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Finalbeta

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Fact. Zoro has advanced haki before Luffy. With his mastery, he is stronger than them all.
They can allegedly end up even by EoS, but in this arc things could indeed flip different yeah.

I remember they were always portrayed as equals since the long gone times of Whisky Peak arc where they clashed evenly, or Enies Lobby, with Zoro one shotting the second strongest CP9 member and showing that Asura was Lucci worthy.
 
Are you serious?

If Kidd, Zoro, Law and Luffy take out current Kaido they shit on Oden's power level.

Kaido wasn't Yonko level 20 years ago nor was Oden. Stop please.
This "age" and "prime" doesn't make sense:
Both were already more or less past 40, so near little to nothing "youth" growth. And if Oden survived - that is if Oda wanted so, due to plot, because power wise he was going for the kill - he would have be able to repeat same feat and eventually even kill Kaido in others circumstances. But, while he did that alone, with 8 men, and a snitch, and Kaido knowing where and when they'll attack, and Oden losing due to the dirtiest trick, if Alliance do beat kaido it will be due to a raid where they prepared everything and kaido wasn't aware of + And all vs 1 fight + no snitch involved - only in the favor of Luffy's team - + no dirty trick involved against luffy's team, let alone having PTSD due to Oden and beeing mentally weakened due to it. Hell, kaido is already weakened by the 9s.
So their feat of beating him = Oden feat of beeing close to wining wasn't it for the trick.
 

Seth

𝐊𝐨𝐤𝐮𝐭𝐨 𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐬𝐮𝐢
This "age" and "prime" doesn't make sense:
Both were already more or less past 40, so near little to nothing "youth" growth. And if Oden survived - that is if Oda wanted so, due to plot, because power wise he was going for the kill - he would have be able to repeat same feat and eventually even kill Kaido in others circumstances. But, while he did that alone, with 8 men, and a snitch, and Kaido knowing where and when they'll attack, and Oden losing due to the dirtiest trick, if Alliance do beat kaido it will be due to a raid where they prepared everything and kaido wasn't aware of + And all vs 1 fight + no snitch involved - only in the favor of Luffy's team - + no dirty trick involved against luffy's team, let alone having PTSD due to Oden and beeing mentally weakened due to it. Hell, kaido is already weakened by the 9s.
So their feat of beating him = Oden feat of beeing close to wining wasn't it for the trick.
During their fight Kaido and Oden were YC1 or above YC1 at best.

Oden sucked at CoO Shinobu must've step in so he won't gen unnecessary damage from fodders. Also he never showed his CoC.

There is no way Kaido and Oden from 20 years ago were Yonko levels where there were guys like Primebeard, Prime Roger, Shiki and etc.

Kaido reached his peak recently. Around Marineford or during the time Shanks became Yonko.
 
sadly, i'm a bit tired of wano ngl
I feel you, but it should be interesting from here on cause the battles actually have to start soon, at least with Big Mom, Kaido, Sasaki and WsW.

People seemingly not in their "battle" locations are Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Brook, Yamato, Sanji , Page 1, Ulti, Black Maria, Jack, Queen, and King, so there's still a lot, but I'd say the next ~5 chapters should make these way more obvious to us.
 

Seth

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The fact that Oda continues to marginalize King and Queen and refuses to include big moms crew....I can’t bring myself to believe the alliance will win this war.
I don't why but I can totally see King and Queen vs the rest of the Big Mom Pirates. I don't believe in LinLin good intentions towards Kaido.
 
During their fight Kaido and Oden were YC1 or above YC1 at best.

Oden sucked at CoO Shinobu must've step in so he won't gen unnecessary damage from fodders. Also he never showed his CoC.

There is no way Kaido and Oden from 20 years ago were Yonko levels where there were guys like Primebeard, Prime Roger, Shiki and etc.

Kaido reached his peak recently. Around Marineford or during the time Shanks became Yonko.
Don't seem to make sense to me : You expect somebody that is already 40 to go from more or less YC1 tier to top tier yonko - more or less the strongest rn -, so gaining like 3 to 4 tiers?
 

Roronoa-sama

Magic Sword, Magic Swordsman, and Can Cut Anything
[QUOTE = "ranady, post: 921041, member: 886"] Realmente necesitan más ayuda. La derrota de dos yonko por la unión de fuerzas de supernovas sería una buena declaración de que la nueva generación está tomando la delantera sobre las antiguas [/ QUOTE]
It’s funny to me. The same kids who cry about Oda’s writing will still be the same kids here reading it regardless instead of.....y’know doing something more productive in life like going outside, getting a job, dropping this manga all together and picking up another one...anything besides bitching.......

Anyways I’ll be here to see Sanji DEMOLISH 3 CALAMITIES, SAVE ZORO FROM KAIDO’S WIND BREATH(or he’ll end up like Kiku 2.0) AND CRACK OPEN KAIDO’S SKULL!!!!!!
Well wait untill it will piblish san piece
 
The fact that Oda continues to marginalize King and Queen and refuses to include big moms crew....I can’t bring myself to believe the alliance will win this war.
Tbh, if he started to focus on them now, then everything would have been delayed even further. I expect the 3 calamities to last a decent while after the F5 go down tbh, its why their matchup are not even clear yet nor are engaging particular people, unlike the flying 5 (who are still experiencing shifts in their battles)
 
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