’ll be in stopping Teach remains to be seen

The way I see it, the Vivi/Hancock/Sabo thing was certainly a mid Act 3/4 event.

The Shanks thing either sounds like a mid Act 4/5 event (assuming Act 4 even ends this year; i assume it'll start soon in 2021), or just post Wano. And thats even assuming he'll be on pace.

I don't expect Wano to finish till mid 2022 at this point

 

[Fallen Prince]

Given i see things setup Shanks will not make his apperance in wano . However GreenBull / Kizaru will be on neutral standy and let pirates fight among themselves so i dont expect Marine helping Luffy anytime .

 

[SinOfGreed]

Shanks hype 2021

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Whitebeard has a named sword as well,

So mihawk > whitebeard

WB has a DF also shanks has always used his sword first.

 

[Erkan12]

People take the Vista fiasco too serious. Mihawk simply didn't care destroying Vista by using stronger attacks, he didn't even care finishing Croco who lost to preskip gearless Luffy. Because Oda focused on WB and his commanders for the sake of the story.

Then again we can make a case against Big Mom too, who is mistreated by the strawhats constantly. Didn't she specifically run from Marco, saying she lacks the weapons to face him? While Mihawk didn't run away but suggested the fight another time, which is out of respect, since they clashed out of different motives in the war.

Similarly, if not for plot, Shanks obviously would have ripped that sea monster to shreds, but for the sake of story telling, Shanks made that sacrifice. Making him weaker in the process. If Shanks didn't become weaker, there would be no sacrifice for the new gen.

And pls Erkan, don't tell us bullshit like Shanks lost his arm because his Haki wasn't strong enough. Even before that incident, Shanks was known for his fearsome battles with Mihawk that shook the grandline. Whitebeard himself was surprised Shanks lost his arm and asked what kind of enemy he lost it to.

Shanks lost his arm for the story, not because he couldn't defend himself.

E.Oda didn't need to use mihawk in marineford, he did it only to show the powers of the Shichibukai, Yonko and Admirals.

He did it so he showed us mihawk was no exception between Shichibukai, Crocodile owned him.

If you are talking about the plot, mihawk's existence serves no purpose in marineford other than showing his power limits.

There is 6 years gap between Shanks being a Yonko after losing his arm. If you think that didn't motivate Shanks to get stronger and even be Yonko, you are reading the wrong story.

Luffy got motivated more after losing Ace, Shanks would be motivated more after losing his arm, and realizing how weak he is.

WB has a DF also shanks has always used his sword first.

We don't know how Shanks fights yet, so you better not mix Shanks into this.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

We don't know how Shanks fights yet, so you better not mix Shanks into this.

Erkan where do you place Mihawk

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Cry me a river, Oda said sword;


-Is that a Great sword?
Oda: Whitebeard's Naginata is called "Murakumogiri (Cloud Cutter)", it's a Supreme Grade Blade/Sword

Find another ridiculous logic to hype your idol mihawk, because it was whitebeard > mihawk , mihawk won't be magically stronger than whitebeard when whitebeard was already using a sword, same with Kaido;

So even non-sword blade weapons get classed as Wazamonos. It still doesn't make Whitebeard a swordsman.

Kaido lopping off a fodder's head with his crew mate's sword doesn't make him a swordsman.

 

[Erkan12]

You can approach this question this way:

Let's assign arbitrary values of strength to both Mihawk and Shanks, also assume that Shanks has both arms to begin with.
Mihawk = 50
Shanks = 50
They are both equal. I think this is the implication that Databook/VC/Magazine is trying to give when it says:

"世界一の剣豪と肩を並べたほどの実力を持つ。"
"He was once as powerful as the best swordsman in the world."

Spoiler: Source

But then, Shanks loses his arm.
So now,

Mihawk = 50
Shanks = 45 (-5 due to arm loss)

Shanks is now weaker than Mihawk because losing his arm made him weaker.
"片腕になろうと勢力衰えず！"
"I can be a one-armed man and still be a force to be reckoned with! "
The implication here is that he did in fact get weaker, however, he is still strong.

Notice how I only did (-5) and not (-3,000,000,000,000). Shanks didn't turn into fodder.

Spoiler: Source

However, give both of them x amount of years to progress (+40 for both). (Note: This is also assuming that you think they have gotten stronger since the time when they dueled).

Mihawk = 90
Shanks = 85

Now they have both gotten stronger, but it remains that Mihawk is still ahead of Shanks. Hence why he's the World's strongest swordsman. As a result of Mihawk's title, they are still in a sense rivals, because Shanks is a swordsman too.

Spoiler: Source

Notice here how Roger and Buggy are "ex-captain" and "ex-comrade". Mihawk isn't "ex-rival", he is simply just "rival".

While Shanks is still weaker than Mihawk, he himself is strong. So with the help of a crew (just like Kaido, BM, BB and WB), he is able to become an emperor.

There's a pretty good reason why people think Mihawk can fight top tiers without actually having any panels of him fighting top tiers. It's the same reason why people think Ryokugyu can fight top tiers without having any panels of him fighting top tiers.
Mihawk has a title that puts him above certain top tiers so the most reasonable assumption to make is that he can indeed fight these top tiers despite never having done so.

I think most normal readers didn't think much of these interactions. Especially since equal clashes don't imply much and aren't really indicative of how an extended fight would go on.

Overall, I just want Oda to give us more details on this Shanks-Mihawk stuff. Just need definitive answers.

Nice fanfics,

But you can't prove mihawk got stronger,
I can prove Shanks got stronger because he has become Yonko.

There is no proof on mihawk's upgrade.
There is no proof that Shanks is only a swordsman and nothing more.
You can't judge and limit Shanks's powers based on mihawk, because we don't know how Shanks fights yet. E.Oda himself said he doesn't know how Shanks fight.

I don't talk about clashes,
I talk about what they wanted and what they get.
mihawk wanted to capture Luffy,
Vista and Crocodile wanted to stop mihawk,
they won, mihawk lost, it's nothing to do with clashes.

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Erkan where do you place Mihawk

Weaker than Yonko.

Same levels with Vista and top yonko commanders.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

@Erkan12

Here's the official translation of that SBS.

Q: What's the name of Whitebeard's enormous naginata weapon? Is that one of the Supreme-Grade Weapons?

A: It's called Murakumogiri, which means "Cloud Cutter." It's a Supreme-Grade!

 

[Erkan12]

So even non-sword blade weapons get classed as Wazamonos. It still doesn't make Whitebeard a swordsman.



Kaido lopping off a fodder's head with his crew mate's sword doesn't make him a swordsman.

Shanks didn't even cut a single object in the entire series.

Kaido sliced of Orochi's head with one strike.

Kaido showed better swordsmanship skills than Shanks at this moment.

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@Erkan12

Here's the official translation of that SBS.

Q: What's the name of Whitebeard's enormous naginata weapon? Is that one of the Supreme-Grade Weapons?

A: It's called Murakumogiri, which means "Cloud Cutter." It's a Supreme-Grade!

I took it from wikia, I thought that was VIZ?

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Shanks didn't even cut a single object in the entire series.

Kaido sliced of Orochi's head with one strike.

Kaido showed better swordsmanship skills than Shanks at this moment.

Shanks's swordsmanship with Whitebeard's naginata and split the clouds above.

I took it from wikia, was that a wrong translation then?

The Viz translation is the professional one.

 

[Erkan12]

Shanks's swordsmanship with Whitebeard's naginata and split the clouds above.



The Viz translation is the professional one.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_93

Who translated this nonsense then?

Anyways, Kaido used sword, Whitebeard uses a sword-like weapon.

Do you think mihawk would be magically stronger than whitebeard if he holds a sword like Kaido did?

 

[Chaves]

sword fandom will be destroyed when E.Oda finally reveal Shanks's true powers

I can barely wait. This would revolutionize a new era in discussions about power levels

 

[Erkan12]

Shanks's swordsmanship with Whitebeard's naginata and split the clouds above.

Also splitting heavens has anything to do with swordsmanship; Kaido did the same with his club.

 

[style]

Hope that BB Vs Shanks don't get offscreened, because you know, now all fights between top tiers are clash then off screen. Literally, clash+off screen, I hope that Oda changes this awful pattern for Shanks vs BB