No. Your sense of self is like an imaginary person seating in front of a movie screen.

It's a machine that is wired - in our case - to observe itself
this analogy only works if what we call self-reflection is a material process which can be found in the brain

it's not, since it involves immaterial actions such as thinking about concepts, choosing between thoughts (which involves the will, also something immaterial), etc.
 

Rej

Holy Simp
fair

then your quote really sounded confusing, or it was standing without context lol

now I am asking this really out of curiosity, just so we get to know each other better lol, to what kind of persons do you think accumulation is not a good thing?
I am asking because from my philosophical standpoint, accumulation is equal to the meaning of life. @AL sama
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I can't put it better than this right now.
 
I'm just curious
According to idealism only conciousness/sujective experience exist. The "physical" would be just a categorical mistake we created because we have the impression that the external objects of our subjective experience should exist beyond our experience
thats more of a very strict type of idealism, idealism generally isnt necessarily about denying the existence of anything physical.

but we still didnt get to your point.
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

warmth of the sun and the cool of the shade
The kind of people that wish they could polish Hitler's boots with their own tongue

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1o19o0k
Thank god they're fighting against all this socialism, it's so dangerous, wow



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maybe the people who make money kidnapping children, who work for people who make money sex-trafficking and killing children, are actually the bad guys?

Thank god that, the people who kidnap children and shoot priests in the eye, are saving us from the Jewish guy, who wants old people to be able to retire, gosh.
 

AL sama

Red Haired
fair

then your quote really sounded confusing, or it was standing without context lol

now I am asking this really out of curiosity, just so we get to know each other better lol, to what kind of persons do you think accumulation is not a good thing?
what do you mean??
 
When you think of a triangle, you grasp the concept of triangulation itself, the definition of a triangle

The mind grasps concepts, a concept can't be contained inside matter by definition. It's immaterial. So actions of the mind that work with concepts (such as self-reflection) can't be reduced to material functions.
 
I'm not making a point tbh, I was just curious to know if you have position in these discussions
im not a fan of philosophy, thats why i said i didnt really care either way. at the end of the day, we dont know. but i have no good reason to believe supernatural claims about consciousness can only come from souls. since that wasnt your point, i jumped to a conclusion based on assumptions, that was my bad.
 
this analogy only works if what we call self-reflection is a material process which can be found in the brain

it's not, since it involves immaterial actions such as thinking about concepts, choosing between thoughts (which involves the will, also something immaterial), etc.
No. It involves material action. That's what you do not take into account. While the materiality of the subjectivity of the sensation can be questionned through the hard problem, the process behind this action is not extra-natural. It's a consequence of material action and consequences. The will, for ex, is a material process. It's not some extra-dimensional quality of human experience coming from nothing.

I remembered this meme lol
lol.

But in reality - all state of consciousness are the result of material process. It's the qualia, the raw feeling, that is questionnable.

It's a vast debate inside the realm of materialism that is already a vast debate.



The kind of people that wish they could polish Hitler's boots with their own tongue
Fuck ICE
Fuck the IDF
Fuck fascists

When you think of a triangle, you grasp the concept of triangulation itself, the definition of a triangle

The mind grasps concepts, a concept can't be contained inside matter by definition. It's immaterial. So actions of the mind that work with concepts (such as self-reflection) can't be reduced to material functions.
A concept is but a projection of a material process, an self-interpretation of reality based on specific parameters. When your brain is wired differently, you interprete reality differently. The material > Creates > The interpretation of the material
 
No. It involves material action. That's what you do not take into account. While the materiality of the subjectivity of the sensation can be questionned through the hard problem, the process behind this action is not extra-natural. It's a consequence of material action and consequences. The will, for ex, is a material process. It's not some extra-dimensional quality of human experience coming from nothing.
I agree, it does involve materiality. But it is above materiality because it pulls forms from matter

Brain -> 5 senses, fires neurons, stores memory, etc.

Mind -> receives info from brain to form concepts, uses concepts to engage in self-reflection
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Because materialism is false, there exists form + matter, brain interacts with matter, the mind or self-reflective part of consciousness interacts with the form of matter during thinking/self reflection
 

CoC: Color of Clowns

warmth of the sun and the cool of the shade
LOL CNN censoring the fascism out



The law is like children to them:

They'll twist the law into whatever they want it to be.

Pathetic sycophants censoring truth to suck up to authority.

If we found out CNN and FOX were communing with Goebbels in hell to get tips on how to lie to the public, I would not be surprised.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
this is my most favorite quote by myself

"there's no good there's no evil there's no right there's no wrong there's only one thing and that's point of view"
:choppawhat:

So a mentally ill sociopath killing his wife and 2 children and then killing himself is not evil/wrong, but just a "perspective"?

What about the torturing and abuse cartells in South Korea? What is their perspective?

What about a capable person saving someone's life after a heart attack? Isn't that "good" as per definition?
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What AL is saying here I think, he is subjectively practicing "Null Philosophy" and he thinks it's the absolute perspective.
Perspectivism doesn't equate to relativism.

In nature there might not be good or bad, but in one's perspective, there is.

It doesn't mean you have to join a drug cartel
I think it's partially true.

One can say there is no good or bad.

One can argue outside events aren't inherently good or bad...its our perception which add meaning to the outside events.

As perception of everyone differs based on experience, conscience, culture and so on...so, does the meaning they attach to outside events. Thus, one can say there isn't anything good or bad.... right or wrong.


However, I do feel this is partially true. There are certain things which can be argued are inherently wrong....like genocides or inherently good.
 
However, I do feel this is partially true. There are certain things which can be argued are inherently wrong....like genocides or inherently good.
if what illogiko says about materialism is true, there can be really no ethics or morals at all to begin with so nothing can be argued as inherently evil. AKA you could justify anything
 
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