Powers & Abilities Power Creep and Story Inconsistencies

#82
LMAO
SnK and HxH too have their bad shit in writing too

But let me tell you why I put One Piece > than all of those 3 you mentioned.... without actually ruining the mood for other series you mentioned because I still enjoy them...

the reason you actually MENTIONED YOURSELF..... We both enjoy One Piece more.... it's just that simple
You can personally put OP above those series, that's your opinion and it's totally fine.

In terms of enjoyment I enjoy OP more than SnK, like I said, but not more than HxH.

If we want to talk about plot conveniences, logical writing, a quality powersystem etc. especially HxH is way better in those aspects compared to OP.

I don't think that's the right place to compare those series though, so I'll leave it at that.
 
#83
The power creep here is fine imo.

We already knew long ago the type of power that the EOS straw hats will have. We were shown this through the admirals and Whitebeard in Marineford.

People keep complaining about Luffy hurting Kaido now but couldn’t earlier. I mean it’s kinda fair that he can now when he couldn’t earlier.

Luffy before udon only did physical surface damage. However now his new haki is capable of armor piercing which ignores some of
I would like to point out that Red Hawk does internal combustion damage without ryou.

It’s not too much of a stretch to say the Gear 3 version Red Roc works the same way. Meaning that Luffy may not have even used ryou.
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See above.

Red roc needs ryou to work because it’s not like gear 2.
Gear 2 uses haki to combust his fist in flame through the use of vulcanization and the strong blood flow.
Gear 3 doesnt have the blood flow of gear 2. As such Luffy needs to increase the haki in order to reach the same effect as red Hawk on such a massive hand. It logically can’t be anything but ryou
 
#85
Those same fans who actually say "One Piece is about adventure not battles"
Give them 2-3 chapters of Sunny-go adventuring with sea creatures and have random ass shit... and people will be creating threads about "Oda lost his touch, he cannot create an interesting story" type of shit LOL

and people would be hating on Oda for it....

They specifically did the SAME SHIT with Oden's flashback.... the flashback was FILLED with adventure stuff... and characterization... and morality and codes...etc... and battles were skipped... the amount of hate the flashback got after that is UNBELIEVABLE

although not gonna lie, that flashback >>>>>>>> Law flashback... people can come at me and hate me for it LOL...

me while Law flashback was playing: When is it gonna end? I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIM or being a D.

Me in Oden's flashback: Don't end it fast Oda... do more!

LOL
To be frank, Oden flashback everyone enjoyed when Oden was with Roger/Whitebeard...the problem came with "5 year Oden dancing" and "Oden vs Kaido" stuff...climax of that flashback ruined the part of it....otherwise it was 10/10 flashback
 
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#86
"I write ONE PIECE as dramatically as I can. If I had written a pure battle manga, it would have been easily defeated by Dragon Ball." ONE PIECE 10th Treasures (2007)

I think saying OP is a battle manga is like saying Gintama is a battle manga, Yeah, there are a lot of fights in both series, but it’s not the main point of them.

Fights in OP are there to resolve the drama, not just for the sake of fighting, like the way Dragon Ball was, where the Journey to the West adventure part was dumped relatively early on.
Even Oda says it
Not pure battle manga, it doesn't mean it isn't a battle manga.

Dramatic/adventured battle manga : OP
Pure battle manga : DBZ
Those same fans who actually say "One Piece is about adventure not battles"
Give them 2-3 chapters of Sunny-go adventuring with sea creatures and have random ass shit... and people will be creating threads about "Oda lost his touch, he cannot create an interesting story" type of shit LOL

and people would be hating on Oda for it....

They specifically did the SAME SHIT with Oden's flashback.... the flashback was FILLED with adventure stuff... and characterization... and morality and codes...etc... and battles were skipped... the amount of hate the flashback got after that is UNBELIEVABLE

although not gonna lie, that flashback >>>>>>>> Law flashback... people can come at me and hate me for it LOL...

me while Law flashback was playing: When is it gonna end? I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIM or being a D.

Me in Oden's flashback: Don't end it fast Oda... do more!

LOL
Yes.
Look at how Fans were crying (including me) coz there wasn't battles as wished during flashbacks

Look at how Fans make threads and want Zoro/Sanji vs X

When oda does only skirmishes, people got upset and quit OP during WCI

Yet wanna claim they follow OP for adventures or OP isn't about battles.

It may not be like dbz but it is surely a battle manga with more dramatic purposes
 
#87
That's debatable.

We have no proof that Kaido saw that arriving. And so far we only know that he was hit without moving a muscle or showing any kind of reaction, so that sounds a bit fishy, in the least. It wasn't usually like that, this is why.
Kaido didn't doge the scabbards attack. He's a tank who takes attack first before he fights and in this scenario a guy who couldn't even damage him when he was drunk was attacking him. No need to dodge
 
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#88
Is there any reincarnation in OP that I'm missing?
And luffy is destined to find the one piece that's why he's the MC of the story
:myman:yeah
Joyboy rebirth/reappearing
Another poseidon born every 1000 years or so

Luffy destined via prophecy...
But hey

Even kaido is falling because it's destined so

Kaido and Imu will lose because of a prophecy/destined plot
 
#89
Is there any reincarnation in OP that I'm missing?
And luffy is destined to find the one piece that's why he's the MC of the story
Not really. The idea of inherited will is more a dream passed from generation to generation like an unstoppable tide than it is the same person being born again and again.

Shirahoshi could be a case of literal reincarnation, but I don’t think Luffy is.
 
#90
OP hardcore fans have fooled people that :
OP is different from Naruto and others : No Reincarnation/Prophecy/Destiny crap...
They thought inherited Will was different lol
OP isn't a battle manga
OP won't have time travel.

Oda debunked all of these over and over
Where is the reincarnation or did I skip something
It is tho
It isn't tho
I dont who said that
 
#91
:kayneshrug:

Main cast :
Conan /Shinichi > Luffy
Heji > Zoro
Ran > Nami
Rans friend ~ Robin
Kogoro > Franky
Detective boys > chopper the useless
....

OP has better world building and lots of plots , I agree
Detective Conan also has better secondary characters (villain, parent, friendly rival)
Gin ~ MF Akainu > current Akainu. Both portrayed as big dog among the villains.
Rum > Doffy or other schemer villain type. Rum doesn't underestimate FBIs and can quickly counter their strategy. Doffy despite constant speech of "nOt uNdeReStImAtInG" still ended up underestimating them.

Yusaku >> Dragon. Both were greatly hyped since the early chapters. But Yusaku's hype delivers and whenever he acts, he can always turn the table. Dragon was hyped since long but when he finally made his move, his first move is retreating from HQ and second move is sweating that his subordinates are being captured and right. What a loser.

Akai / Heiji / Kid > Worst Gens. Gosho never turned Akai /Heiji / Kid into Conan's cheerleaders. While we all know Worst Gen is becoming into Luffy's cheerleaders one by one.
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Haibara in the place of Nami could have agreed....Ran simply nah....
Haibara puts Nami in the trash can
 
#92
So when should they but a yonko? You expect the crew to climb a mountain and train for 30 years to be yonko level?
This is not the topic or aim of what I said...because I SUPPORT Luffy taking down kaido... and EVEN Big Mom to fall this arc... cause I seek entertaining....

BUT if you want a logical answer which is NOT entertaining... Logically Luffy should have the power now to AFFECT Kaido maybe EVEN a finisher attack that with enough damage, to knock Kaido....

HOWEVER, in terms of defense... Kaido can tank SO MANY of Luffy's hits... but Luffy cannot tank Kaido's hits based on fact 2 weeks ago, he was oneshotted brutally... AT BEST, his progress with durability will make him take 2 thunder bagua instead of one LOL... his training was to affect Kaido, and not TANK kaido's attacks

BUT we all know that Luffy in this war will TANK so many more attacks than just 1 or 2 thunder bagua... he's about to endure a LOOOOOT of attacks from Kaido or even Big Mom... which is ILLOGICAL.... but entertaining which is my main focus and concern, which is to have entertainment >>>> logical shit
 
#94
You can personally put OP above those series, that's your opinion and it's totally fine.

In terms of enjoyment I enjoy OP more than SnK, like I said, but not more than HxH.

If we want to talk about plot conveniences, logical writing, a quality powersystem etc. especially HxH is way better in those aspects compared to OP.

I don't think that's the right place to compare those series though, so I'll leave it at that.
yep, let's leave it at that LOL
 
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#95
Detective Conan also has better secondary characters (villain, parent, friendly rival)
Gin ~ MF Akainu > current Akainu. Both portrayed as big dog among the villains.
Rum > Doffy or other schemer villain type. Rum doesn't underestimate FBIs and can quickly counter their strategy. Doffy despite constant speech of "nOt uNdeReStImAtInG" still ended up underestimating them.

Yusaku >> Dragon. Both were greatly hyped since the early chapters. But Yusaku's hype delivers and whenever he acts, he can always turn the table. Dragon was hyped since long but when he finally made his move, his first move is retreating from HQ and second move is sweating that his subordinates are being captured and right. What a loser.

Akai / Heiji / Kid > Worst Gens. Gosho never turned Akai /Heiji / Kid into Conan's cheerleaders. While we all know Worst Gen is becoming into Luffy's cheerleaders one by one.
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Haibara puts Nami in the trash can
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Dont even mention Dragon.. the most unimpressive Shoen Dad so far
He is yet to deliver to his hype
.yusaku constantly shows why he's respected for his detective/writing skills.

Dragon has been clowning, hiding and the first move fails
Imagine sending a 22 y.0 and 3 commanders into a fortress defended by A strong organisation
Wise indeed

Minato, Ging, Yusaku, isshin...
100p chapters yet Dragon is yet to deliver really even in flashbacks
 
#97
:myman:yeah
Joyboy rebirth/reappearing
Another poseidon born every 1000 years or so

Luffy destined via prophecy...
But hey

Even kaido is falling because it's destined so

Kaido and Imu will lose because of a prophecy/destined plot
I haven't heard of any joy boy rebirth
Poseidon is an ancient weapon
Kaido will fall because he's an antagonist and needs to be defeated
Do you want kaido to win and the manga end?
 

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#98
After chapter 1000, I’m entirely convinced that One Piece is going down the same route as Dragon Ball and Naruto where the power creep for the main characters gets way too out of hand.

Am I overreacting or are my concerns legitimate?
It was out of hand once Luffy defeated Lucci who was a assassin specialist/prodigy, or Nami defeating with Doublefinger the assassin.
 
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#99
I haven't heard of any joy boy rebirth
Poseidon is an ancient weapon
Kaido will fall because he's an antagonist and needs to be defeated
Do you want kaido to win and the manga end?
Nope. Thats not it
Obviously Kaido will lose but oda nailing that he will lose to JOYBOY and new pirates because of some destined plot and prophecy

Luffy is joyboy.
 
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Dont even mention Dragon.. the most unimpressive Shoen Dad so far
He is yet to deliver to his hype
.yusaku constantly shows why he's respected for his detective/writing skills.

Dragon has been clowning, hiding and the first move fails
Imagine sending a 22 y.0 and 3 commanders into a fortress defended by A strong organisation
Wise indeed

Minato, Ging, Yusaku, isshin...
100p chapters yet Dragon is yet to deliver really even in flashbacks
hard agree on Dragon....
 
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