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I mean this is so strange, aren't "woke" people left and since when are the left pro government!? None of this makes any sense 
I might add that in my country both the police as well as the military have been severely underfunded for the last 2 decades, how can I expect an underfunded police force (that is also infiltrate by Nazis as well as Salafists) to protect me?
I might add that in my country both the police as well as the military have been severely underfunded for the last 2 decades, how can I expect an underfunded police force (that is also infiltrate by Nazis as well as Salafists) to protect me?
I think that is an over-focus on idealism rather than pragmatism. When you want to believe in the good of the world you can become myopic. It's a pure way of seeing the world, and you cannot fault the hearts of people who truly think that way. However, what you can do, is pick at the flaws in their rhetoric.
Not all violent offenders can be rehabilitated.
The real sin is when they completely forgo any responsibility for their careless actions and decry those who point out the genuine flaws in their methods as bigots.
But that's the state of this heavily divided world where black and white thinking is rife, popular and growing by the day.
Not all violent offenders can be rehabilitated.
The real sin is when they completely forgo any responsibility for their careless actions and decry those who point out the genuine flaws in their methods as bigots.
But that's the state of this heavily divided world where black and white thinking is rife, popular and growing by the day.
I mean this is so strange, aren't "woke" people left and since when are the left pro government!? None of this makes any sense
I might add that in my country both the police as well as the military have been severely underfunded for the last 2 decades, how can I expect an underfunded police force (that is also infiltrate by Nazis as well as Salafists) to protect me?
I might add that in my country both the police as well as the military have been severely underfunded for the last 2 decades, how can I expect an underfunded police force (that is also infiltrate by Nazis as well as Salafists) to protect me?
I mean this is so strange, aren't "woke" people left and since when are the left pro government!? None of this makes any sense
This concept began when the left wasn't in power and wanted revolution.
Now that left assumed power it shouldn't be considered left anymore. Right? You can't be in a constant state of revolution unless you never took power.
Left is pro governament because it wants the governament to take care of everything. Take for example Cuba where the governament is responsible to pay every worker and to declare what is the cost of everything. Very strict ruled country. That is what leftist wants.
Meanwhile the right that also is somewhat pro governament but they are a bit more flexible.
That's why I praised more for the liberty than taking right or left. Leftist has some liberty demands that I'm in favor of it and the right is against. Like drugs for recreational use. The LGBT freedom to marry(civil marriage).
I don't know enough about the prison system(s) of Brazil or Latin America but every country that has overcrowded prisons run by gangs incl. drugs and weapons being smuggled inside should ask themselves if they can keep going that way because this has nothing to do with that a prison is supposed to do for society. Why can internationally operating drug lords operate from inside the prison, why can they escape prison? How come relatively safe countries like Ecuador can turn into an extremely dangerous place filled with escaped gang prisoners almost over night!?
Idk the original left were anti establishment, no!? Isn't it the right that wants government control and surveillance everywhere?
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Idk the original left were anti establishment, no!? Isn't it the right that wants government control and surveillance everywhere?
Brazil is the country of corruption. We are currently under the dictatorship of our Supreme Court. They went back in their decision of having Lula arrested because he was the only chance to take out Bolsonaro that was making the country better in many aspects but the government leeches didn't liked.
So they freed Lula and allowed him to run for presidency. They made the campaign very favorable to Lula. Pro Bolsonaro content was often shut down as fake news while Pro Lula content also was but in a far less degree. And what content you ask? Really fake news? No! Simply saying Lula is friend with dictatorship (like the ones who he visited, that praised his victory and that came here 1st January to see him becoming president) was called as fake news.
This same Supreme Court is also responsible to prohibit police from going inside "favelas" (poor people communities in Rio de Janeiro) and from using helicopters (that makes police work safer and less civilians to be killed) during operations which allowed the criminal organization to gain territory over the city.
So basically a poor civilian of a favela can't ask for police help if anything happens to that person. A woman getting spanked by her husband can't ask police for help because Supreme Court won't allow police to go over there.
And this was made during pandemics. That was their excuse.
So they freed Lula and allowed him to run for presidency. They made the campaign very favorable to Lula. Pro Bolsonaro content was often shut down as fake news while Pro Lula content also was but in a far less degree. And what content you ask? Really fake news? No! Simply saying Lula is friend with dictatorship (like the ones who he visited, that praised his victory and that came here 1st January to see him becoming president) was called as fake news.
This same Supreme Court is also responsible to prohibit police from going inside "favelas" (poor people communities in Rio de Janeiro) and from using helicopters (that makes police work safer and less civilians to be killed) during operations which allowed the criminal organization to gain territory over the city.
So basically a poor civilian of a favela can't ask for police help if anything happens to that person. A woman getting spanked by her husband can't ask police for help because Supreme Court won't allow police to go over there.
And this was made during pandemics. That was their excuse.
Depends on what type of leftist. Social leftist are about individual rights and freedoms. Economic leftist are about ownership being more concentrated into the state or government.
A liberal wants individual freedoms BUT, has an economic focus on the private sector and is pro-capitlaistic. A left leaning Liberal asks for more government intervention and more private sector power at the same time, which is contradictory.
A liberal wants individual freedoms BUT, has an economic focus on the private sector and is pro-capitlaistic. A left leaning Liberal asks for more government intervention and more private sector power at the same time, which is contradictory.
No, it should prevent them from even having the thought of attacking in the first place. That's in the case of a country with healthy politics. Such country doesn't exist on planet earth yet.
That's why we need better politics worldwide.
In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.
Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.
Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.
If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.
Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.
On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.
Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.
Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.
No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.
Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.
Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?
Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..
Sigh
No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.
Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.
Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.
They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?
No they can't.
I wouldn't be sure about that...
Everything on its left seems to be "woke". It reminds me of people in the far right in my country who think that conservatives are communists..
Do you have specific examples ?
So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...
No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/
Cool, other people are not so lucky
So, more violence ? Less solutions ?
That's not my creed, sorry.
We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.
We are against self justice. Simply because self
You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.
People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.
Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..
Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...
They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.
Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.
I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !
No, its REALIST.
We are a SOCIAL specie.
What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.
Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.
That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.
Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !
Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...
But its actually the right who is :
- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist
Not necessarily no.
I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is
In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."
And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.
I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
That's why we need better politics worldwide.
In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.
Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.
Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.
If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.
Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.
On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.
Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.
Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.
No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.
Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.
Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?
Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..
Sigh
No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.
Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.
Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.
They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?
No they can't.
I wouldn't be sure about that...
'm pro gun how can I be woke
Do you have specific examples ?
So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...
No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/
Cool, other people are not so lucky
So, more violence ? Less solutions ?
That's not my creed, sorry.
We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.
We are against self justice. Simply because self
You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.
People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.
Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..
Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...
They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.
Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.
I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !
No, its REALIST.
We are a SOCIAL specie.
What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.
Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.
That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.
Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !
Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...
But its actually the right who is :
- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist
Not necessarily no.
I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is
In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."
And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.
I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
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