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No, it should prevent them from even having the thought of attacking in the first place. That's in the case of a country with healthy politics. Such country doesn't exist on planet earth yet.
That's why we need better politics worldwide.
In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.
Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.
Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.
If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.
Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.
On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.
Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.
Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.
No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.
Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.
Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?
Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..
Sigh
No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.
Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.
Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.
They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?
No they can't.
I wouldn't be sure about that...
Everything on its left seems to be "woke". It reminds me of people in the far right in my country who think that conservatives are communists..
Do you have specific examples ?
So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...
No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/
Cool, other people are not so lucky
So, more violence ? Less solutions ?
That's not my creed, sorry.
We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.
We are against self justice. Simply because self
You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.
People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.
Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..
Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...
They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.
Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.
I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !
No, its REALIST.
We are a SOCIAL specie.
What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.
Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.
That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.
Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !
Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...
But its actually the right who is :
- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist
Not necessarily no.
I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is
In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."
And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.
I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
That's why we need better politics worldwide.
In that case its already too late and it shouldn't happen in the first place. The fact that this happens means that something is done wrong on the political side. And therefore its the POLITICAL that we must change, not arm the people. People should not be dealing with violence, the state should.
Again, understand that those things must not happen in the first place and if they do, then society is failing, which doesn't means that we need more violence.
Wrong, arming citizen will ONLY lead to more violence. It can't end another way.
If that was the case, you would be a socialist, and not a capitalist.
Its not because violence exist that we must temporarly allow guns. We will only create more violence, gun controls are proven to be effective:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
More gun will lead to more violence. Period. What we need to do is better prevention. I know that in front of violence, this is not your first instinct, but you need to fight that.
On the contrary, I'm well and MORE aware of the problem than you are. I would not talk about feminism to a bunch of conservative if it wasn't the case. Don't try to act like you understand the problem, you don't.
Your solution is to patch up the wound that you don't know why it exist with a stick and a leaf. Mine is to stop people from having wound in the first place because I understand where the problem comes from. We do not play in the same league here.
Indeed, that why we must push people to do good things. And for that, we need good politics, not more technology.
No. That's a complete desillusion. In a capitalistic world, the technology will be hold by the rich and the wealthy. THose who OWN the lines of production. Not poor people or weak people. Those one will be enslaved to the process just as they were unslaved by factory lines in the 20'.
Again, your capitalistic world only leads toward more misery. Not toward equity. If you want equity, there is a solution, but you need to be a bit more red than you are right now.
Again, you live in a desilusion if you think that guns allow women to defend against men. Again, its a proof that you don't understand the problem at all. Do you think that women are in great majority threatenned by men they meet in the streets ?
Wake the F up. That's the opposite. Women are abused in majority by people they know and mostly by their own partner !! I'm sure they will have a LOT of time to go get their gun when they are raped in their own bed in the middle of an intercourse..
Sigh
No its not. Its a great tool for people with a minimum to live off.. but not for really poor people. Really poor people DON'T have access to internet. Don't think that you are not priviledged here mate.
Also, internet is part of the cultural capital. If you are raised with it, it will be easy to use, but if you were not, this will be a nightmare. The majority of Old and poor people are left in the internet limbo because of that.
Internet is not the panacea. Its better than most things, but its not the perfect system that you think it is. And I'm not even talking about making money here.. its a hell hole.
They are still super expensive, on what planet are you leaving on ?
No they can't.
I wouldn't be sure about that...
Everything on its left seems to be "woke". It reminds me of people in the far right in my country who think that conservatives are communists..
Do you have specific examples ?
So the solution is not "better constructed cities and area", but.... "more gun ?" Sigh...
No its not:
- For the reason I explained above
- And for this one: https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/
Cool, other people are not so lucky
So, more violence ? Less solutions ?
That's not my creed, sorry.
We are against self justice. Simply because self justice can be used to create oppressions.
We are against self justice. Simply because self
You are strawmanning here and making a fallacious comparison in the same time.
People who release those type of person are not the same that are angry because they are released. Stop acting like everyone who do something you dislikes is "woke"... most of the time they are on the same side as you are.
Woke people being "naive".. that's a first..
Is this an echo chamber or what... ? You are not helping me keeping you out of the conservative area here...
They confuse state and governments. But yes, we believe that the state should be at the service of people and not the other way around.
Dude... you are on the conservative side right now. There is nothing more idealist than that.
I'm literally the one bringing scientific researches and data report in this thread. Humble yourself !
No, its REALIST.
We are a SOCIAL specie.
What is IDEALIST on the other hand is thinking that people will do BAD things by giving them good directions. That is what idealism is.
Idealism is not on the woke side, its on the RIGHT side, the side that believes in myth like meritocracy, liberalism and capitalism. The side that think that more violence can bring safety. The side that believe that LGBTQ+ are coming for their kids, the side that believe that migrant will steal their jobs (that they don't care to take), the side that believe that technology is the only solution to progress. The side that think that politic doesn't belong in stories.
That side, YOUR side, the RIGHT side, is idealist. And in complete DESILLUSION.
Waky waky, its time to come back to reality now !
Or maybe.. just MAYBE... the left is actually NOT in power in the world...
But its actually the right who is :
- Liberals
- Conservatives
- Far right and bigots
- Authoritarians
- Dictators
- Cryptofascist
Not necessarily no.
I think the problem is that people have a very poor definition of what leftism means. That's why some far rightist think conservative are sometimes communist.. they just don't understand what leftism is
In short, leftism could be shortenned by saying : "the ideology that believes that people are conditionned by social structures in society and that we must change that and therefore challenge the structures of power and the status co to create a better society for a better happiness for all."
And if you want to see on which side you are of the political fence there are a few of very simple question/values you can ask yourself. For me, the best is "do you believe in merit ?" If not, then you are most probably a leftist, if yes, then you are a rightist.
I didn't notice that sentence but yeah.. its the basis for liberal ideas.. it can be leftist if people are understanding that we must change the structures of society to change that, but overall, it will lead toward rightist politics.
Ask yourself this question: Why to people rob other people ?
Create politics to help people in poverty and you will remove the need for those people to resort to crime to live.
To solve insecurities: Politics > Police > Violence
Why would it be fake ?
https://vuokkoset.fi/en/my-body/vuokkoset-for-men-tampon/
Create politics to help people in poverty and you will remove the need for those people to resort to crime to live.
To solve insecurities: Politics > Police > Violence
Why would it be fake ?
https://vuokkoset.fi/en/my-body/vuokkoset-for-men-tampon/
I really hate that argument. I can't afford a range rover, a huge tv, j’s, or designer clothes I should go steal them. 
She's pretending that Logiko is arguing and justifying the theft of luxury goods while all he's doing is trying to explain a societal phenomenon and a potential root cause of it. Looting is obviously wrong and a crime, but it's true that economic inequality among racial lines exacerbates the problem.