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Reborn

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
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Logiko said:
Gatekeeping? I never stopped sharing everything I know...

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This situation didn't happen because of survival. It's a situation of domination created by a power colonizing a land for material interests.




Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.

What Israel is doing is related to colonial / imperialist interest and religious interests. (two material interests).



Technically, yes, I can say this because I'm also physicalist. But yeah, good and evil do not exist.

Only exist ethical and material interests created by our global social world wide material conditions of existences.

Genocide is not bad because it's evil, genocide is bad because it ends lives and prevent people from living and be happy.
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Gate keeping doesn't mean you don't share.

It means narrow interpretations.

For instance, you literally count whom you will consider leftist as per your own world view.

By doing so, you don't just disagree... you invalidate other people views.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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RyoQ said:
I agree it's a material issue in that sense...as many political issues are
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Historical materialism and overall marxism (as a global knowledge) are necessary tools to understand the world in its material reality.

Are there blindspot? Yes. Can we compensate with others tools? Yes (intersectionnality).

But this is what differenciate people idealizing the world VS people who analyzing it under the most rationnal and ethical lens possible.


Reborn said:
Gate keeping doesn't mean you don't share.

It means narrow interpretations.
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I consider the term gatekeeping in its original sense as a relationship of power between someone that holds a knowledge and someone who needs the knowledge.

What you are describing is more alike to tone policing and simple labelling. I don't hold any power over you.


Reborn said:
For instance, you literally count whom you will consider leftist as per your own world view.

By doing so, you don't just disagree... you invalidate other people views.
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For a gatekeeping dynamic to happen, I would need to have access to the power of reduce your agency and access to information.

Me labelling you has nothing to do with gatekeeping, it's me calling out your BS, and you not appreciating that.


RyoQ said:
Not sure how you are differentiating "bad" from evil here. I think creating sorrow and depriving people of their life are two reasons murder/genocide is evil, lol
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Yeah, I agree you can consider this an evil act. As an ethical observation, it works since evil is not used as a sub natural describing entity here but the simple ethical description of human actions.

I usually use the word "bad" as in "we should not do that". Evil is the nature, bad is simply a way to ease the conversation.
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Logiko said:
Historical materialism and overall marxism (as a global knowledge) are necessary tools to understand the world in its material reality.

Are there blindspot? Yes. Can we compensate with others tools? Yes (intersectionnality).

But this is what differenciate people idealizing the world VS people who analyzing it under the most rationnal and ethical lens possible.




I consider the term gatekeeping in its original sense as a relationship of power between someone that holds a knowledge and someone who needs the knowledge.

What you are describing is more alike to tone policing and simple labelling. I don't hold any power over you.




For a gatekeeping dynamic to happen, I would need to have access to the power of reduce your agency and access to information.

Me labelling you has nothing to do with gatekeeping, it's me calling out your BS, and you not appreciating that.



Yeah, I agree you can consider this an evil act. As an ethical observation, it works since evil is not used as a sub natural describing entity here but the simple ethical description of human actions.

I usually use the word "bad" as in "we should not do that". Evil is the nature, bad is simply a way to ease the conversation.
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No I thought U said there is no "good" or "evil", so genocide cannot be objectively evil

you say it is "bad", what bad? Is "bad" a piece of matter somewhere? If everything is matter there is no "bad" just atoms bumping into each other.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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RyoQ said:
No I thought U said there is no "good" or "evil", so genocide cannot be objectively evil

you say it is "bad", what bad? Is "bad" a piece of matter somewhere? If everything is matter there is no "bad" just atoms bumping into each other.
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Bad, in my mouth or words at least, is just an observation of a situation : "It's bad because it's non ethical and horrific"

In a materialistic world, in fact a full physicalist "free will is a myth" kind of world, the reality does not erease this simple principle:

"I think, therefore I am" - If you think, therefore you can distinguish what makes you tick from what makes you wiggle.
 
RyoQ

RyoQ

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Akai2 said:
Sounds like a fun Thursday night with my wife tbh
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I would call that "good" but Logiko may disagree (good and evil ain't real)
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Logiko said:
Bad, in my mouth or words at least, is just an observation of a situation : "It's bad because it's non ethical and horrific"

In a materialistic world, in fact a full physicalist "free will is a myth" kind of world, the reality does not erease this simple principle:

"I think, therefore I am" - If you think, therefore you can distinguish what makes you tick from what makes you wiggle.
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how can you say any situation can be "bad", or "good"? I thought everything is atoms and matter bumping around
 
Logiko

Logiko

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RyoQ said:
how can you say any situation can be "bad", or "good"? I thought everything is atoms and matter bumping around
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Your consciousness and therefore your ethics are a reality.

A natural and product of the material conditions of reproduction < Life < Planets < Stars < Gaz < Galaxies formations < Big Bang


Akai2 said:
We used to post memes about how retarded Kamala Harris is, and how big of a meme Trump is, now we're debating ontological reality of good and evil in the light of materialism.......this is what happens when y'all get sucked into Logiko's pace...we used to be a proper thread :josad:
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Zenos7

Zenos7

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RyoQ said:
what the fuck, Jew is literally calling the right pedophiles for praising Barron, I am merely saying they are not

Blocked for being a semantic idiot with no opinions and whose role in this chat seems to be picking at those who do. I respect Jews unhinged ass takes more than whatever this is
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yes and me chiming in because you arent aware of what the word teenager means doesnt equal to me agreeing wiht anything else jew said on that topic lmao. Not my fault you are an antilogical idiot
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Logiko said:
Materialism is not about matter, that's physicalism. Materialism is a vision that take material condition of existence (religion, possessions, salary, leaving conditions, access to social circles etc.) into account.
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to be fair, outside of politcal context materialism is a philosophical idea about there not being anything that is immaterial, and is very close tied to physicalism. you are using the term in a political context, hence the confusion on RyoQ's part i guess
 
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Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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Personally I understand thinking 18 and 19 is not a teenager, but the argument I heard was that they end in teen, eighteen, nineteen, and that's convincing
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RyoQ said:
I would call that "good" but Logiko may disagree (good and evil ain't real)
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how can you say any situation can be "bad", or "good"? I thought everything is atoms and matter bumping around
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I don't know that Logiko does this himself but the Bible says:




John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
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CoC: Color of Clowns

CoC: Color of Clowns

Be Good, not great
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Germany, Italy, and Japan lost WW2. Not those who funded them, as much of Hitler's war regime was funded by American Business interests (see Bush's granddaddy selling war supplies to them if you want a place to start, then move up to J. P. Morgan and the Business Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot )

The true evil moved to the USA and Isfake, and they've never stopped spreading their terrorism.

 
Mathias

Mathias

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Soon we'll be arrested for eating watermelon :choppawhat:

AL sama said:
this is my most favorite quote by myself

"there's no good there's no evil there's no right there's no wrong there's only one thing and that's point of view"
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Isn't perspectivism usually contradictory with Islam ? How do you manage to find a place for it ?

But with that said, many religious thinkers were into perspectivism. So there is always room for it.
 
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