Powers & Abilities Power Creep and Story Inconsistencies
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Of course they should be able to go up against a Yonkou and his crew at this point. We're 1000 chapters in after all.
It's the portrayal in previous post-skip arcs, that create the inconsistency and plot conveniences though.
Luffy came out of his 2-year training and actually struggled mightily against Hody Jones (almost died due to blood loss).
When he met a "real challenge" in Katakuri, he got absolutely dominated for 95% of the fight and only won, because the latter injured himself and basically forfeited their match. That's also where he miraculously learned FS in the span of a few hours.
Then Kaido absolutely destroys him (one-shot victory).
After a week of training in a mine, now he should be suddenly able to go up against Kaido.
Sorry, but what exactly did he do in those 2 years with Rayleigh, when suddenly a few hours against Katakuri and one week in a prison mine have more payoff than his entire 2 year timeskip training?
Those things just don't make much sense, no matter how much fans will try to practice damage control.
Nobody would've said anything, if Luffy & Co. came out of their timeskip training way more capable than they actually did, because that would've created way less plot conveniences and would've made their entire training and new growth look much more plausible.
Of course they should be able to go up against a Yonkou and his crew at this point. We're 1000 chapters in after all.
It's the portrayal in previous post-skip arcs, that create the inconsistency and plot conveniences though.
Luffy came out of his 2-year training and actually struggled mightily against Hody Jones (almost died due to blood loss).
When he met a "real challenge" in Katakuri, he got absolutely dominated for 95% of the fight and only won, because the latter injured himself and basically forfeited their match. That's also where he miraculously learned FS in the span of a few hours.
Then Kaido absolutely destroys him (one-shot victory).
After a week of training in a mine, now he should be suddenly able to go up against Kaido.
Sorry, but what exactly did he do in those 2 years with Rayleigh, when suddenly a few hours against Katakuri and one week in a prison mine have more payoff than his entire 2 year timeskip training?
Those things just don't make much sense, no matter how much fans will try to practice damage control.
Nobody would've said anything, if Luffy & Co. came out of their timeskip training way more capable than they actually did, because that would've created way less plot conveniences and would've made their entire training and new growth look much more plausible.
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I think the word you're looking for is building the bigger universe. There is no power creep. We had dude having a sea monster shit themselves by just staring at them at the very first chapter. Light speed reflexes (still unexplained) from Lucky Rao. The story literally started with "Wealth, Fame, POWER the man who had it all, Pirate King-Gold Roger." And since Luffy is following the same route of Roger it's only fair for him to attain more power.
He got one good punch at Kaido and all this ruckus. It's not like he one-shotted Kaido.
He got one good punch at Kaido and all this ruckus. It's not like he one-shotted Kaido.
Luffy didn't struggle against body. He was underwater limting him. And the blood loss was the theme of the arc.
Luffy didn't defeat katakuri. Katakuri gave up.
So the 2 years training with Rayleigh did you expect luffy to be yonko level and one shot every opponent till the end of the story?
Oda did the power escalation in a good way. I don't expect him to go into details and overly explain everything like HxH which can take up a good chunk of chapters
I don't know how else you want luffy to get power ups.
It will be more than boring for him to climb a mountain and train for some months for future sight.
Luffy trained for 2 weeks in udon and people were complaining that it is boring.
Luffy didn't defeat katakuri. Katakuri gave up.
So the 2 years training with Rayleigh did you expect luffy to be yonko level and one shot every opponent till the end of the story?
Oda did the power escalation in a good way. I don't expect him to go into details and overly explain everything like HxH which can take up a good chunk of chapters
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I don't know how else you want luffy to get power ups.
It will be more than boring for him to climb a mountain and train for some months for future sight.
Luffy trained for 2 weeks in udon and people were complaining that it is boring.
The problem seems to be that Oda made yonkous too strong. They are yeeting commanders like nothing. Destroying every scabbard in a full moon without a scratch. Casually floating an island while having a conversation.
There was no logical method for bridging the gap besides adding 2 more arcs or another time skip. So now we get a power inconsistency because Oda wrote himself into another corner lol.
There was no logical method for bridging the gap besides adding 2 more arcs or another time skip. So now we get a power inconsistency because Oda wrote himself into another corner lol.
They did come out of the timeskip way more capable than what we were shown. Oda just kept having them hold back for the sake of Fishman Island, and Punk Hazard's fights not ending in a few panels.
Hordy stood no chance against Luffy, which is why Oda took the fight to underwater, and made a Devil Fruit user fight a Fishman underwater inside of a bubble, and even then Hordy only managed to land one attack throughout the entire fight, where he bit Luffy on the shoulder. The almost died aspect came from Luffy overexerting himself to destroy the Noah.
With Caesar he made Luffy's objective to only capture him, and not flat out defeat him. A little flimsy of a reason to not have Luffy destroy him immediately, but it served it's purpose to push the rest of the plot of Punk Hazard forward and established everything that was to come latter on in the series with Dressrosa and Wano.
With Doflamingo, who is a solidified YC level character, the fight was exactly opposite than that of Fishman Island and Punk Hazard, where Oda needed it to end sooner, rather than later. There was no 10+ hours to waste to have Doflamingo be defeated, which is what it would have boiled down to in a straight one on one fight.
With WCI, Oda put Luffy against the two characters of Big Mom's crew that were completely circumstantial. One who had an endless army at his disposal, and one who could see the future, and is closest to Top Tier than anyone Luffy had fought before. These two fights served as the catalyst to push Luffy closer to the top tier spectrum of the World, which was needed.
At the end of the day, had Luffy not come out of the Timeskip as strong as he was, then simply gaining AdCoO and AdCoA would not allow him to be where he stands right now.
Hordy stood no chance against Luffy, which is why Oda took the fight to underwater, and made a Devil Fruit user fight a Fishman underwater inside of a bubble, and even then Hordy only managed to land one attack throughout the entire fight, where he bit Luffy on the shoulder. The almost died aspect came from Luffy overexerting himself to destroy the Noah.
With Caesar he made Luffy's objective to only capture him, and not flat out defeat him. A little flimsy of a reason to not have Luffy destroy him immediately, but it served it's purpose to push the rest of the plot of Punk Hazard forward and established everything that was to come latter on in the series with Dressrosa and Wano.
With Doflamingo, who is a solidified YC level character, the fight was exactly opposite than that of Fishman Island and Punk Hazard, where Oda needed it to end sooner, rather than later. There was no 10+ hours to waste to have Doflamingo be defeated, which is what it would have boiled down to in a straight one on one fight.
With WCI, Oda put Luffy against the two characters of Big Mom's crew that were completely circumstantial. One who had an endless army at his disposal, and one who could see the future, and is closest to Top Tier than anyone Luffy had fought before. These two fights served as the catalyst to push Luffy closer to the top tier spectrum of the World, which was needed.
At the end of the day, had Luffy not come out of the Timeskip as strong as he was, then simply gaining AdCoO and AdCoA would not allow him to be where he stands right now.
I actually remember back when the "Accepted" Discourse regarding Luffy's Powerlevel when he arrived on Fishman Island was that he was still weaker than most New World Captains and that Even Squardo would still kick his ass
That Headcanon was so destroyed over the years that it's not even funny. Fishman Island Luffy was bellow only Yonko Commanders and Some YC4
That Headcanon was so destroyed over the years that it's not even funny. Fishman Island Luffy was bellow only Yonko Commanders and Some YC4
Plus adding to that that he would not have learned it this fast in the first place, since Rayleigh laid the groundworks for him to learn it in the first place.
I think part of the problem is also people expecting characters to be infallible, meaning they can exert previously shown, hinted at or implied abilities at every instance and in every moment.
That was never One Piece and never will be.
I think part of the problem is also people expecting characters to be infallible, meaning they can exert previously shown, hinted at or implied abilities at every instance and in every moment.
That was never One Piece and never will be.