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Both of these mfers will scrap with anyone on a moment’s notice, even if they stand no chance of winking. 
Sanji’s overdue a beating the main villain of the arc.
Maybe after he awakens CoC and beats Sommers, Imuko will show up to end his hype and beat his ass.
Sanji’s overdue a beating the main villain of the arc.
Maybe after he awakens CoC and beats Sommers, Imuko will show up to end his hype and beat his ass.
I know people shit often on oda here (and its deserved 100% objectivly with some stuff like haki/power systems) but its great for me as reader to see how many people couldnt predict elbaf with how it turned out till now even if we are 1150 chapters in a manga
Could be. Im primarly hoping they interact after the mr. prince shit would be so funny if Croco recognize his voice
Mihawk is of course is a different beast, but I think the Wings are both comfortably stronger than Croc and max out at extreme diffing Admirals under the right circumstances.
Post Elbaph, as skilled CoC users, they will be at least on par with Admirals.
Narratively, I suspect Zoro in particular will reach the level where he can challenge Mihawk after Elbaph. Sanji with CoC could indeed be on par with that.
Post Elbaph, as skilled CoC users, they will be at least on par with Admirals.
Narratively, I suspect Zoro in particular will reach the level where he can challenge Mihawk after Elbaph. Sanji with CoC could indeed be on par with that.
Nah i disagree upon that until fruther notice
There is a reason oda neither show a logia awakening till now nor let a admiral be defeated as of the second arc of the final saga (and unless there is cut away its safe to say atleast the third)
Sanji will atleast need 2 pus, one this arc and one he fights an admiral, to defeat one at minimum
There is a reason oda neither show a logia awakening till now nor let a admiral be defeated as of the second arc of the final saga (and unless there is cut away its safe to say atleast the third)
Sanji will atleast need 2 pus, one this arc and one he fights an admiral, to defeat one at minimum
Respectfully, I think you overestimate the Admirals and underestimate current Sanji’s strength - which, again, has barely been explored.
I’m quite honestly not even positive Oda will show Logia Awakenings in the manga, and least of all for an Admiral with a busted DF like Kizaru, who seems like an obvious opponent for Sanji.
The Admirals are not physically more formidable than the Wings at this point. If anything, quite the opposite. If Zoro and Sanji become skilled users of CoC, my guy, we’re talking a threshold of power I don’t you think you’ve allowed yourself the proper time to fully mull over, contextualise and appreciate.
Elbaph is the opening salvo of the prophesied Great War. Shanks is on the move for the One Piece. Imu is here. Blackbeard is probably invading the Holyland. It’s all going down now.
I am extremely confident the Wings are going to be Admiral level past this arc.
I’m quite honestly not even positive Oda will show Logia Awakenings in the manga, and least of all for an Admiral with a busted DF like Kizaru, who seems like an obvious opponent for Sanji.
The Admirals are not physically more formidable than the Wings at this point. If anything, quite the opposite. If Zoro and Sanji become skilled users of CoC, my guy, we’re talking a threshold of power I don’t you think you’ve allowed yourself the proper time to fully mull over, contextualise and appreciate.
Elbaph is the opening salvo of the prophesied Great War. Shanks is on the move for the One Piece. Imu is here. Blackbeard is probably invading the Holyland. It’s all going down now.
I am extremely confident the Wings are going to be Admiral level past this arc.
I think we will see. Im just not sure at this point at the final power level of admirals but my feeling says most people underestimating them. The gas that Oda gave Kizaru is not anyone expected pre-egghead. He mocked Luffy claiming verbatum he is clearly the man who defeated Kaido, was sent against a WHOLE yonko crew (remember Luccis intel on how Kizaru acted was when they were still in the phase where everyone in the crew was together) WHILE being told that he could go not all out to not damage punk records and left Egghead undefeated humilating Luffy by feeding him.
Now you could be right and Admirals could not have Logia Awakening/Oda will not show it (which would be extreme cap but not something i would put beyond oda) but even with that i dont see a enemy that will be defeated next arc by the likes of zoro or sanji
Now you could be right and Admirals could not have Logia Awakening/Oda will not show it (which would be extreme cap but not something i would put beyond oda) but even with that i dont see a enemy that will be defeated next arc by the likes of zoro or sanji
If you're referring to Sanji's Wano powerup then, what is left to explore?
Luffy didn't only get ACoA and ACoC on Wano but also a broken god fruit on top of all of that and is still able to improve all of those abilities going forward so don't see why Sanji can't do the same. Then there is Zoro will also most likely improve massively this arc after Scopper's scolding. And then Sanji who by his own admission thinks he's lagging behind Zoro so yes of course Sanji will be getting a massive boost this arc.
Don't know about Sanji having better feats overall 
but Sanji feats are certainly not as bad as the Sanji detractors and haters on WG make it out to be. On the contrary he was very impressive on Egghead in particular.
On CoA, Zoro is able to use Ryuo and iirc CoA barrier so he can use an advanced form of CoA. Agree with everything else ^^
Luffy didn't only get ACoA and ACoC on Wano but also a broken god fruit on top of all of that and is still able to improve all of those abilities going forward so don't see why Sanji can't do the same. Then there is Zoro will also most likely improve massively this arc after Scopper's scolding. And then Sanji who by his own admission thinks he's lagging behind Zoro so yes of course Sanji will be getting a massive boost this arc.
Sanji's had better feats for the past ~150 chapters, most of which in like for like feats. That's not coincidence. Those are deliberate choices.
At the rate we're going, Sanji will end up with CoC and Future Sight. It's not even hinted at Zoro achieving the latter, and neither of them have advanced techniques of CoA.
At the rate we're going, Sanji will end up with CoC and Future Sight. It's not even hinted at Zoro achieving the latter, and neither of them have advanced techniques of CoA.
but Sanji feats are certainly not as bad as the Sanji detractors and haters on WG make it out to be. On the contrary he was very impressive on Egghead in particular.On CoA, Zoro is able to use Ryuo and iirc CoA barrier so he can use an advanced form of CoA. Agree with everything else ^^
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Imma join your conversation.
I think you underestimate the Admirals and over hype Sanji here.
Kizaru was Goofing around with G5 and Luffy stil couldn't take him out lol
Sanji is above YC's, but there is stil a big gap towards Top Tier level.
Based on what? Admirals have maxed out Physical strenght. Kizaru didn't even take G4 attacks serious - while Kaidou was pummeled by them - and he was matching G5 attacks aswell.
Please stop with this ''Admiral level'' shit, there is no such thing. There is the Top Tier realm and that is where characters like the Admirals, Yonkou and so on are.
I think you underestimate the Admirals and over hype Sanji here.
Kizaru was Goofing around with G5 and Luffy stil couldn't take him out lol
Sanji is above YC's, but there is stil a big gap towards Top Tier level.
Based on what? Admirals have maxed out Physical strenght. Kizaru didn't even take G4 attacks serious - while Kaidou was pummeled by them - and he was matching G5 attacks aswell.
Please stop with this ''Admiral level'' shit, there is no such thing. There is the Top Tier realm and that is where characters like the Admirals, Yonkou and so on are.
Quite a lot, actually. We've not seen the full extent of current Sanji's power and abilities.
Remember, Queen managed to deal a lot of damage to Sanji before his awakening completed because it initially compromised his ability to fight. Once that was completely over and he unlocked Ifrit, Queen got blitzed.
Days later, a fresh Sanji managed to do this to a flame-on S-Shark WITHOUT his Germa abilities.
Putting his performance in stark comparison to his crewmates, Lucci and Kaku.
I have no doubt Luffy and Zoro are capable of matching the feat of a motivated Sanji, but the point I'm is that the choice to allow Sanji to shine here was, again, a deliberate choice by Oda to highlight Sanji's newly acquired strength. This further underlined by his choice to firmly establish a Germa-enhanced Sanji is more than capable of physically dominating Seraphims.
The reason Sanji had the AP to deal with Seraphims is speed, which as it so happens appears to be the only awakening-buff Sanji retains passively.
Speed boosts AP.
While Kizaru will likely never be surpassed, Sanji was already a burgeoning speedster by Whole Cake Island.
His Germa awakening took that a whole other level, and we've not even seen him go invisible again.
Sanji's speed is, by feats, the second fastest in the verse.
It logically follows his speed boosts his AP accordingly.
It probably always has, at least to an extent, because Sanji's AP was impressive well before Haki came into the picture.
Now bear in mind, we've not seen Sanji pushed to his limits in a fight since he's awakened this Germa abilities. We've not seen the full extent of what he's capable of by any measure.
It doesn't help Oda had Sanji Germa for IJ one chapter and not in the other.
Can you recall any comparable feats from the past ~150 chapters I've left out?
Remember, Queen managed to deal a lot of damage to Sanji before his awakening completed because it initially compromised his ability to fight. Once that was completely over and he unlocked Ifrit, Queen got blitzed.
Days later, a fresh Sanji managed to do this to a flame-on S-Shark WITHOUT his Germa abilities.
Putting his performance in stark comparison to his crewmates, Lucci and Kaku.
I have no doubt Luffy and Zoro are capable of matching the feat of a motivated Sanji, but the point I'm is that the choice to allow Sanji to shine here was, again, a deliberate choice by Oda to highlight Sanji's newly acquired strength. This further underlined by his choice to firmly establish a Germa-enhanced Sanji is more than capable of physically dominating Seraphims.
The reason Sanji had the AP to deal with Seraphims is speed, which as it so happens appears to be the only awakening-buff Sanji retains passively.
Speed boosts AP.
While Kizaru will likely never be surpassed, Sanji was already a burgeoning speedster by Whole Cake Island.
His Germa awakening took that a whole other level, and we've not even seen him go invisible again.
Sanji's speed is, by feats, the second fastest in the verse.
It logically follows his speed boosts his AP accordingly.
It probably always has, at least to an extent, because Sanji's AP was impressive well before Haki came into the picture.
Now bear in mind, we've not seen Sanji pushed to his limits in a fight since he's awakened this Germa abilities. We've not seen the full extent of what he's capable of by any measure.
It doesn't help Oda had Sanji Germa for IJ one chapter and not in the other.
Don't know about Sanji having better feats overall
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Hey guys, i saw a post on X of a guy saying Gaban was talking about Sanji here.
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone anyways, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all the conversations happening there.
Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was initially referring to Sanji, who just interrupted Gaban pretty quickly before he called Zoro out.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before. On Gaban's point of view here, he might've thought Zoro could use CoC willingly, and not that he had absolutely no idea that he could use it.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information. Sanji only let it be clear that he wanted Gaban to confirm it to him at the end, when they get offscreened for a while, prior to that, if you try to see it through Gaban's point of view, he can only guess that: Sanji knows he has CoC and that he is making fun of Zoro and Jinbe.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone anyways, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all the conversations happening there.
Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was initially referring to Sanji, who just interrupted Gaban pretty quickly before he called Zoro out.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before. On Gaban's point of view here, he might've thought Zoro could use CoC willingly, and not that he had absolutely no idea that he could use it.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information. Sanji only let it be clear that he wanted Gaban to confirm it to him at the end, when they get offscreened for a while, prior to that, if you try to see it through Gaban's point of view, he can only guess that: Sanji knows he has CoC and that he is making fun of Zoro and Jinbe.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
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Hey guys, i saw a post on X of a guy saying Gaban was talking about Sanji here.
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone as a lesson, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all conversations happening there. Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was talking about Sanji.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone as a lesson, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all conversations happening there. Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was talking about Sanji.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
Riddle me this buckeroo
Gaban saw Zoro fight in the castle and leak haki
Why would he now say "it seems there is another one" after he seems him so injured that he can't even move and Zoro just standing there ?
You can use the complete English language to explain that
Funny thing is it was so obvious even people with rudimentary Japanese beginner skills could read it on the raws that it was ankrher
Gaban saw Zoro fight in the castle and leak haki
Why would he now say "it seems there is another one" after he seems him so injured that he can't even move and Zoro just standing there ?
You can use the complete English language to explain thatFunny thing is it was so obvious even people with rudimentary Japanese beginner skills could read it on the raws that it was ankrher
Hey guys, i saw a post on X of a guy saying Gaban was talking about Sanji here.
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone as a lesson, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all conversations happening there. Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was talking about Sanji.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone as a lesson, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all conversations happening there. Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was talking about Sanji.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
I think he was definitely referring to Zoro especially given the "more than one of you" line
If he already thought both Luffy and Zoro had it why not say something like "more than two of you"?
Also iirc there were two gags similar to this where Sanji asked if he had something that he obviously didn't have at the time but later ended up getting
This seems to be a callback to those gags so I'd like to imagine it's Oda basically saying that his wish will come true very soon
Either way though he's guaranteed to get Conq Haki
Yeah but maybe you have to see it through Gaban's eyes, he isn't part of the crew. When Sanji interrupts him in a very funny way and saying he had the feeling he can use CoC, Gaban might've felt like he was just having his time making fun and laughing at Zoro and stuff, which makes Gaban instantly call Zoro out, which is obvious, Gaban wasn't playing there, he was trying to warn them and give an advice before they go to the Sun World.
When he says "there is more than one of you", he is looking at Zoro and Sanji, even Chopper is looking at them. When he talked to Luffy previously he already knew Luffy could use Conqueror's, that wasn't even a question or a surprise for him, he just drew Luffy's attention to how he should use CoC and tied that to the fact the HKs are not immortal.
When he looks at Zoro and Sanji saying "there is more than one of you", it could imply he knows Zoro can use, he felt it when they almost engaged in battle before. When he told Zoro "you seem quite at ease with it" he was just prising what he felt about Zoro's potential, although he simply didn't expect Zoro to say "I can use it?" lol, he most likely expected Zoro to act like he knew it or to just keep his mouth shut, after all, in this case it wouldn't be a surprise for Zoro if he already had that knowledge.
Which leads to Oda offscreening whatever Gaban told Sanji after that. Because if Gaban denies it, whats the need of offscreening? If Sanji is going to awaken it eventually, whats the point? Perhaps bringing it later through a flashback to make it more impactful in the right moment?
And if Gaban confirms it, it drags down the moment Sanji actually awakens it, because it won't be a surprise for anyone anymore.
If im wrong on this, then i think Gaban told something Sanji could not understand, but that served as a hint. Which explains why Sanji shows up in the next page without feeling bothered by Gaban's response or something similar... Whatever Gaban told Sanji, Sanji didn't seem to care enough, at least thats what he makes the audience think when he shows up again (even if deep down in his mind he might be thinking about it)
When he says "there is more than one of you", he is looking at Zoro and Sanji, even Chopper is looking at them. When he talked to Luffy previously he already knew Luffy could use Conqueror's, that wasn't even a question or a surprise for him, he just drew Luffy's attention to how he should use CoC and tied that to the fact the HKs are not immortal.
When he looks at Zoro and Sanji saying "there is more than one of you", it could imply he knows Zoro can use, he felt it when they almost engaged in battle before. When he told Zoro "you seem quite at ease with it" he was just prising what he felt about Zoro's potential, although he simply didn't expect Zoro to say "I can use it?" lol, he most likely expected Zoro to act like he knew it or to just keep his mouth shut, after all, in this case it wouldn't be a surprise for Zoro if he already had that knowledge.
Which leads to Oda offscreening whatever Gaban told Sanji after that. Because if Gaban denies it, whats the need of offscreening? If Sanji is going to awaken it eventually, whats the point? Perhaps bringing it later through a flashback to make it more impactful in the right moment?
And if Gaban confirms it, it drags down the moment Sanji actually awakens it, because it won't be a surprise for anyone anymore.
If im wrong on this, then i think Gaban told something Sanji could not understand, but that served as a hint. Which explains why Sanji shows up in the next page without feeling bothered by Gaban's response or something similar... Whatever Gaban told Sanji, Sanji didn't seem to care enough, at least thats what he makes the audience think when he shows up again (even if deep down in his mind he might be thinking about it)
Yeah but maybe you have to see it through Gaban's eyes, he isn't part of the crew. When Sanji interrupts him in a very funny way and saying he had the feeling he can use CoC, Gaban might've felt like he was just having his time making fun and laughing at Zoro and stuff, which makes Gaban instantly call Zoro out, which is obvious, Gaban wasn't playing there, he was trying to warn them and give an advice before they go to the Sun World.
When he says "there is more than one of you", he is looking at Zoro and Sanji, even Chopper is looking at them. When he talked to Luffy previously he already knew Luffy could use Conqueror's, that wasn't even a question or a surprise for him, he just drew Luffy's attention to how he should use CoC and tied that to the fact the HKs are not immortal.
When he looks at Zoro and Sanji saying "there is more than one of you", it could imply he knows Zoro can use, he felt it when they almost engaged in battle before. When he told Zoro "you seem quite at ease with it" he was just prising what he felt about Zoro's potential, although he simply didn't expect Zoro to say "I can use it?" lol, he most likely expected Zoro to act like he knew it or to just keep his mouth shut, after all, in this case it wouldn't be a surprise for Zoro if he already had that knowledge.
Which leads to Oda offscreening whatever Gaban told Sanji after that. Because if Gaban denies it, whats the need of offscreening? If Sanji is going to awaken it eventually, whats the point? Perhaps bringing it later through a flashback to make it more impactful in the right moment?
And if Gaban confirms it, it drags down the moment Sanji actually awakens it, because it won't be a surprise for anyone anymore.
If im wrong on this, then i think Gaban told something Sanji could not understand, but that served as a hint. Which explains why Sanji shows up in the next page without feeling bothered by Gaban's response or something similar... Whatever Gaban told Sanji, Sanji didn't seem to care enough, at least thats what he makes the audience think when he shows up again (even if deep down in his mind he might be thinking about it)
When he says "there is more than one of you", he is looking at Zoro and Sanji, even Chopper is looking at them. When he talked to Luffy previously he already knew Luffy could use Conqueror's, that wasn't even a question or a surprise for him, he just drew Luffy's attention to how he should use CoC and tied that to the fact the HKs are not immortal.
When he looks at Zoro and Sanji saying "there is more than one of you", it could imply he knows Zoro can use, he felt it when they almost engaged in battle before. When he told Zoro "you seem quite at ease with it" he was just prising what he felt about Zoro's potential, although he simply didn't expect Zoro to say "I can use it?" lol, he most likely expected Zoro to act like he knew it or to just keep his mouth shut, after all, in this case it wouldn't be a surprise for Zoro if he already had that knowledge.
Which leads to Oda offscreening whatever Gaban told Sanji after that. Because if Gaban denies it, whats the need of offscreening? If Sanji is going to awaken it eventually, whats the point? Perhaps bringing it later through a flashback to make it more impactful in the right moment?
And if Gaban confirms it, it drags down the moment Sanji actually awakens it, because it won't be a surprise for anyone anymore.
If im wrong on this, then i think Gaban told something Sanji could not understand, but that served as a hint. Which explains why Sanji shows up in the next page without feeling bothered by Gaban's response or something similar... Whatever Gaban told Sanji, Sanji didn't seem to care enough, at least thats what he makes the audience think when he shows up again (even if deep down in his mind he might be thinking about it)
So I'll just concede on this
Hey guys, i saw a post on X of a guy saying Gaban was talking about Sanji here.
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone anyways, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all the conversations happening there.
Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was initially referring to Sanji, who just interrupted Gaban pretty quickly before he called Zoro out.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before. On Gaban's point of view here, he might've thought Zoro could use CoC willingly, and not that he had absolutely no idea that he could use it.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information. Sanji only let it be clear that he wanted Gaban to confirm it to him at the end, when they get offscreened for a while, prior to that, if you try to see it through Gaban's point of view, he can only guess that: Sanji knows he has CoC and that he is making fun of Zoro and Jinbe.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
Gaban probably felt Zoro leaking CoC here already, so it was not a surprise for him.
The VIZ version is out to make it easier to understand. Gaban says "there is more than one of you", but what if Gaban was actually talking about Sanji here cuz he knew Zoro already could use it?
Sanji acts like he already had the feeling that he had CoC, so there is no need for Gaban to tell him that. And besides, everything Gaban says to either Luffy, or Zoro, or Sanji himself, is going to be heard by everyone anyways, after all M3 and Chopper are present hearing all the conversations happening there.
Its almost like Oda is trying to make it not be that obvious that Gaban was initially referring to Sanji, who just interrupted Gaban pretty quickly before he called Zoro out.
Notice how the biggest surprise for Gaban is not Zoro using CoC, that Gaban already knew, and he had praised Zoro before. On Gaban's point of view here, he might've thought Zoro could use CoC willingly, and not that he had absolutely no idea that he could use it.
What makes him elaborate more about it is Zoro stating he didn't had a clue he could use CoC, which Gaban considers to be "Unbeliavable"
So to sum it up: Gaban could be actually be referring to Sanji, Zoro just draw his attention because he didn't express any knowledge about the fact he could use CoC.
Not surprisingly Oda left out the conservation between Sanji and Gaban when Sanji asked actually asked him, a bit desperatly, and he seems surprised with the information. Sanji only let it be clear that he wanted Gaban to confirm it to him at the end, when they get offscreened for a while, prior to that, if you try to see it through Gaban's point of view, he can only guess that: Sanji knows he has CoC and that he is making fun of Zoro and Jinbe.
He only comes back in the next page
then again 2 pages after the one above
What do you guys think? Did Oda deliberatly hid that Gaban felt Sanji's Conquerors, even if by a little?
Which makes sense, the foreshadowing is here, but revealing Sanji's CoC like that would be a letdown, right? Im sure everyone expects the actual reveal to happen in a much more meaningful way
It makes sense.
The mistery of what Gyaban said to Sanji remains. Maybe he said he has it but still is dormant, maybe it's blocked (by Sanji's fear of losing control) or who knows what.
By the way it makes sense that Gyaban was really referring to Sanji
Gyaban says: どうやら話王色があるのは一人じゃなさそうだな
that literally should means : " Apparently as for having king's haki does not seems like it's only one person " while watching Zoro and Sanji, knowing already Zoro has it.
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Yeah it really could be that. Gyaban already said that Zoro's king's haki flows without control by the swordsman, so he already knew Zoro has King's haki when they fought. So Gyaban really was referring as "the one more person with king's haki" to Sanji.
It makes sense.
The mistery of what Gyaban said to Sanji remains. Maybe he said he has it but still is dormant, maybe it's blocked (by Sanji's fear of losing control) or who knows what.
By the way it makes sense that Gyaban was really referring to Sanji
Gyaban says: どうやら話王色があるのは一人じゃなさそうだな
that literally should means : " Apparently does not seems like only one person has king's haki " while watching Zoro and Sanji, knowing already Zoro has it.
It makes sense.
The mistery of what Gyaban said to Sanji remains. Maybe he said he has it but still is dormant, maybe it's blocked (by Sanji's fear of losing control) or who knows what.
By the way it makes sense that Gyaban was really referring to Sanji
Gyaban says: どうやら話王色があるのは一人じゃなさそうだな
that literally should means : " Apparently does not seems like only one person has king's haki " while watching Zoro and Sanji, knowing already Zoro has it.
That explains why Gaban's seems to scold Zoro to the point Zoro says sorry lol, because Zoro wasn't aware at all of his own ability when Gaban probably imagined Zoro knew very well about it.
Zero reason for this particular set of panels either side of Loki to be included if Sanji and Gaban's interaction was just supposed to be a gag in this chapter. It started out as one but Oda could have left it there. He didn't. Most obvious flashback bait of all time. First time I am firmly on the side of Sanji getting CoC, Gaban and Sanji's first interaction being about it is too big of a hint.
