Character Discussion Oda teases Shanks in 2021

Because all titles are just rumors, it doesn't come directly from Oda. Info boxes were always deceiving and it's what people knows in One piece.

Mihawk is stronger than Vista? He needs to prove it. He didn't, he couldn't pass Vista and do what he wanted, he couldn't make Vista sweat. Even in that big mom vs Marco, we see Marco sweats. And Marco > vista. How can this mihawk guy can be equal to Yonko when Vista can easily stop him from what he wanted to do? He asks Vista's permission to end the duel. They are same level. If Vista can do that to mihawk, what Marco would do to Mihawk? Far worse.
Big Mom got stopped or clowned multiple times by weaker opponents. Doesn't mean she isn't Yonko level
 
There is no proof Shanks got stronger.
WB said he hadn't heard of shanks in a long time also Yonkou isn't just strength think about crew and alliances
It's been 4 years since he is yonko. Then 2 years time skip. Of course 4 years is long, could be even months or 1-2 years since WB heard him.

Another irrelevant argument.

Captain strength detemines everything in One piece pirate world, even zoro said that in fishman island when Luffy used CoC. So no excuses, Shanks got stronger 6 years before by beating someone like Marco or Katakuri level opponent, Mihawk never did that even with Vista who is weaker than Marco. Marco would destroy Mihawk if he fought him instead Vista.
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Big Mom got stopped or clowned multiple times by weaker opponents. Doesn't mean she isn't Yonko level
They all run away from Big mom after that, Jinbe and co was running away from Big mom so she proved she is stronger than them. She one-shotted Judge. She beat G4 Luffy. We know she is stronger than Katakuri who is suppose to be stronger than Vista.

Crocodile and Vista didn't run from Mihawk, not even Buggy, he didn't run from Mihawk. Big mom and Mihawk are different levels.
 
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Because all titles are just rumors, it doesn't come directly from Oda. Info boxes were always deceiving and it's what people knows in One piece.

Mihawk is stronger than Vista? He needs to prove it. He didn't, he couldn't pass Vista and do what he wanted, he couldn't make Vista sweat. Even in that big mom vs Marco, we see Marco sweats. And Marco > vista. How can this mihawk guy can be equal to Yonko when Vista can easily stop him from what he wanted to do? He asks Vista's permission to end the duel. They are same level. If Vista can do that to mihawk, what Marco would do to Mihawk? Far worse.
Title aren't just rumors, that's one of the worst headcanons ever heard. You cannot take an author's statement and affirm it's a rumor lol.

Re read Mihawk's Vivre Card Databook Erkan and you will realize what we are talking about here.

He doesn't need to prove anything when his title already tells who he is.
 
It's been 4 years since he is yonko. Then 2 years time skip. Of course 4 years is long, could be even months or 1-2 years since WB heard him.

Another irrelevant argument.

Captain strength detemines everything in One piece pirate world, even zoro said that in fishman island when Luffy used CoC. So no excuses, Shanks got stronger 6 years before by beating someone like Marco or Katakuri level opponent, Mihawk never did that even with Vista who is weaker than Marco. Marco would destroy Mihawk if he fought him instead Vista.
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They all run away from Big mom after that, Jinbe and co was running away from Big mom so she proved she is stronger than them. She one-shotted Judge. She beat G4 Luffy. We know she is stronger than Katakuri who is suppose to be stronger than Vista.

Crocodile and Vista didn't run from Mihawk, not even Buggy, he didn't run from Mihawk. Big mom and Mihawk are different levels.
Why is Katakuri supposed to be stronger than Vista?

Luffy, Zoro, Kidd, Killer arent't running away from Big Mom and Kaido, I guess using your logic, they are the same level then
 
WB Pirate ranks aren't based off strength or authority.

Also don't see how that page proves Katakuri must be > Vista
Yeah ı know that.But Jozu's feats>Vista.Marco and Jozu stronger than Vista.
Does this page not prove how ?

Rayleigh sees Katakuri as one of the few, even among the most powerful in the world.

Do you really think Rayleigh would say this for Vista.Kata's hype and portrayal way better than Vista.Just look at Perospero's words.
You can infer that crews have fought in the past.Katakuri had an invincibility streak until Luffy. He didn't lose against even Marco.

 
Yeah ı know that.But Jozu's feats>Vista.Marco and Jozu stronger than Vista.
Does this page not prove how ?

Rayleigh sees Katakuri as one of the few, even among the most powerful in the world.

Do you really think Rayleigh would say this for Vista.Kata's hype and portrayal way better than Vista.Just look at Perospero's words.
You can infer that crews have fought in the past.Katakuri had an invincibility streak until Luffy. He didn't lose against even Marco.

Rayleigh is clearly talking about one of the few who have future sight. Future Sight alone doesn't make you stronger. BM and Kaido for example haven't shown FS, but are stronger than Kata.
 
It's obvious Shanks saving Mihawk and Buggy's ass and then going to Wano to save Luffy and Zoro's ass

Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kid, Killer, X-Drake, Hawkins x Kaido
Shanks x Big Mom
Marco x King
Sanji x Queen
Jimbe x Who Whos
Franky x Sasaki
Robin x Black Maria
Brook x Apoo
Nami, Usopp, Otama, Momonosuke and shinobu x Page One
Yamato x Ulti

Mihawki, Buggy, Ben Beckman, Lucky Roux, Yasop and Redhead Pirates x Big Mom's Gang
 
Rayleigh is clearly talking about one of the few who have future sight. Future Sight alone doesn't make you stronger. BM and Kaido for example haven't shown FS, but are stronger than Kata.
Only those among the strongest have this ability.Rayleigh says the people who can see the future are among the strongest.Anyway Kata is stronger than Vista.Thats clear as day.
 
Shanks wont help Luffy at Wano imo, its too much since the amount of YC1 guys in alliance is already enough to match BM and Kaidou. So after this, Shanks maybe will be shown clashing with BB's crew, or Elbaf's giants, etc. But those clashes' climax will be offscreened as well :gokulaugh:
 
Katakuri being among the strongest doesn't mean Vista isn't.

The truth is we don't know how they fare in terms of power level compared to each other and will probably never know.
Vista isn't one of the few even among the strongest.Katakuri is.Difference is big.Isn't same thing.
We already know the truth. I guess you didn't read my comment.WB crew and Bm crew fought in the past.Kata didn't lose to WB's any commander.
 
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Fallen Prince

By sweating against big mom?



LOL no.

Even if you think marco = big mom > it's still vista = mihawk,

The point is we don't know how Shanks fight, so you can't use him to hype mihawk, use what you know; vista owns mihawk, crocodile owns mihawk etc.

Yes, you can say Kaido = Shanks.

marco didn't get what he wanted, he wanted to keep big mom there, but he failed, vista allowed mihawk to leave the ice, vista was pressuring harder, and he never sweat against mihawk, marco did against big mom.

again; big mom did what she wanted, and she showed that she is stronger, mihawk never did against vista and crocodile.

Debunked again.
What if mihawk was just holding back . You know he just doesnt go around proving himself he is uno swordsman.

I really dont get why you think vista is on same level as mihawk though ? Any reason or strong claim where you saw vistas feat was better than him ?
 
Vista isn't one of the few even among the strongest.Katakuri is.Difference is big.Isn't same thing.
We already know the truth. I guess you didn't read my comment.WB crew and Bm crew fought in the past.Kata didn't lose to WB's any commander.
Just because the crews fought doesn't mean Vista faced off against Katakuri specifically.

Vista was part of the core of the WBP just like Katakuri with BMPs, there's nothing evident in the manga to say Kata > Vista for sure apart from headcanon wank.
 
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