Character Discussion Why Enma and the Raid Suit are completely diffrent types of power-up

Which is worse?

  • Lanji's power-up is worse obviously

    Votes: 26 57.8%

  • ZoLo's power-up is worse obviously

    Votes: 19 42.2%
  • Total voters
    45
Sir Tuna Sandwich II

Sir Tuna Sandwich II

SII - Sakazuki Incinerate Imu
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#1
#1
Conditions for ZoLo getting Enma:
- Having one of his sword stolen from him (again)
- Losing the one who stolen his sword after passing out because he ate shit-tier food like an idiot
- Being salty because he was unable to find the one who stolen his sword
- Being told over and over this swrod is Wano's treasure but refuse to return it like a bitch
- Having a pretty girl begging from him to trade it for another sword just as good
- Feeling like a jerk so he agree
- Having to "tame" Enma to use it

Conditions for Lanji getting Raid Suit:
- Being blackmailed
- Getting kidnapped
- Being forced to marrige 16 y/o while you 21(not that he had an issue with that😒)
- Forced to fight his captain to the point he start to cry
- Being blackmailed (again)
- Being rebellious so he got beaten like a bitch by his brothers
- Feeling for his abusers and saving them
- Having the abusers feeling shitty because they got saved by you so they help you out and sneak it to your pocket (or Luffy's pocket?)
- Having to give-up on your pride to use Raid Suit


Completely diffrent. Am I wrong? (Rethorical question, BigMemeWasHere is never wrong!)
 
Mr. Anderson

Mr. Anderson

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#2
#2
BigMemeWasHere said:
Conditions for ZoLo getting Enma:
- Having one of his sword stolen from him (again)
- Losing the one who stolen his sword after passing out because he ate shit-tier food like an idiot
- Being salty because he was unable to find the one who stolen his sword
- Being told over and over this swrod is Wano's treasure but refuse to return it like a bitch
- Having a pretty girl begging from him to trade it for another sword just as good
- Feeling like a jerk so he agree
- Having to "tame" Enma to use it

Conditions for Lanji getting Raid Suit:
- Being blackmailed
- Getting kidnapped
- Being forced to marrige 16 y/o while you 21(not that he had an issue with that😒)
- Forced to fight his captain to the point he start to cry
- Being blackmailed (again)
- Being rebellious so he got beaten like a bitch by his brothers
- Feeling for his abusers and saving them
- Having the abusers feeling shitty because they got saved by you so they help you out and sneak it to your pocket (or Luffy's pocket?)
- Having to give-up on your pride to use Raid Suit


Completely diffrent. Am I wrong? (Rethorical question, BigMemeWasHere is never wrong!)
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You're not wrong, the struggles Sanji is always some shit challenging his values lol
 
kom5

kom5

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#7
#7
Enma is a significant power due sucking up haki so it will draw more and more haki from Zoro increasing his haki amount there for Zoros haki amount will increase and it will give boost to his strength

RS is an instant powerup it increases everything durability, endurance, strength and gives him ability to hide it has more versatility than Enma could every give to Zoro

Enma is more specific offensive power up
RS is more overall power-up

So RS is more a power up than Enma
 
Cross_Marian

Cross_Marian

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#8
#8
It’s simple as that : for example give the Raid suit to someone like Usopp and he will get stronger in an instant. Give Enma to him and he will collapse instantly. The raid suit can make anyone stronger but for Enma you need to tame it through improving your armament haki. Only Oden tamed Enma and Zoro is the second person. Putting Enma in the same category like the Raid suit is completely wrong
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#11
#11
Sanji's powerup is an external one, meaning the SUIT is the real powerup, as it enhances directly Sanji's fighting style, while giving him a few extra tricks. It is the culmination of his WCI's arc.

Zoro's powerup is an internal one, meaning Enma helps Zoro to get strong, not by giving him a new trick, but forcing him to reach a new level of what he already had. It isn't the culmination of anything storywise, just some new thing that exists just because Oda needed to create something "new" for him, since other people were getting new stuff. And to wank Oden even more.
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#13
#13
Zoro D Goat said:
The Raid Suit only gives Sanji durability and invisibility, nothing else. Enma is a power-up but he still gotta train to get used to it.:kayneshrug:
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The boosts on the boots (lol) enhance the power of his kicks. Speed = power, as Kizaru used to say.
Boosts = offensive enhancement.
Durability = defensive enhancement.
Invisibility = gimmick enhancement.
Perfectly balanced. :steef:
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#15
#15
Not only that, the cape can act as a shield to block even physical hits.
Let's how useful this would be.
Seems like the kinda of unecessary thing that will be useful against fodders (flying 6 fodder level for raid suit sanji, poggers), but against the more significant threats, it will probably be useless.
Reminds me of Diamante's ability.
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Zoro D Goat said:
Man, if only the RS was common for sales.:rolaugh:Like imagine how much money Germa will make by selling RS to pirates and marines.:finally:
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Gotta keep the best toys for yourself. As insurance :P
 
Doggo

Doggo

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#17
#17
Mr. Anderson said:
Idk why people are acting like Sanji jumping tiers with power ups is new.

Sanji didnt have to train for DJ, and that buff makes him more powerful without him having to increase his strength. The RS is literally the same
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Because it happened only once?
Not something that "happens all the time" as well.
He had 2 distinct moments of getting stronger before Raid suit.
1 was the Ennies Lobby ass pull powerup DJ.
2 was the timeskip, where he trained for 2 years.
So, until the Raid Suit, it was 50/50 situation. :goyea:
 
Blother Fertitta

Blother Fertitta

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#20
#20
I don’t like this power up debate but these are my two cents.

Zoro still has not Mastered Enma, therefore he cannot go as all out as he would with Shusui (he has to be careful with his Haki output). Enma is the same graded sword as Shusui. It’s not automatically a greater meitou. So, for the past 60 chapters or so, he still doesn’t have it as a power up.

Vinsmoke Asscheeks on the other hand, recognized the RS in chapter 903 I believe. And busted it out in Chapter 931. Literally thirty chapters later using all of its functions. And then, again using it to spy on bitches whilst invisible while his Captain was rotting in Prison. (So much for his pride, eh?).

Which means, as of this moment, Zorojuro still has not reaped the rewards of his blade because he needs to learn how to use it. No doubt Enma is a power up, but to reap its full capabilities, Zorojuro has to stabilize it. Unlike Vinsmoke Asscheeks who gets shit for free without working for it, just like his Dressrosa Bounty, WCI Bounty, and RS, all gifted from his family that he hates. Fantastic.

This is a canonical interpretation. I may be wrong, but to discredit the facts I said, you would have to be a hater. Zoros power up is not immediate, he HAS to train for it, first usage led to a skeletal arm. Asscheeks power up is not, he can use it immediately, gaining Speed, Durability, Invisibility, Power.
 
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